Twitter: Should Philbin be on hot seat?

[ESisback]

Just how big is that hot seat? Need to fit quite a few butts on it in Dallas.

Large enough to accommodate cheeks the size of truck tires? They’re a bit cheeky in Big D…

 

[_sturt_]

LOL,, it's a freaking forum for OPINiONS... whether right or wrong, good or bad.....there are no charges being pressed in a court of law or public lynching with burning at the stake being done here. Of course, we have no facts. Only history has provided us the facts to form an opinion. ALL teams should have coaches and staff who are held accountable for duties that are their responsibility. Its ok if you feel he should not be held accountable, but that has been the problem with this FO for the past almost three decades now.

Right.

No argument.

So, riddle me this... is it okay that I have an opinion on this topic then?

And okay with you, then, if I support that opinion in a way that seems saturated with reason?

Does it offend you that the opinion is difficult to argue against, or just frustrated?

 

[kumizi]

The guy before him was given three first round picks and a second round talent to work with.

Those three got old (one retired) and Philbin was given Connor McGovern and Thler Biadasz to work with.

No **** the offensive line is getting worse. Maybe Philbin sucks but it’s not really a fair comparison to him.

 

[xwalker]

Not now, but he will be if Tyler Smith does not start this season.

He developed udfa Steele into a starter.

He developed Biadasz into a low level starter at OC which is a much as can be expected based on pre-draft projections for Biadasz.

He had Knight playing playing better than Steele in 2020.

Connor Williams was maxed out and drafted before Philbin arrived.

Connor McGovern is the one player I thought Philbin might be able to 'coach up'.

 

[xwalker]

??? Watch the videos posted. Read the scouting reports. It’s front and center.

Not a single knock on him for physical talent, it’s all bad technique.

It’s also why everyone wants to play him at guard. It won’t be as exposed as him out on the edge.

Penning's technique was not much better than Smith's.

Penning got worked over at the Senior Bowl 1-on-1 drills by day 3 edge rushers because of his lack of proper technique.

Matt Waletzko looked better than Penning in those drills against the same defenders.

If Green had played only LT in college, people would say that he needs to work on technique.

 

[RonnieT24]

Not a huge fan of Philbin but that’s unfair. He got the tailend of Tyron and Zack’s careers. Frederick is long gone. LC was already in undisciplined millionaire mode. What new talent did Philbin get? Steele and Biadasz, and one could argue he has done exceptionally well for that talent he was given and made it work. This is his first prime talent coming in with Smith.

Again, I don’t think Philbin is a masterful Oline coach, but I do think people aren’t realizing that the line we knew is gone. We’re in the last days. Already blew it, never did anything with it, including Zeke, and have to rebuild. Whether Jerry thanks big Mac, Philbin and team are the right ones to do that, who knows. I think Jerry is just hoping this offense can do one last hurrah. Except for Tank and LVE, we’ve already given up and started rebuilding that Defense and no more Hot Boyz leftovers. Justifiably holding onto the offense a little longer because that was some damn good talent and running game at one point. All good things come to an end though. Last thing will be to see if Dak deserves to move on with the offense.

If you say I am being unfair.. then fine. If Philbin is not to blame for all the plays where several guys on the line blocked absolutely no one then who is? And I disagree that Tyron and Zack on the tail end. Maybe Tyron is on the down side but he is still top 5 at his position when healthy. Same for Zack Martin. Both guys had to play while physically compromised because Ball, Farniok, Knight, McGovern and whomever else has been brought in under Philbin's watch have either been exposed as no better than emergency rotational players or complete no-shows. Steele is the ONLY one who has actually gotten better. The rest have gone backwards. Teams with far less talent up front figure out how to run the ball .. and how to not allow free runners into the backfield nearly every snap. That's on Philbin and Moore 100% IMHO. And they need to fix it.

 

[Loso86]

He developed Steele, if I'm not mistaken CW was here before him and biadisz isn't..horrible to say the least

 

[_sturt_]

He developed Steele

To a point made, or at least attempted... we know the player was revered last off-season for his weight room work... we know he answered the bell when his name was penciled-in as a starter... what we know about his position coach is that, at one time, he was well-regarded enough that someone thought he might be a good head coach, and that the current head coach's opinion of him is high.

That's what we know. Know.

What we don't know... because we can't know is how much credit the player deserves and how much credit the coach deserves.

Same shoe, other foot... what we can't know about a given player who didn't impress is how much discredit the player deserves and how much discredit the coach deserves.

As someone has suggested, of course, it's all good and well to speculate. It's America. It's CowboysZone. You're allowed, and no one should prevent you. This, after all, only has entertainment value. It isn't like it's somehow a staple of one's psychological health to be able to claim to be able to assess what cannot be credibly assessed.

The theme of my argument is, essentially, the best threads are those where we fans have actual insight, as opposed to those where we are shrouded from insight and, rather, are mostly left to leaps of assumption.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Just how big is that hot seat? Need to fit quite a few butts on it in Dallas.

Its actually a whole bus

 

[erod]

I actually think Philbin has done a good job.

He can't make Connor Williams good or keep La'el Collins away from Krispy Kremes. He didn't make Tyron or Zack the beasts they are, nor did they need him, too.

Steele has improved, and he's working to maximize Biadasz, who just got here.

Coaching is more about drafting than actual player development. You can't make chicken salad out of Pat McQuistan.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Thats debatable.

They used a 4th and a 5th to get him.

He started one season and was bad for half of it.

The way this team is run they need mid round picks to be solid starters.

