Should Flozell be benched as well?

[Maikeru-sama]

I think we got a pretty good idea of what the line is like when Flozell is out of the lineup last year.

No thanks

If the Offensive line is struggling with him are you guys really that anxious to find out what it would look like without him.

At some point you have to start pointing the flashlight at the Offensive Line Coach.

I really believe we have talent on this line, I just think it has something to do with the Coaching.

I still think one of the biggest mistakes we made was not going after Alex Gibbs, the OL Coach from Denver who went to Atlanta 2 years ago.

- Mike G.

 

[Doomsday101]

So then you are saying that Flo was the primary reason or not?

He was a reason a long with others, what is your deal with primary reason? several guys screwed up McBriar screwed up he was part of the reason, Bledsoe screwed up he was part of the reason and the fact the line could not handle the blitz was a reason, defense giving up big plays was a reason. Primary reason!! the Dallas Cowboys made too many mistakes and that was the primary reason we lost.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He was a reason a long with others, what is your deal with primary reason? several guys screwed up McBriar screwed up he was part of the reason, Bledsoe screwed up he was part of the reason and the fact the line could not handle the blitz was a reason, defense giving up big plays was a reason. Primary reason!! the Dallas Cowboys made too many mistakes and that was the primary reason we lost.

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My deal is how you responded to my initial post. You implied things I never said. That's my deal.

 

[dfense]

I would give Bledsoe one more performance like the last game before I turn to Romo, but I am wondering why all the focus is on him.

Flozell has been equally bad (if not worse), yet no one is screaming for McQuistan to be put in there. His missed block caused the first fumble and he was responsible for at least one other sack as well as a a couple of qb pressures.

Why is Flozell getting a pass? Just because he coming off of knee surgery or haven't we seen enough of McQuistan like we have of Romo.

Actually, both guards had much more blown assignments. Rivera gave up several sacks. They would double team with the tackle and let the stunting Eagle come through untouched. The scheme killed them early on and they didn't adjust very well. Putting Bledsoe in the shotgun would have helped.

 

[Doomsday101]

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My deal is how you responded to my initial post. You implied things I never said. That's my deal.

My response was that Flo was guilty of playing poorly then you start up with Oh so you think he was the primary reason? which I never said. Flo had a rough game as did many I never said Flo was the reason we lost he was part of the reason along with others and no I would not bench him or any other player off of this game.

 

[iceberg]

this is truly amazing. back when flo got hurt and we fell apart last year, it was "all on flo". i ran around like a chicken with my head cut off saying "flo was *never* our goldenboy or anchor on the line, how did he get here *now*?" but i was told to hush, he's fine, look at the field man! and whatever excuse people could lob up for bad play from flo.

we'll get flo back and our line will be fine!!! was the common battlecry. well, except from me where i said he's been average to above average his career and he's *never* been the guy we can't do w/o on our line. if we're in that position we've got more problems than we will let ourselves see.

now it's bag on flo time and i'll stand by my "he's average to above average" but can't carry the line like a larry allen can. uh, could. until we have that dominate anchor back and/or a much more mobile qb - we're going to have games like this 3-5 times a year. period.

flo isn't our "problem" - the problem is our line sucks and people unrealistically expected more from flo than he could deliver.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

My response was that Flo was guilty of playing poorly then you start up with Oh so you think he was the primary reason? which I never said. Flo had a rough game as did many I never said Flo was the reason we lost he was part of the reason along with others and no I would not bench him or any other player off of this game.

Well, now we're just in a pissing match.

Let me just say this very clearly. I never said Adams had a good game. I have been very outspoken from day one that I did not believe Adams was the answer at LT. I said that while Adams did not play well, I didn't believe he was the real issue. I guess I just don't see what the real problem with any of this is. Yet, apparently there is one. OK, that's fine. You don't agree, OK. I can live with that. You do agree, that's OK too. I never asked anybody to be benched. This sounds as if your trying to imply that this was part of my point. You see where I'm going here?

 

[iceberg]

Well, now we're just in a pissing match.

Let me just say this very clearly. I never said Adams had a good game. I have been very outspoken from day one that I did not believe Adams was the answer at LT. I said that while Adams did not play well, I didn't believe he was the real issue. I guess I just don't see what the real problem with any of this is. Yet, apparently there is one. OK, that's fine. You don't agree, OK. I can live with that. You do agree, that's OK too. I never asked anybody to be benched. This sounds as if your trying to imply that this was part of my point. You see where I'm going here?

some people read one thing and their assumption of what it meant is their driving force there-after. i go with it but can adjust to the conversation. so go figure.

while i don't think flo is our anchor or "stud" on the OL, the fact is we don't have one. his being one of our top lineman isn't a validation of him in as much of a condemnation of the talent on our line. should we bench him?

hell no.

but we shouldn't rally around him either as if a healthy flo is all our line needed.

the extremes people must live in.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

some people read one thing and their assumption of what it meant is their driving force there-after. i go with it but can adjust to the conversation. so go figure.

while i don't think flo is our anchor or "stud" on the OL, the fact is we don't have one. his being one of our top lineman isn't a validation of him in as much of a condemnation of the talent on our line. should we bench him?

hell no.

but we shouldn't rally around him either as if a healthy flo is all our line needed.

the extremes people must live in.

