Should we cut Kitna?

[Seven]

Sure your wife is saying that.

Man up, you are not fooling anyone.

.......

 

[Iron_Man]

No, Final Anwser.

 

[Nirvana]

How many teams are keeping 3 QBs on the 53 with the changes to NFL roster rules?

 

[Nirvana]

Just found this regarding my last question:

As new rules have been created to protect quarterbacks, more teams have abandoned the third-string QB on the 53-man roster, freeing up a coveted roster spot.

In 2000, every team suited three quarterbacks on its 53-man roster for at least 10 of the 16 regular-season games.

In the seasons since, the numbers have fluctuated, but as the NFL protects its quarterbacks more, more teams have downsized to just two passers on their rosters.

Prior to the 2001 season, the NFL ruled it would strictly enforce roughing the passer. That same year, only the Colts kept two QBs on the game-day roster for 10 or more games.

In '02, no team kept only two QBs on its 53-man roster for 10 or more games.

Before the '03 season, the NFL increased its protection of quarterbacks a little more — hitting a QB helmet-to-helmet any time after a change of possession is illegal — while teams with only two quarterbacks on their rosters for 10 or more games increased to four — Titans, Commanders, Bills and Chargers.

The '04 season saw a drop to three teams — Broncos, Saints and Colts — while the '05 season dropped once more to just the Broncos and the Colts.

Prior to the '06 season, the NFL added a rule that forced rushing defenders to make a conscious effort to avoid low hits on QBs. As a result, nine teams kept only two QBs on the game-day roster for 10 or more weeks — Patriots, Ravens, Colts, Texans, Titans, Broncos, Cowboys, Panthers and Saints.

One year later, in '07, only four teams had two-QB rosters for more than 10 games — Colts, Texans, Jaguars, and Broncos.

Before the '08 season, the NFL announced it would re-emphasize the third-QB rule, stating that a third QB does not up a take roster spot on 45-man game-day roster, and that the first two quarterbacks do not have to be injured for a team to use its third QB. Four teams kept only two QBs on their rosters for more than 10 games that seasons — Colts, Texans, Jaguars and Broncos.

Before the '09 season, the NFL installed the "Tom Brady rule" — defenders knocked to the ground can no longer lunge at a quarterback and make contact below the belt. Last season, seven teams kept only two quarterbacks on their rosters for 10 or more games — Patriots, Titans, Jaguars, Giants, Commanders, Packers and Bears.

The three longest consecutive-start streaks by a quarterback of all time are held by current players — Brett Favre (309), Peyton Manning (210) and Brady (128) — with Favre's and Manning's streaks still active.

The Colts have taken advantage of their iron man by keeping only two QBs on the roster in five of the past 10 seasons.

Favre — the best example to date — is the godfather of durability. Even at age 40, the 19-year veteran has never missed a start due to injury.

Prior to this generation of quarterbacks, the longest consecutive-games streak was held by Ron Jaworski, who started in 123 straight games between 1977-84. For more than 15 years, Jaworski's record went uncontested. Three current players have already passed Jaworski, and at least three more are well on their way — Eli Manning (94), Philip Rivers (71) and Cutler.

While the third-string QB roster spot is often dedicated to developing a younger player or as a contingency plan, it doesn't seem to be necessary in today's NFL.

Teams like the Steelers, Ravens, Falcons and Jets in recent seasons have started rookie quarterbacks and won, so the developmental process has shown it can be accelerated successfully. The NFL is a win-now league, and an extra roster spot is invaluable. Teams need every player to play, and there is no room for a roster spot dedicated to a worst-case scenario — two quarterbacks injured in the same game — when the future is now.

As long as the NFL continues to protect the QB position, look for more teams to go with a similar "less is more" strategy when it comes to quarterbacks.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/story/permalink/14992

I think it's possible Garrett might want to keep 6 WRs and keeping only 2 QBs may be ok with him to make room for one more WR. Then again, Garrett is a former QB and he might have a lot more interest in keeping 3 than another head coach would be.

 

[Doomsday101]

Just found this regarding my last question:



http://www.profootballweekly.com/story/permalink/14992

I think it's possible Garrett might want to keep 6 WRs and keeping only 2 QBs may be ok with him to make room for one more WR. Then again, Garrett is a former QB and he might have a lot more interest in keeping 3 than another head coach would be.

He may want to do it because we had to use all 3 last season when Romo got hurt then Kitna got hurt.

