Should we be scared of the Commanders?

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t.o.boys81 said:
All the Commander fans pretty much think that their team is good enough to win it all this year.

it's been that way since the beginning of time...

ok, maybe not THAT long, 3 decades though ;)

but seriously, I respect them, but think they overpay in free agency, and are running their organization the wrong way (a big part of my feeling that way is overpaying in free agency, and sacrificing draft picks in that pursuit), but they swept us last year and solved one of 2 weaknesses, another threat opposite Santana at Wr, although their pass-rush (weakness #2) still leaves alot to be desired, so I gotta respect them, but I don't fear them
 

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jterrell said:
This off-season that have strengthened the offense quite a bit but have not added any real youth because the disdain for draft picks continue.

They have incredibly little depth anywhere.

Actually, their offensive core is very young overall. (These ages have been rounded up)

Portis - 25 - 5 yrs.
Moss - 27 - 6 yrs.
Lloyd - 25 - 4 yrs.
Randle El - 27 - 5 yrs.
Cooley - 24 - 3 yrs.

To be fair........ almost all the players Dallas drafts are 23 or 24 years old on draft day. Portis has been in the league since he was 20!

Ware - 24 - 2 yrs.
Canty - 25 - 2 yrs.
Burnett - 25 - 2 yrs.
Newman - 28 - 4 yrs.
Williams - 26 - 5 yrs.

I see Gibbs' strategy........ he's looking for players that left school early and have been schooled in the NFL and are (in his mind) about to hit their prime.

However, these players come at a premium..... draft picks. The thing is, Washington is hoping all these players will take their game to the next level, but none of those guys have proven anything in this league.

Meanwhile, Dallas drafts more mature players, with just as much upside.

AND

They add just as many free-agents, who are mostly older, but they're proven comodities.

If you combine FA and the draft, Dallas added twice as many players as Washington did, because we kept our draft picks. The odds for improvement are in our favor.

That's why they dont have any depth.
 

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Why to fear the Skins?

1. The coaching staff.

Al Suanders, offenses consitently rank in the top 5 in the NFL.
Greg Williams, and the Skins defense ranked slightly ahead of ours last season, despite having inferior talent.
Heck, even OL coach Joe Bugel has head-coaching experience.
Joe Gibbs, was the motivating force behind their run for the playoffs.

2. The Wide Recievers.

I think they over-paid for ARE and Lloyd, but I think they might pose a problem for us this season. Moss, ARE, and Lloyd are all smurf recievers and these are the type of WR's that Anthony Henry and Roy Williams have trouble with. From what I've seen, Henry can lock-down most physical recivers like a TO, but he'll struggle against quicker recievers like Terry Glenn, Santana Moss, Lloyd, ect.

Why NOT to fear the Skins?

1. Defensive Line

Or lack there of. Luckily, Washington's weakest link, offsets our weakest link (OL). They've been pretty good with smoke and mirrors, but that cant last. If you cant get pressure with the front 4 and you have to blitz to pressure the QB, eventually you'll get exposed and burned.

2. Depth
(Lack of depth)
No depth on the OL, DL, or LB. This WILL be their downfall this season.
 

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Why fear any team ...!

The Eagles are coming fresh out of the basement ...we really don't have the Luxury of fearing any team.

But you'd better believe that we're going to make evry attempt to scratch and bite our way out of that basement like a junmk yard dog!
 

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Injuries are the big x factor. That fact was convincingly demonstrated last year by the Cowboys but our depth should be much better at key positions on both offense and defense this season. The Commanders depth I believe is a key weakness, particularly on defense. I think nothing can be taken for granted and I see them as our toughest competiton in the division but I agree that 'fear' is the wrong word.
 

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The odds of Brunnel making it through a whole season is pretty slim. His past record shows that that very rarely happens. When he goes down, the skins go with him.
 

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M'Kevon said:
Respectful, yes. Wary, yes.

Fearful??? BWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Well said, respect the enemy.

You underestimate the enemy and you are in trouble.
 

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t.o.boys81 said:
Let's look at it this way.

QB: Bledsoe is better than Brunell
RB: Portis is better than Jones
WR: Owens, Glenn, and Crayton are more dangerous than Moss, Randle El, and Lloyd
TE: Witten is better than Cooley

Ok, maybe they have a better running back, but obviously their offense isn't as explosive as ours. Dallas will also have a younger, much more explosive defense as well. Newman, Ware, Spears, Canty, Williams, Carpenter. The Skins don't have this many young, athletic stars.


