Should the Cowboys stop doing 2nd contracts for its players?

[shabazz]

No ....... someone else just needs to decide who gets second contracts.

Jerry and Son are just bad at it.

Spot on.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Mike Fisher made a good point of the Cowboys not doing 2nd contract, but retooling, after their rookie deal is up, and get more players. Maybe you even trade them before their rookie deal is up.. Doesn't sound like a bad idea, probably not the most realistic, but we love to keep our drafted guys and pay them accordingly. To avoid these big deals, why not do this?? Please give your thoughts

that's stupid. mike fisher is stupid.

you get 4 years with a player.
so every 4 years you have to totally retool. essentially draft the same position every three years unless you want to start a bunch of rookies.
that would also mean that we have to hit on draft picks 100% of the time in every round every year.

that's asinine.

how do other teams hand out 2nd contracts and succeed? its the freaking GM who doesn't know who to resign when.

 

[sunalsorises]

No ....... someone else just needs to decide who gets second contracts.

Jerry and Son are just bad at it.

I agree but how much input did Quinn have in signing Diggs? Garrett had input into signing Zeke. Did McCarthy have any input into Dak's third contract? I guess my point is, these coaches are gone (McCarthy will be soon) and the players with their bad contracts remain. Who is helping decide?

 

[Creeper]

The problem is, the Cowboys unwillingness to dip into free agency for quality players prevents them for letting their own players go after their rookie deals. They cannot draft enough quality players in 4 years before they start losing players to free agency. They keep trying this and it never works. For one thing, every once in a while they will draft a Mazi, or Taco in the first round. And every subsequent round they will draft more Kelvin Josephs and Luke Schoonmakers than Sean Lees. The 3rd round will get them 3 Neville Gallimores for every Osa Odighizuwa.

Of course there are times when signing a player makes no sense financially. I would not have given CeeDee $34 million. I would not have given Dak $60 million. In CeeDee's case I would rather spread my WR money around for 3 good WRs than to have 1 great one and then a bunch of Jalen Brookses. In Dak's case, to put it bluntly, he has never earned that kind of money in any year he has played. And this year he is playing like a $30 million QB.

It is a matter of risk and reward. In CeeDee's case I would expect him to have a really good year but is it really good enough to put my team in contention? The team needs more.

In Dak's case, there was never a chanced he would play like a $60 million QB so the risk was enormous while the possibility of reward is infinitesimal. A team needs 22 good player, not 3 or 4. Jerry has been stupid about how he spend his CAP dollars.

 

[zrinkill]

I agree but how much input did Quinn have in signing Diggs? Garrett had input into signing Zeke. Did McCarthy have any input into Dak's third contract? I guess my point is, these coaches are gone (McCarthy will be soon) and the players with their bad contracts remain. Who is helping decide?

I do not thinks Diggs is a bad contract ........ I think Diggs is a ball hawk and would be great if we had any kind of pass rush .....

 

[Coogiguy03]

How about not signing guys to extensions when they are coming off serious injuries.

it's a clause in the cowboys bill of rights to do this!!!!

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

No, because it’s a necessary to supplement a team that is not active in free agency. If you’re trading the best players for more picks, you’d have 150m$ in cap space

 

[Cmac]

Tyler Smith Jake Ferguson Overshown lets hopefully see the old Bland after injury Parsons ….Beebe & hopefully Guyton keep developing . I see Tolbert developing into a reliable outlet . I mean you can’t make a blanket statement “ don’t offer second contracts “ that’s Fisher , he squawks for clicks .

Look no further than Philly . Lane Johnson Jason Kelce Davonta Smith Dallas Goedert Brandon Graham Fletcher Cox Landon Dickerson among others who have spent entire careers as Eagles who contend yearly . If you never second contract guys heck your constantly rebuilding

Jerry fails continually knowing the Fan Base will buy into "It's this guy's fault" smokescreen. From scouting, draft room, free agency, coaching, and roster decisions........We belong in the XFL with this version of a team.

 

[conner01]

Mike Fisher made a good point of the Cowboys not doing 2nd contract, but retooling, after their rookie deal is up, and get more players. Maybe you even trade them before their rookie deal is up.. Doesn't sound like a bad idea, probably not the most realistic, but we love to keep our drafted guys and pay them accordingly. To avoid these big deals, why not do this?? Please give your thoughts

You can’t not give second contracts but you have to pick and choose who you give second contracts. And you have to plan ahead so the guys you aren’t then you trade them before for extra picks. My biggest frustration with Jerry is there’s no plan. If you were gonna extend Dak then why not get lamb done sooner when it would have been cheaper? Why did you not look at the fact you would be starting 2 rookies on the oline and see you needed better talent at RB so you could run the ball and help protect your rookies? Nothing works if you just wing it every year. You need a plan for every off season and a couple years ahead of the decisions you plan on making.

 

[sunalsorises]

I do not thinks Diggs is a bad contract ........ I think Diggs is a ball hawk and would be great if we had any kind of pass rush .....

That's kind of my point. Dan Quinn manufactured a pass rush so Diggs could thrive and earn a second contract. Bring in a new coach that does not generate a pass rush, for whatever reason, and Diggs is no longer as effective. Dallas hasn't got the coaching correct in a very long time.

