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Interesting how the practice reports you read don't translate to the game itself.

Honestly, I look at players that ball out.

Look at Brian Poole. Nobody thought he was that good.

Had a pick in this game last year.

He's starting this week for the Falcons.
 

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Darius English of SC looked pretty good as well.
 

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1. DT DeAngelo Brown, Louisville
Brown was one of the top performers in the practices leading up to the Shrine Game, according to NFL Media’s Daniel Jeremiah. “He flashed some quickness as an inside rusher and was very disruptive in the running game.” Jeremiah wrote. “He lacks ideal height, but he plays with excellent leverage.” Brown had a big play early in the game, stuffing Utah’s Joe Williams for a one-yard loss on fourth and one as the West was deep in East territory.

2. QB Wes Lunt, Illinois
Lunt got the start for the West team and completed 11 of 14 passes for 101 yards, averaging 7.2 yards per attempt. His first pass of the game went for 37 yards to Samford’s Karel Hamilton. Lunt is not projected to be drafted, according to CBS. Pennsylvania’s Alek Torgerson started for the East team and completed just four of seven attempts.

3. DE Trey Hendrickson, Florida Atlantic
Hendrickson picked up a strip sack for the East in the first half, turning the corner and knocking the ball loose from West quarterback Gunner Keil. The East was unable to recover the fumble, though. Hendrickson was tied for the NCAA lead in blocked kicks in 2016 with four and was No. 21 in the country in sacks per game. He was the Conference USA Defensive MVP this past season and finished his career with 29.5 sacks.

4. RB Elijah McGuire, Louisiana-Lafayette
McGuire carried the ball seven times for 42 yards, just nine yards shy of the team-lead. He also scored a touchdown, finding the end zone on an 18-yard run in the second half. McGuire finished his college career with three-straight 1,000-yard seasons, earning a total of 4,201 rushing yards in four seasons. He ran for 42 touchdowns during his college career and found the end zone 10 more times catching the ball out of the backfield.

5. TE Anthony Auclair, Laval
The Canadian product caught two passes for 21 yards, including an 18-yard reception capped off by hurdling a defender. One other player on the East team, Kermit Whitfield, caught more than two passes. Whitfield caught three balls, as did Trey Griffey of the West team.

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-- Trey Hendrickson, DE, Florida Atlantic: Hendrickson ended up earning defensive MVP in the Shrine Game on Saturday with two tackles and a sack-fumble. He was a dominant force all week at practice, showing an array of pass-rush moves such as a bull rush and a rip move. During gauntlet drills against offensive linemen, Hendrickson consistently blew past blockers and showed off an unstoppable confidence as a player. He has some natural instincts off the edge and is a vastly underrated pro player coming out of Florida Atlantic. He was a defensive standout.

-- Deatrich Wise Jr., DE, Arkansas: Wise had a rough end to his senior year at Arkansas, getting benched for the last few games and struggling to find an exact position for himself between five and three-technique. At 6-6 and 270, Wise went through drills and played purely off the edge, solving the issues as to his NFL position, and showed off an ability to get off blocks and stop the run. I think he made a convincing case to teams that he can be a rotational pass rusher and run stopper at the next level. Wise also showed that he has some developable pass rush moves that a team is bound to take a chance on in the draft.

-- Jalen Robinette, WR, Air Force: Robinette flew under the radar at Air Force due to a run-heavy offense and a lack of targets. This week, however, he showed that he is useful on 50/50 balls with his 6-4 frame but can also have a diverse route tree and contribute in all areas of the field. He showed a knack for catching the ball away from his body and going up for the ball. He’s a pro-ready player who can play on the outside at the next level, and made the most of a rough quarterback situation on the West team.

-- Drew Morgan, WR, Arkansas: Morgan was a late invite to the Shrine Game, only getting his invite on Friday, three days before practice started, but he made the most of the opportunity. Considering he was fourth in the SEC in receptions, he was vastly overlooked by many before his invite, myself included. But I think he showed crisp route running and made some nice catches running out of the slot, where he’s likely to play most in the NFL. Morgan fits the Patriots narrative for a receiver in a productive college player who is an elite route runner and an overlooked pro.

-- Michael Roberts, TE, Toledo: Roberts came into the game with a ton of potential but a lot of questions surrounding his game. Reports said that he was running his 40-yard dash at around 4.94 and that scouts were knocking him for his lack of blocking. Roberts, at 6-5 and 270, has a monster frame and knows how to find the high point of the football and leap for it. I saw his play speed at much faster than something in the 4.9s and he isn’t the greatest blocker in the world, but I thought he was still adequate. Roberts will have another opportunity to show off what he has at the Senior Bowl next week.