The homerism in here is blinding at times...

I'll tell ya what Cooley had a great season-- better than Witten IMHO, Witten regressed in his blocking a great deal.

I'll agree with you the RB & WR situation.

But Bledsoe better than Brunell? Come'on give up the koolaid man!

I've never been a Brunell fan but look at the stats... not only was Brunell clearly the better QB last year but over his career it's not even close!

QB rating: Bledsoe 77.3, Brunell 84.1
Td's to picks: Bledsoe 248-198, Brunell 174-102
Completion %: Bledsoe 57.3, Brunell 59.4
Yards per attempt: Bledsoe 6.64, Brunell 6.93
Rushing yards & tds: Bledsoe 736-8, Brunell 2399-15

It's not even close.
 

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The Skins have a well-rounded offense with a nice o-line. The secondary is very good. I'm not big on their d-line or the linebackers.
 

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But Bledsoe does have one stat better than Brunell. He probably leads the league in pats.

Bledsoe takes the snap from center. He looks down field. Pat. Pat. Pat. Pat. Pat.
 

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MichaelWinicki said:
The homerism in here is blinding at times...

I'll tell ya what Cooley had a great season-- better than Witten IMHO, Witten regressed in his blocking a great deal.

I'll agree with you the RB & WR situation.

But Bledsoe better than Brunell? Come'on give up the koolaid man!

I've never been a Brunell fan but look at the stats... not only was Brunell clearly the better QB last year but over his career it's not even close!

QB rating: Bledsoe 77.3, Brunell 84.1
Td's to picks: Bledsoe 248-198, Brunell 174-102
Completion %: Bledsoe 57.3, Brunell 59.4
Yards per attempt: Bledsoe 6.64, Brunell 6.93
Rushing yards & tds: Bledsoe 736-8, Brunell 2399-15

It's not even close.



I could care less about stats, I'll take Blesoe over Brunell any day of the week. To me, it isn't close.....
 

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I seen this pictures from time to time on different post and it just not make any since to me. What does it mean?

It almost seems like it has a XXX kinda contents on it (With the rising up and falling back to limp). But not sure complete.

Anyways back to the issue at handle.

Anyone who the least bit scared of a teams run by Money grub Snyder and Holyer than thou Gibbs and stocked up to the brim with thieves liers cheats drunkardlies fondlers fore flushers spitters perverters cross dressers (Portis) heathens rock smokers and posts an open invites welcome to the Deadskins sign begging at all types of degenerits to join they squads might as well turn in your Cowboy fan card in at the front desk right nows.

I aint not the least bit worried on anything coming outta DC wearing burgundie and gold!

The Cowboys mean CLass the Deadskins smells like unwashed ***.

Believes that!
 

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leotisbrown said:
I seen this pictures from time to time on different post and it just not make any since to me. What does it mean?
Hitting the nail on the head. :hammer:
 

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cowboyuptx said:
Actually, their offensive core is very young overall. (These ages have been rounded up)

Portis - 25 - 5 yrs.
Moss - 27 - 6 yrs.
Lloyd - 25 - 4 yrs.
Randle El - 27 - 5 yrs.
Cooley - 24 - 3 yrs.

To be fair........ almost all the players Dallas drafts are 23 or 24 years old on draft day. Portis has been in the league since he was 20!

Ware - 24 - 2 yrs.
Canty - 25 - 2 yrs.
Burnett - 25 - 2 yrs.
Newman - 28 - 4 yrs.
Williams - 26 - 5 yrs.

I see Gibbs' strategy........ he's looking for players that left school early and have been schooled in the NFL and are (in his mind) about to hit their prime.

However, these players come at a premium..... draft picks. The thing is, Washington is hoping all these players will take their game to the next level, but none of those guys have proven anything in this league.

Meanwhile, Dallas drafts more mature players, with just as much upside.

AND

They add just as many free-agents, who are mostly older, but they're proven comodities.

If you combine FA and the draft, Dallas added twice as many players as Washington did, because we kept our draft picks. The odds for improvement are in our favor.

That's why they dont have any depth.

I agree you are reading Gibbs plan well.