 

[Nirvana]

He may want to do it because we had to use all 3 last season when Romo got hurt then Kitna got hurt.

Yep, and a team like the Commanders would sign Kitna if we released him. He's not going to be sitting at home waiting for our phone call.

 

[baj1dallas]

Kitna plans to retire after this year. Keep him.

Yeah Kitna isn't going to hold McGee back. Even if you want McGee to go in if Romo goes down, you keep Kitna to back him up, to go in he he gets his bell rung or anything like that.

 

[casmith07]

I said it in a couple of threads. I think Dallas has some tough decisions to make regarding the roster.

This team will just have to suck it up and go with 1 kicker.

That's the only way we don't lose guys like Phillip Tanner or Orie Lemon.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yep, and a team like the Commanders would sign Kitna if we released him. He's not going to be sitting at home waiting for our phone call.

Very well could happen. Teams will be looking for vet backups as we get closer to the season. One thing the vet can give you is the experience to be able to come off the bench and not be over whelmed by what the defensive is throwing at them because they have been there before and have seen it. As for McGee I like what he has been doing but I have a good insurance policy in Kitna and no reason to cut him loose.

Next year move McGee to the 2nd string and look for a young QB to put behind him

 

[cowboys2233]

Not just yet. He is still the most experienced QB on the roster (yep, that's what I said) and it is helpful to have him available for his off field intangibles such as leadership and mentoring... not to mention a true veteran presence on the field if called upon.

McGee shows lots of potential, but I will sleep better with Kitna in the wings for just one more season.

I dunno, watching Kitna in the last couple of preseason games, I got disturbing flashbacks of Brad Johnson. Good one year, completely incompetent, noodle-armed play the next.

 

[morieeel]

You can't afford to get cute if you're team is on a roll and you are in the playoff hunt, and your starting Quarterback goes down. Keep the vet, next year maybe he will be ready.

^^This^^^^

 

[EPL0c0]

I'd keep him unless I can get a favorable draft pick (Mike Martz in Chicago?) for him. If we get a pick and lose him then I'd be confortable with McGee as the #2 since we're in a rebuilding year.

I think Cinci might be in more need of a QB right now. Miami might bite as well. Even at 38, it'd be tough letting him go. he's still very good and has that leadership ability that guys follow

 

[CoCo]

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/jon-kitna/

According to this Kitna will make 2.6 MM in 2011. His salary cap replacement would likely be between 375k & 910k. Decent chance we'd save 2MM.

Something to be considered when you realize savings can be rolled forward into the next year and we'll have 20MM dead money in 2012.

Gurode I heard costs 4.6MM I think in 2011.

Not suggesting we purge these guys. Just providing some info for thought.

 

[Fletch]

No. Not this year. He's still better than McGee.

I haven't seen that this year. McGee is better than Kitna as we speak. Kitna's arm is a noodle.

 

[EPL0c0]

doesn't really matter how much Dallas saves, it's not like the GM is gonna go out and pick up players to build depth at certain positions

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

No because he's still a better quarterback than Kitna.

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

I haven't seen that this year. McGee is better than Kitna as we speak. Kitna's arm is a noodle.

It's preseason bro who cares? Preseason doesn't mean anything.

 

[Stautner]

I haven't seen that this year. McGee is better than Kitna as we speak. Kitna's arm is a noodle.

You are judging from what - about 10 passes thrown by Kitna? Plus you are discounting the value of experience, and not considering that McGee isn't facing 1st team defenses. Kitna still has the advantage of having proven he can have success in real NFL games.

 

[ndanger]

My wife thinks Kitna and McGee are better than Romo.Everytime she sees him she says oh no Romos back in the game.I just don't get Romo because everybody says how he has progressed and he throws one in double coverage last week.I thought he really stunk it up.I am starting to think he lost it somewhere along the line.Kitna got us from the dumpster to close to the playoffs.Don't be too quick to jetison him.At least he knows how to shave and wear his hat on the right way.I am sick of the backwards hat the stubble and promises promises..

Close to the playoffs?......Seriously what are you talking about? We were not even sniffing the playoffs last year......are you ok ?

 

[CoCo]

doesn't really matter how much Dallas saves, it's not like the GM is gonna go out and pick up players to build depth at certain positions

Oh, the cap doesn't matter? Guess I was confused about that. Thanks for straightening me out.