I like him, was all for dealing up for him, and I root for him hard, but I also think his struggles (seemingly out of nowhere) were a big part of the offense heading south.

I'm not sure if we need an upgrade or more consistency out of him, but one of the two is in order and I guess we will find out in camp.

Um..............that is way off. He started 4 games his rookie year not half the season and held up well considering he was coming off an injured year in college. If your going to hammer a guy at least get your information straight.

The Cowboys offense was steamrolling teams the first half of last season with Biadasz at center had a 4 or 5 game stretch where they were averaging nearly 200 yards rushing per game. Then the line fell apart. It fell apart because Smith got hurt, Collins came back and Mcgovern replaced Williams. So its easy to see it wasnt Biadasz.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I actually think Philbin has done a good job.

He can't make Connor Williams good or keep La'el Collins away from Krispy Kremes. He didn't make Tyron or Zack the beasts they are, nor did they need him, too.

Steele has improved, and he's working to maximize Biadasz, who just got here.

Coaching is more about drafting than actual player development. You can't make chicken salad out of Pat McQuistan.

 

[fivetwos]

Um..............that is way off. He started 4 games his rookie year not half the season and held up well considering he was coming off an injured year in college. If your going to hammer a guy at least get your information straight.

The Cowboys offense was steamrolling teams the first half of last season with Biadasz at center had a 4 or 5 game stretch where they were averaging nearly 200 yards rushing per game. Then the line fell apart. It fell apart because Smith got hurt, Collins came back and Mcgovern replaced Williams. So its easy to see it wasnt Biadasz.

The second half of the entire post acknowledges what you're blasting me for.

On the rest, my fault. It was one season and a few games.

Look back at my posts if you're so inclined. I defended him early last year when dozens of people around here wanted him gone because they claim he couldn't snap accurately, which was not true.

His pass blocking was above average and his run blocking was bordering on elite.

I said his play dropped out of nowhere and so did the offense....at the same time.

That implies he played well at some point....which he certainly did.

So I'll stand by what I said and say again that I'm not sure if we need to replace him or we need more consistency because he got slapped around after Minnesota.

Maybe he felt like he had to keep an eye on McGovern. Not really sure.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The second half of the entire post acknowledges what you're blasting me for.

On the rest, my fault. It was one season and a few games.

Look back at my posts if you're so inclined. I defended him early last year when dozens of people around here wanted him gone because they claim he couldn't snap accurately, which was not true.

His pass blocking was above average and his run blocking was bordering on elite.

I said his play dropped out of nowhere and so did the offense....at the same time.

That implies he played well at some point....which he certainly did.

So I'll stand by what I said and say again that I'm not sure if we need to replace him or we need more consistency because he got slapped around after Minnesota.

Maybe he felt like he had to keep an eye on McGovern. Not really sure.

We will know this year if he is the Center of the future. His play was solid for a young guy, but still has a lot to prove.

 

[starfan1]

The line was at its best 2014-18 and I’ll say 2016 was unstoppable. I think the loss of Leary the demise of Tfred and Callahan leaving all played a role and of course injuries .

now even with that said it’s not chopped liver . Do I think Phillbin should be on the hot seat ? Not anymore than some of the other coaches. Moore’s seat should just as hot if not hotter.

 

[fivetwos]

We will know this year if he is the Center of the future. His play was solid for a young guy, but still has a lot to prove.

Yeah man. You and I are on the same page for the most part on all topics.

There's others around here to argue with my friend. I'm not on that list lol.

 

[ESisback]

Nowdays it seems like the priority is the individual validating their own opinion, NOT the success of the team—even more so on the CZ. The entitled fans of America’s Team are generally more reactionary, because they take the most venom from fans of other teams.

JMO…

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah man. You and I are on the same page for the most part on all topics.

There's others around here to argue with my friend. I'm not on that list lol.

I just wanted to correct the record that he only played 4 games.

 

[VaqueroTD]

If you say I am being unfair.. then fine. If Philbin is not to blame for all the plays where several guys on the line blocked absolutely no one then who is? And I disagree that Tyron and Zack on the tail end. Maybe Tyron is on the down side but he is still top 5 at his position when healthy. Same for Zack Martin. Both guys had to play while physically compromised because Ball, Farniok, Knight, McGovern and whomever else has been brought in under Philbin's watch have either been exposed as no better than emergency rotational players or complete no-shows. Steele is the ONLY one who has actually gotten better. The rest have gone backwards. Teams with far less talent up front figure out how to run the ball .. and how to not allow free runners into the backfield nearly every snap. That's on Philbin and Moore 100% IMHO. And they need to fix it.

You get what you pay for. We haven’t brought any WOW talent to the line in a while, so again, not saying Philbin is a great Oline coach, but I don’t think anyone would be tearing it up with our recent personnel issues. Yes you have lines with some talent issues and the offense is still performing, but most of these teams like the Bengals have QBs who are HOF talent. We have Dak. Cowboys need a HC/GM who understand starters and rotations. We have a RB who doesn’t get stopped in the backfield every down, his name is Tony Pollard and he still can’t get enough snaps. We also had an offensive line that had a good rhythm until we got cute and moved Steele and LC around, thought we could play with the Connors, and meanwhile Tyron is going down every other quarter. The only thing we agree on is yes, Moore and Philbin need to fix that $@#! fast. It was a good running game and offensive line the first half of the season. I would hope there’s some chance to get it back, my heart says yes, but my mind says no, our offense is going to need the same complete rebuild as the defense.

 

[FVSTONE]

Bring back Marc Colombo, he has that nastiness that can be taught to the offensive line...............