I did not say they were an old team. I did not mention core at all becasue Gibbs can not be trusted with the concept(he was calling Smoots and others core Redksins just before letting them walk in free agency) and mor eimportnantly because that wasn't my point:) I said they did not add much young talent. They added 2 WRs in the middle of their NFL careers. Lloyd, Portis and a few others were very young when drafted. As was Julius Jones for instance. Doesn't make much difference because NFL players have shelf lives revolving as much around the number of NFL hits they take as it does with actual age.

FWIW, Nothing wrong with adding 20 yeard olds but you will deal with immaturity. Thats why Lloyd isn't in San Fran. It's also why Dallas is drafting 24 and 25 year olds. BP doesn't want to have to groom them for 3 years. We do that with undrafted guys.

I would agree the signings of Lloyd and Randel El are gambles for them meant to make up for the lack of a draft. They are guessing they get the Santana Moss effect with them but how many NFL players can you name who spent 3 or 4 years in one spot then blew up for another team? Its a small list. Hit or miss who knows.
But you can't look at their paychecks and call them propspects.
The other big signing was 29 year old Archuleta. Not a prospect at all.
They also lost their best defensive athlete in Arrington. Skins can use whatever excuses they want but the team mysteriously gelled and got better when Arrington's playing time increased and he was their best player in the playoffs. Funny how they didn't trust him all year but did when the season was on the line.

The Skins have 1 young prospect. 1. QB Jason Campbell. He was a 3rd round prospect to most teams but he is a young prospect at least. They don't really have any others.

Brunell is certainly in the offensive core. He's older than dirt. If he has to be replaced by Campbell it's very unlikely they are overcoming his lack of experience any time soon.

In the grand scheme its not about cores or one side of the ball though. You need young players with upside to provide depth and development. Guys like Bradie James who you draft, develop then replace departing quality starters with. They got Cooley in the draft. He's the kind of guy they are not getting at any other positions though because they don't draft anyone.

I am not saying they will suck but regardless of team if you are not adding 5 to 7 guys with 2 or less years NFL experience each season you are not adding young depth that can develop. I recognize the issue because thats what we did in the mid 90s. Our core was not over the hill at all but we just stopped adding talent who could develop because we couldn't draft well.
 

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we should not be scared of any team.if we are then we just need to quit the season right now.


TO wont allow us to be scared of anybody.:)
 

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MichaelWinicki said:
The homerism in here is blinding at times...

I'll tell ya what Cooley had a great season-- better than Witten IMHO, Witten regressed in his blocking a great deal.

I'll agree with you the RB & WR situation.

But Bledsoe better than Brunell? Come'on give up the koolaid man!

I've never been a Brunell fan but look at the stats... not only was Brunell clearly the better QB last year but over his career it's not even close!

QB rating: Bledsoe 77.3, Brunell 84.1
Td's to picks: Bledsoe 248-198, Brunell 174-102
Completion %: Bledsoe 57.3, Brunell 59.4
Yards per attempt: Bledsoe 6.64, Brunell 6.93
Rushing yards & tds: Bledsoe 736-8, Brunell 2399-15

It's not even close.


So is Cooley better than Witten? Did he have a better season than Witten in your opinion because he blocked better? Or was it because Jansen and Samuels were the healithiest they had been in a while and Cooley was able to go out for passes most plays?

Brunell was clearly better than Bledsoe the second half of last season. He was really good at throwing hitches to Santana. Against us he proved he could actually throw deep posts as well.

Career-wise? Tougher call but I'd lean to Bledsoe. Bledsoe's teams revolved around him throwing the ball. He has not had a WR as good as Jimmy Smith until this year. He is certainly less mobile than Brunell but he has passed for much, much more yardage. Bledsoe's play really tailed off when he lost Bruce Armstong and Brunell's when he lost Boselli. Last season in the second half there was no question which guy had a better offensive line. Bledsoe absolutely has the stronger arm and Brunell the better legs.

Brunell was absolutely god-awful just 2 seasons ago. He was flatly beaten out by Ramsey who may not even make a roster this year.

And just to be fair with the stats Bledsoe has passed for over 13,000 more yards in the same number of NFL seasons and had about 160 more completions of 20+ yards and he has about 50% more 40+ yard passes; 91 to 68. He has 72 more TDs.
 

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t.o.boys81 said:
Witten is much better than Cooley! Are you kidding me?!​


much better?lol

i wouldnt go that far.cooley is good.they are pretty much the same to me if u want to be honest.
 
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