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/shrine-game-five-prospects-that-impressed-this-week/2310420
 

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I like Wise, seems like a guy tailor made for Maranelli to work with.
 

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I like Wise, seems like a guy tailor made for Maranelli to work with.
I do too. He had a senior season full of injuries. I believe he broke his hand in the 1st game of season, he separated his shoulder, and had a nagging ankle injury. Continued to play through every injury instead of take games off. I think he goes in the 3rd or 4th. possibly 2nd if someone really likes him. He has shown he can be productive against nfl bound talent playing in the SEC.
 

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Fabian Moreau will be a pro bowler in the future

I could argue he was the best CB (also could argue Jones of WA) in the PAC12 and they can take that Adoree' Hype Train somewhere else.

His stats often didn't jump out on paper because he was a 3/4 lock-down CB that QB's and OC's stayed away from his side of the field much of the time. Sure he was caught here and there in some games, but you can't ask for much more, at least at the college level.
 

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Josh Norris | East West Shrine Review
Saturday, January 21, 2017

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Rather than breakdown the East and West rosters position by position, I decided to take this review a different way. You all love lists, so if you want to know the top 20 names from this week and moving forward, you will find them below. If you want a more in-depth look at each player, a short evaluation or note is also included.

Why 20? Look back to last year (and previous iterations) for the number of prospects who help teams early on in their career: Joe Thuney, Javon Hargrave, Tajae Sharpe, Juston Burris, Justin Simmons, Dean Lowry, Graham Glasgow, Robby Anderson, De’Vondre Campbell, Cre’Von Leblanc, Josh Ferguson, Alex Lewis, Anthony Brown, Brian Poole, Romeo Okwara, Brandon Shell, Parker Ehinger, Geronimo Allison, Daniel Lasco, Derek Watt, LeShaun Sims, Briean Boddy-Calhoun, David Onyemata. This week matters.

Finally, I’ve added a short section of buzz I heard during the week when talking with NFL people and agents. Remember, there are 300-plus personnel members and scouts in the NFL. One opinion does not equal a league-wide view. The same could be said for media attending. We will see different things.

For verified Shrine week weigh-ins, here is a full list.

1. TE Eric Saubert, Drake - The top player entering the week for me exits in that top spot as well. Saubert is a receiving tight end who gives effort. He can be an asset in a team’s passing game at 6-foot-5, 245-pounds. Saubert was a topic of conversation when I spoke with a director of college scouting. I suggested Saubert could be considered in rounds 3-5 in other years, but not this year due to the depth of this year’s tight end class. He shook his head, saying a talented player won’t drop because of the other talent at his position. The director of college scouting noted that Saubert ran a 4.69 this spring. “That is straight out of bed. Straight off of spring break. No training. If a guy can run, he will run.”

I also learned that Saubert played through a knee injury since the second game of the 2016 season. He never missed a play.

2. RB Elijah McGuire, ULL - It can be difficult for a running back to stand out at these events. Only first contact is allowed. McGuire is not flashy, will pick up the yards blocked for him and can work as a pass catcher.

3. WR Jalen Robinette, Air Force - Robinette’s combination of size and athleticism is difficult to find. He played in a run-based offense at Air Force, so his opportunities were limited compared to his peers. He was limited to vertical routes and underneath stuff. This week he displayed his entire arsenal. Robinette’s Combine workout will be fun and he was called up for Senior Bowl week.

4. LB Paul Magloire, Arizona - Athleticism at linebacker always grabs my attention. Yes, he is under 6-feet tall, but Magloire can fit the hybrid safety-linebacker spot, although I’m not so sure teams are excited to add those as the public suggests.

5. LB James Onwualu, Notre Dame - Consistent. In the right place. Etc. etc. I spoke with a scout who covers Onwualu’s area and he was excited about his projection. Was used in a variety of alignments for the Irish.

6. CB Fabian Moreau, UCLA - Patient, fast, intelligent. Did not panic on breaks in routes and stays in phase.

7. LB Kenneth Olugbode, Colorado - Similar to Magloire in terms of athleticism standing out.

8. EDGE Trey Hendrickson, FAU - The best edge rusher on the East squad. Standing out as a pass rusher in one on ones grabs attention, but I do think perspective needs to be inserted. His competition was not very strong at the event, meaning his position and his opposition. Still, he is relentless and wants to create room as a pass rusher.

9. EDGE Avery Moss, Youngstown State - Moss was the top edge rusher on the West squad and displayed more quickness than Hendrickson. However, he has difficulty resetting and restarting his momentum once his initial line is stopped.