That, to me, is the saddest piece of this whole thing. I have always had an axe to grind over Adams. I admit this because anybody who reads my posts can see it. It's true, I just never really liked the fact that we signed him to what we did, long term. That's just me.

I really hate the fact that he is the big dog on our OL. For my money, Gurode has been the best OL this season, thus far. I hope these guys come together because if they don't play exceptional football, I think we see the same Drew Bledsoe we saw yesterday over and over. It's not fair to them but it is what it is. They have to play outstanding football for us to have a chance to be succesful this year.

 

[Rack]

Wow, this is completely incorrect. In a blitz right up the middle, the job of the 3 technique, is to engage the Guard with gap responsability and tie him. If you can pinch, that's fine but typically what happens is that if you reach to try and pinch on the overload, the angle is bad and the DT is going to run you over because he too is shooting the opposite gap or bull rushing the Guard heads up. It's a question of balance. In that situation, the RB or TE has to pick up the blitz. I agree that the LT has to pinch down but they also have to check the OLB and or the safety. It's not as simple as just pinching down on the DT. If you re read my post, I acknowledge the fact that I saw two negative plays by Adams right off the top of my head. However, the issue with our pass protection, from what I was was the fact that the Eagles used multiple rushers to shoot the 1/2 gap to create pressure right up the middle. That is not the responsability of the OT.

Did I even watch the game? Don't be jackass Rack. You know better then that.

You've just proven to me, and everyone else, how little you know about football.


Again, you block from the inside-out, not vice versa.


By what you're saying, Adams blocked the correct man, it was Kosier that missed Walker. Ok, who blocks the blitzer on Kosier's inside shoulder then? Gurode? Gurode had a guy RIGHT OVER him. The RB? There's no way a RB can get to a blitzer in the A gap before the blitzer gets to the QB. Period.


Adams screwed up there and you knew a thing about football or at least listened to BP's press conference yesterday you'd know that.


And me calling you out for your complete ignorance on the matter isn't being a jackass. It's not my fault you're clueless.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You've just proven to me, and everyone else, how little you know about football.


Again, you block from the inside-out, not vice versa.


By what you're saying, Adams blocked the correct man, it was Kosier that missed Walker. Ok, who blocks the blitzer on Kosier's inside shoulder then? Gurode? Gurode had a guy RIGHT OVER him. The RB? There's no way a RB can get to a blitzer in the A gap before the blitzer gets to the QB. Period.


Adams screwed up there and you knew a thing about football or at least listened to BP's press conference yesterday you'd know that.


And me calling you out for your complete ignorance on the matter isn't being a jackass. It's not my fault you're clueless.

And you've just proven to everybody that you can not read. My statement was the technique employeed on the defensive side of the ball when the blitz is a 1 or 2 gap by multiple blitzers, which is exactly what Philly did Sunday.

If it pleases you to say that I don't know anything about football, that's fine. If it pleases you to make a show of this on the board, I'm fine with that too.

However, lets not forget that I know you. I've known you since before you ever got here. I am confident in my knowledge of the game and yours. You can say what you want but I know who I'm dealing with. Please don't take it personal if I don't show the adequate amount of fear here.

 

[Stautner]

And you've just proven to everybody that you can not read. My statement was the technique employeed on the defensive side of the ball when the blitz is a 1 or 2 gap by multiple blitzers, which is exactly what Philly did Sunday.

If it pleases you to say that I don't know anything about football, that's fine. If it pleases you to make a show of this on the board, I'm fine with that too.

However, lets not forget that I know you. I've known you since before you ever got here. I am confident in my knowledge of the game and yours. You can say what you want but I know who I'm dealing with. Please don't take it personal if I don't show the adequate amount of fear here.

Wow - are you guys going to have a fight in the alley?

Give me time to spread the word so we can all come watch.

 

[Rampage]

put the rookie in!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Wow - are you guys going to have a fight in the alley?

Give me time to spread the word so we can all come watch.

Knock yourself out there Ernie.

 

[Stautner]

Knock yourself out there Ernie.

Cool - maybe I can make some extra cash selling popcorn.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Cool - maybe I can make some extra cash selling popcorn.

Well, if you need the extra cash, feel free. Far be it from me to stand in the way of free enterprise.

 

[dallasfan31]

nope flo should still start.

 

[Rack]

Cool - maybe I can make some extra cash selling popcorn.

The cowboys nation has an over abundance of popcorn as it is.


And it's all getting stale waiting for TO to do something.

 

[burmafrd]

Flo last year was playing very well- this years edition is nowhere near as good. Whether its his knee or poor conditioning, rust, whatever he is nowhere near as good as he was last year.

 

[Hoov]

Flo last year was playing very well- this years edition is nowhere near as good. Whether its his knee or poor conditioning, rust, whatever he is nowhere near as good as he was last year.

well its upsetting that he made the wrong decision 3 times, and it was the same mistake evry time. that has nothing to do with physical conditioning.

As far as benching Flo, i wouldnt do that yet, Mcquistin is raw. The arguement for benching bledose stems more from the fact that people think are wr's are so good that if we get romo in there who can run from pressure, the wr have time to get open and at least get a pass thrown their way.