 

[DallasEast]

Or you can simply make them the highest paid player in the HISTORY of the NFL twice

Fixed.

 

[jazzcat22]

If you have no intention of resigning a talented player, then trade them.

Jerry is in love with Comp Picks for some reason. A comp pick comes a year after they left your team, which makes a late 3rd(basically an early 4th), a late 4th or basically an early 5th.

So at best in reality you get an early 5th round value in return.

Someone needs to educate Jerry that comp picks are not going to get us to the promise land.

Because he thinks he will find the next QB with one. Instead of investing a 1st round pick in one.
He got a FA QB then a 4th round comp pick, which as you said is really a 5th round pick.
I don't think they selected a QB any higher than a 4th round, which I think was McGhee. Not since Aikman and did Jerry forget what he did for the team.

 

[jazzcat22]

Mike Fisher made a good point of the Cowboys not doing 2nd contract, but retooling, after their rookie deal is up, and get more players. Maybe you even trade them before their rookie deal is up.. Doesn't sound like a bad idea, probably not the most realistic, but we love to keep our drafted guys and pay them accordingly. To avoid these big deals, why not do this?? Please give your thoughts

Then you will never win anything. You have to give some players 2nd contracts. They just do not know how to manage the cap. They never have.

Fisher must read on here, how many fans want to trade or dump the better players, never give a big contract. But yet the same ones scream to sign high profile FA's. Guess what, those cost as much as a 2nd contract. Same as trading for a top player, they to, come with big contracts.

Fickle Fans.

 

[Cmac]

I'd also go with Return Tours.....like bringing back players like Zeke (RB2), who is routinely bashed or when JWitten (TE1) returned, who is routinely lauded for leadership. Here come the responses.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Mike Fisher made a good point of the Cowboys not doing 2nd contract, but retooling, after their rookie deal is up, and get more players. Maybe you even trade them before their rookie deal is up.. Doesn't sound like a bad idea, probably not the most realistic, but we love to keep our drafted guys and pay them accordingly. To avoid these big deals, why not do this?? Please give your thoughts

If you are not going to make trades and cash in the players for draft picks, I don't see how that could work. Our problem is that we re-sign everybody we can and trade nobody. Some positions are harder to replace than others. I have no problem re-signing guys like Tyron Smith and Zach Martin to second contracts . I do have a problem re-signing guys like Zeke and CD to second contracts b/c those positions are easy to replace in the draft. Rbs are basically plug and play and wrs are not too far behind. You don't need the highest paid rb or wr to win in the league. Our FO gets emotionally attached to certain players and the players take full advantage.

 

[Verdict]

I’ve pretty much been saying this for quite some time. You have to be very selective about giving out second contracts and even more selective about third contracts.

If you are not going to fish in the free agency pond you have to supplement your draft with extra draft picks.

We have paid massively for a player like Zack Martin. He’s been a great player but we could have let him walk for a third in free agency or traded him in year 4 of his rookie deal for probably a first round pick.

We woukd have saved tens of millions on that one player and should have been able to find an acceptable substitute for the pick we received by trading him. In reality it’s very hard to justify paying a guard a mega deal. They are just not worth it on their second contract.

We are vastly overpaying for past results instead of future performance.

 

[Coogiguy03]

I’ve pretty much been saying this for quite some time. You have to be very selective about giving out second contracts and even more selective about third contracts.

If you are not going to fish in the free agency pond you have to supplement your draft with extra draft picks.

We have paid massively for a player like Zack Martin. He’s been a great player but we could have let him walk for a third in free agency or traded him in year 4 of his rookie deal for probably a first round pick.

We woukd have saved tens of millions on that one player and should have been able to find an acceptable substitute for the pick we received by trading him. In reality it’s very hard to justify paying a guard a mega deal. They are just not worth it on their second contract.

We are vastly overpaying for past results instead of future performance.

So true

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

If the right people are evaluating the players (and the player is playing lights out), I don't see anything wrong with a rookie contract and 1 contract renewal. If the player is getting a second renewal, it better be because the player actually did something worth the second renewal. And I don't mean padding stats. I mean helping get us deep into the playoffs.....

The problem is "We like our guys." We re-signed Dak because "He's such a good guy" Not because he helped get us deep into the playoffs.

 

[Blast From The Past]

Mike Fisher made a good point of the Cowboys not doing 2nd contract, but retooling, after their rookie deal is up, and get more players. Maybe you even trade them before their rookie deal is up.. Doesn't sound like a bad idea, probably not the most realistic, but we love to keep our drafted guys and pay them accordingly. To avoid these big deals, why not do this?? Please give your thoughts

Well you certainly can't pay them after they tear an acl. Pure dumbness that seems to be the norm here.

 

[KJJ]

You can’t treat the NFL like college and allow your players to move on after four years. You have to be able to keep your best players or you’ll never win consistently. It would be virtually impossible to build a great team if you don’t keep cornerstone players. If you don’t extend players, you’ll just be burning tons of money in free agency. You’ll be awarding those players with a second contract. This plan would be ridiculous.