10. T Sam Tevi, Utah - Power and movement skills. The former defensive lineman is still learning patience and positioning on the offensive end. It would not surprise me to see him viewed as a guard.

11. WR Deangelo Yancey, Purdue - Athletic testing will likely be the difference between a fourth or fifth round option for Yancey versus a sixth or seventh round tag. Yancey displays explosion to create slivers of separation on vertical routes as well as strength off the line and in routes. He is an outside receiver.

12. S Xavier Woods, Louisiana Tech - Louisiana Tech asked Woods to do a lot: play split, play in the box, work single high, cover slot receivers. I would go as far to say they put him in some spots to fail. But a team that narrows down his assignments can get a good player.

13. EDGE Bryan Cox, Florida - Cox turned it up this week, something I didn't see over the last two years at Florida. Teams will like his lineage, and Cox might also offer interior pass rushing snaps.

14. S Tedric Thompson, Colorado - Flashes plenty of range, but his tackling skills remind me of Phillip Thomas and Gerod Holliman. When know where that flaw landed those two.

15. RB De’Veon Smith, Michigan - I’m not saying this matters, but it is noteworthy (even just for kicks) to mention Smith’s hand size: 8 ¼ inches. As Fran Duffy pointed out, only two running backs drafted in the last five years have smaller hands. Smith is a power back who will be at the Senior Bowl.

16. RB Dare Ogunbowale, Wisconsin - A receiving back who will have to carve out a role. Not every team believes that type of skill set is rosterable.

17. LB Marquel Lee, Wake Forest - Lee will not play in the game due to injury. At 6-foot-3, 230-pounds he was used all over the defense for the Demon Deacons.

18. CB Aarion Penton, Missouri - Penton projects as a slot corner, and a good one at that. We’ve seen him work in tight man and in zone.

19. WR Austin Carr, Northwestern - I didn’t think he had a good week, but Carr can still make a roster as a slot receiver. He got into the all-star mode by taking too many steps and hesitations off the line in one on ones. A la Braxton Miller.

20. DL Josh Augusta, Missouri - I spoke with a scout who works in Augusta’s area. He said two years ago, Augusta looked like he was on track to be a top three round pick, but never improved. He weighed in at a ridiculous 365 pounds, but the scout said he watched Augusta chase down screens and move incredibly for a man that size. I was told he will be drafted, if the other parts of the process check out.

Miscellaneous Buzz

One of my favorite parts of the week is reviewing last year’s East-West Shrine roster with NFL people and figuring out what we missed on. One of the first players was Brian Poole, a UDFA out of Florida who took hold of the Falcons slot corner duties. “You saw him do everything he is doing now when he was in school,” a personnel director told me. “And it was at Florida. I would chalk that up to Poole producing a SPARQ-percentile of 4.5% and checking in under 5-foot 10-inches.

We also talked about Pitt edge rusher Ejuan Price, who suffered an injury and was only on the field for the first half of the first practice. We all agreed his UNC game was the best, which will help with so many decision makers watching that contest in preparation for Mitch Trubisky’s evaluation. Somehow the conversation shifted to Vic Beasley, not because of a potential comparison (there isn’t one) but possibly weight fluctuation. The evaluator said he and others ran into “Vic Beasley-itis” since the NFL had been hearing about him since his freshman season and saw variations in his frame and his play from year to year. I cracked a smile the entire time, as Beasley was a draft favorite.

Finally, the scouting director asked which tight end I’m most excited for, other than O.J. Howard. I told him David Njoku. He thought I was going to say Jordan Leggett… keep that in mind.

Stacy Coley’s absence was not injury related. He wanted to focus on other parts of the process… and if I were to read between the lines, I’m guessing he was not in practice or game shape. Justin Davis suffered an ankle sprain in the Rose Bowl.

I’m always curious as to agents’ processes of signing prospects. I spoke to one who uses scouting service grades, and admitted they impact who he interacts with. As in he might not be interested in a player if they are given a low or undraftable grade by spring scouts. DO NOT DO THIS. Those grades are generated by entry level evaluators, some will turn out to be good at their jobs, others are not. Trust your own eyes. In fact, trust media evaluations. It is incredible how different actual talent and projections turn out than those spring grades. Use those names as a watch list, not grades on talent.
 

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I’m told one prospect that has really intrigued teams is Albany State (Georgia) defensive lineman Grover Stewart.

Stewart is a specimen measuring 6-feet/4.5-inches and 340lbs. Last week during training at XOS Pensacola he was timed at a 5.05s in the forty. Later, during bench press testing, I’m told Stewart added two big plates to the bar increasing the weight from 225lbs to 315lbs. He then proceeded to complete 17 reps. His personal best at 225lbs is in the high 30’s and his goal for pro-day or at the combine, should he receive an invitation, is in the mid 40’s.

http://draftanalyst.com/shrine-game-buzz-monday-evening
Where is Bryan Cox Jr. projected to go? I think they said mid/late round. He looked like an interesting player if he is available mid/late.
 
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No real surprises here. If you're projected to go in the first 2 rounds, the SB is just another chance for these kids to get hurt before the draft. Dede should man up and participate though.
I couldn't disagree more. Players who are especially near the bottom of the first have a golden opportunity to rise. At the 2014 SB, I remember the titanic matches between Zack Martin & Aaron Donald in the North practices. No one on either side of the ball could compete with those two except each other. Donald rose to be picked 12th in the first round, Martin the 16th. Both have gone on to have All-Pro careers. Donald, especially, would not have gone that high had he not shown his wares at the SB. McKinley really surprises me, because he's projected at the bottom half of the 1st round. He could have a monster SB & move ahead of some of the rush men projected ahead of him.
 
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Josh Norris | East West Shrine Review
Saturday, January 21, 2017

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Rather than breakdown the East and West rosters position by position, I decided to take this review a different way. You all love lists, so if you want to know the top 20 names from this week and moving forward, you will find them below. If you want a more in-depth look at each player, a short evaluation or note is also included.

Why 20? Look back to last year (and previous iterations) for the number of prospects who help teams early on in their career: Joe Thuney, Javon Hargrave, Tajae Sharpe, Juston Burris, Justin Simmons, Dean Lowry, Graham Glasgow, Robby Anderson, De’Vondre Campbell, Cre’Von Leblanc, Josh Ferguson, Alex Lewis, Anthony Brown, Brian Poole, Romeo Okwara, Brandon Shell, Parker Ehinger, Geronimo Allison, Daniel Lasco, Derek Watt, LeShaun Sims, Briean Boddy-Calhoun, David Onyemata. This week matters.

Finally, I’ve added a short section of buzz I heard during the week when talking with NFL people and agents. Remember, there are 300-plus personnel members and scouts in the NFL. One opinion does not equal a league-wide view. The same could be said for media attending. We will see different things.

For verified Shrine week weigh-ins, here is a full list.

1. TE Eric Saubert, Drake - The top player entering the week for me exits in that top spot as well. Saubert is a receiving tight end who gives effort. He can be an asset in a team’s passing game at 6-foot-5, 245-pounds. Saubert was a topic of conversation when I spoke with a director of college scouting. I suggested Saubert could be considered in rounds 3-5 in other years, but not this year due to the depth of this year’s tight end class. He shook his head, saying a talented player won’t drop because of the other talent at his position. The director of college scouting noted that Saubert ran a 4.69 this spring. “That is straight out of bed. Straight off of spring break. No training. If a guy can run, he will run.”

I also learned that Saubert played through a knee injury since the second game of the 2016 season. He never missed a play.

2. RB Elijah McGuire, ULL - It can be difficult for a running back to stand out at these events. Only first contact is allowed. McGuire is not flashy, will pick up the yards blocked for him and can work as a pass catcher.

3. WR Jalen Robinette, Air Force - Robinette’s combination of size and athleticism is difficult to find. He played in a run-based offense at Air Force, so his opportunities were limited compared to his peers. He was limited to vertical routes and underneath stuff. This week he displayed his entire arsenal. Robinette’s Combine workout will be fun and he was called up for Senior Bowl week.

4. LB Paul Magloire, Arizona - Athleticism at linebacker always grabs my attention. Yes, he is under 6-feet tall, but Magloire can fit the hybrid safety-linebacker spot, although I’m not so sure teams are excited to add those as the public suggests.

5. LB James Onwualu, Notre Dame - Consistent. In the right place. Etc. etc. I spoke with a scout who covers Onwualu’s area and he was excited about his projection. Was used in a variety of alignments for the Irish.

6. CB Fabian Moreau, UCLA - Patient, fast, intelligent. Did not panic on breaks in routes and stays in phase.

7. LB Kenneth Olugbode, Colorado - Similar to Magloire in terms of athleticism standing out.

8. EDGE Trey Hendrickson, FAU - The best edge rusher on the East squad. Standing out as a pass rusher in one on ones grabs attention, but I do think perspective needs to be inserted. His competition was not very strong at the event, meaning his position and his opposition. Still, he is relentless and wants to create room as a pass rusher.

9. EDGE Avery Moss, Youngstown State - Moss was the top edge rusher on the West squad and displayed more quickness than Hendrickson. However, he has difficulty resetting and restarting his momentum once his initial line is stopped.

10. T Sam Tevi, Utah - Power and movement skills. The former defensive lineman is still learning patience and positioning on the offensive end. It would not surprise me to see him viewed as a guard.

11. WR Deangelo Yancey, Purdue - Athletic testing will likely be the difference between a fourth or fifth round option for Yancey versus a sixth or seventh round tag. Yancey displays explosion to create slivers of separation on vertical routes as well as strength off the line and in routes. He is an outside receiver.

12. S Xavier Woods, Louisiana Tech - Louisiana Tech asked Woods to do a lot: play split, play in the box, work single high, cover slot receivers. I would go as far to say they put him in some spots to fail. But a team that narrows down his assignments can get a good player.

13. EDGE Bryan Cox, Florida - Cox turned it up this week, something I didn't see over the last two years at Florida. Teams will like his lineage, and Cox might also offer interior pass rushing snaps.

14. S Tedric Thompson, Colorado - Flashes plenty of range, but his tackling skills remind me of Phillip Thomas and Gerod Holliman. When know where that flaw landed those two.

15. RB De’Veon Smith, Michigan - I’m not saying this matters, but it is noteworthy (even just for kicks) to mention Smith’s hand size: 8 ¼ inches. As Fran Duffy pointed out, only two running backs drafted in the last five years have smaller hands. Smith is a power back who will be at the Senior Bowl.

16. RB Dare Ogunbowale, Wisconsin - A receiving back who will have to carve out a role. Not every team believes that type of skill set is rosterable.

17. LB Marquel Lee, Wake Forest - Lee will not play in the game due to injury. At 6-foot-3, 230-pounds he was used all over the defense for the Demon Deacons.

18. CB Aarion Penton, Missouri - Penton projects as a slot corner, and a good one at that. We’ve seen him work in tight man and in zone.

19. WR Austin Carr, Northwestern - I didn’t think he had a good week, but Carr can still make a roster as a slot receiver. He got into the all-star mode by taking too many steps and hesitations off the line in one on ones. A la Braxton Miller.

20. DL Josh Augusta, Missouri - I spoke with a scout who works in Augusta’s area. He said two years ago, Augusta looked like he was on track to be a top three round pick, but never improved. He weighed in at a ridiculous 365 pounds, but the scout said he watched Augusta chase down screens and move incredibly for a man that size. I was told he will be drafted, if the other parts of the process check out.

Miscellaneous Buzz

One of my favorite parts of the week is reviewing last year’s East-West Shrine roster with NFL people and figuring out what we missed on. One of the first players was Brian Poole, a UDFA out of Florida who took hold of the Falcons slot corner duties. “You saw him do everything he is doing now when he was in school,” a personnel director told me. “And it was at Florida. I would chalk that up to Poole producing a SPARQ-percentile of 4.5% and checking in under 5-foot 10-inches.

We also talked about Pitt edge rusher Ejuan Price, who suffered an injury and was only on the field for the first half of the first practice. We all agreed his UNC game was the best, which will help with so many decision makers watching that contest in preparation for Mitch Trubisky’s evaluation. Somehow the conversation shifted to Vic Beasley, not because of a potential comparison (there isn’t one) but possibly weight fluctuation. The evaluator said he and others ran into “Vic Beasley-itis” since the NFL had been hearing about him since his freshman season and saw variations in his frame and his play from year to year. I cracked a smile the entire time, as Beasley was a draft favorite.

Finally, the scouting director asked which tight end I’m most excited for, other than O.J. Howard. I told him David Njoku. He thought I was going to say Jordan Leggett… keep that in mind.

Stacy Coley’s absence was not injury related. He wanted to focus on other parts of the process… and if I were to read between the lines, I’m guessing he was not in practice or game shape. Justin Davis suffered an ankle sprain in the Rose Bowl.

I’m always curious as to agents’ processes of signing prospects. I spoke to one who uses scouting service grades, and admitted they impact who he interacts with. As in he might not be interested in a player if they are given a low or undraftable grade by spring scouts. DO NOT DO THIS. Those grades are generated by entry level evaluators, some will turn out to be good at their jobs, others are not. Trust your own eyes. In fact, trust media evaluations. It is incredible how different actual talent and projections turn out than those spring grades. Use those names as a watch list, not grades on talent.
It would help a lot if you gave each players' size.
 

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Thanks for updates. It's nice being able to just click here a get a few takes on how the players are doing.
 
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