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[CouchCoach]

Rhule is out. He wants to coach the Giants and he wants control and he's not getting as much control as any other HC in the NFL is getting working for the Joneses.

 

[Stash]

Yes. I don't think he has the kind of respect to make the Owner compromise to get him here.

That's why I think any and all first time head coaches wouldn't work here either. They will get walked on by this Owner.

I agree. That's actually a big part of why Urban Meyer would be my #1 choice. He wouldn't take that crap and would walk away, either before he ever signed or after he was here. Signing him would say to me that Jones is willing to cede some power. Signing one of the other names tells me it's more of the same operation.

I think from inside the building, they would see Rivera as a good choice to fix the defense while leaving 'their offense' and coaches alone. It would be much like their reasoning for hiring Wade Phillips back then. Fix the defense and don't rock the boat and you can be 'head coach' in title.

 

[Stash]

I will take that bet. I think he will be one of the first people to interview here.

He is such a perfect Jerry candidate. He already knows how things run here, He won't change anything on the defense, I bet he will allow jerry to keep a bunch of the assistants in place like Moore and Kitna.

He was here for a long time and understands the local media and playing these big primetime games in the east so there will be no adjustment to that.

I will gladly accept any and all grief from you if and when that happens. But likewise, you'll get some razzing from me if it doesn't.

 

[MikeB80]

I will gladly accept any and all grief from you if and when that happens. But likewise, you'll get some razzing from me if it doesn't.

Don't be confused I am not excited about it or hoping it happens. I am just trying to think like the Jones family and how they are going to go about this. I think he would hit all the checkmarks of what they want...someone who will accept their management style, He will be on board with paying Dak, he will keep the defense the same and he will probably be fine with Moore and kitna.

Having said all that, If Josh McDaniels gets a head coaching job somewhere I assume Eberflus is going to go with him and I think the colts will let him go for the same position because he took the job in Indianapolis to work with his friend in McDaniels.

I think a McDaniels-Eberflus staff in Cleveland would be a perfect fit for a bunch of guys who come from Ohio. I don't think McDaniels goes there however unless he gets to pick his GM.

 

[John813]

Why? What would he actually bring that others don't? And in more proven ways?

Respectfully, I don't see him in the conversation at all.

It's hard to get a feel about what Jerry meant about college coaches.
Was it smoke, or was he being candid?

Campbell is unproven in a sense he doesn't have a big track record as a head coach. But he does have experience in the NFL in a coaching/Asst coaching role that only Riviera and Rhule can say they've had. Has been an understudy to Payton for 3+ years now.

Campbell could allow Jerry to have more say over coaches, something I doubt Meyer would be on board on, depending on what coaching spots were being discussed.

I don't view him as a top choice per say, but I think he'll get some attention when Garrett isn't re-signed.

 

[Stash]

Don't be confused I am not excited about it or hoping it happens. I am just trying to think like the Jones family and how they are going to go about this. I think he would hit all the checkmarks of what they want...someone who will accept their management style, He will be on board with paying Dak, he will keep the defense the same and he will probably be fine with Moore and kitna.

I see those same qualities in Ron Rivera, as well as head coaching experience and a Super Bowl appearance on his resume.

Having said all that, If Josh McDaniels gets a head coaching job somewhere I assume Eberflus is going to go with him and I think the colts will let him go for the same position because he took the job in Indianapolis to work with his friend in McDaniels.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. McDaniels left Eberflus twisting in the wind once, I don't think he will get the chance to do so again.

I think a McDaniels-Eberflus staff in Cleveland would be a perfect fit for a bunch of guys who come from Ohio. I don't think McDaniels goes there however unless he gets to pick his GM.

That's one place I could see Mike McCarthy landing of he gets another job.

 

[Risen Star]

I agree. That's actually a big part of why Urban Meyer would be my #1 choice. He wouldn't take that crap and would walk away, either before he ever signed or after he was here. Signing him would say to me that Jones is willing to cede some power. Signing one of the other names tells me it's more of the same operation.

I think from inside the building, they would see Rivera as a good choice to fix the defense while leaving 'their offense' and coaches alone. It would be much like their reasoning for hiring Wade Phillips back then. Fix the defense and don't rock the boat and you can be 'head coach' in title.

Yep. If you get a guy like Meyer, whether he can or can't coach in the pros, the Owner would at least have to woo him. That's what he need to happen. It can't be someone just grateful for the job. Nothing would change.

 

[MikeB80]

I see those same qualities in Ron Rivera, as well as head coaching experience and a Super Bowl appearance on his resume.



Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. McDaniels left Eberflus twisting in the wind once, I don't think he will get the chance to do so again.



That's one place I could see Mike McCarthy landing of he gets another job.

Yea I agree on Mcarthy but they will have to fire the GM to for that to happen he wants to run everything.

I think McDaniels and Eberflus are close enough that he would go with him again but obviously he may hate the guy now I guess after what happened.

I like Ron Rivera but I don't think Jerry is going to give a guy the HC job after not hiring him for it 13 years ago when he interviewed him.

 

[Stash]

It's hard to get a feel about what Jerry meant about college coaches.
Was it smoke, or was he being candid?

You never know to be honest, because Jerry often isn't honest. It was likely damage control for the Meyer story getting out. That could lead to issues down the road in terms of Rooney rule stuff and Jones can ill afford to give this league any more ammunition to use against him. Not to mention, it's a bad look to be talking to people while a guy is still sitting in the chair.

Campbell is unproven in a sense he doesn't have a big track record as a head coach. But he does have experience in the NFL in a coaching/Asst coaching role that only Riviera and Rhule can say they've had. Has been an understudy to Payton for 3+ years now.

Campbell could allow Jerry to have more say over coaches, something I doubt Meyer would be on board on, depending on what coaching spots were being discussed.

I don't view him as a top choice per say, but I think he'll get some attention when Garrett isn't re-signed.

I tend to doubt it. He doesn't bring anything to the table that suggests he will 'fix' anything that's wrong.

 

[Stash]

Yep. If you get a guy like Meyer, whether he can or can't coach in the pros, the Owner would at least have to woo him. That's what he need to happen. It can't be someone just grateful for the job. Nothing would change.

Just my gut feeling, but I'm already getting a vibe that Meyer didn't like what he heard in his conversation with Stephen and may have already moved on.

 

[MikeB80]

Yep. If you get a guy like Meyer, whether he can or can't coach in the pros, the Owner would at least have to woo him. That's what he need to happen. It can't be someone just grateful for the job. Nothing would change.

we all know that is not going to happen. Assistant Nfl coaches have a much higher success rate than college guys.

Jerry is not wooing anyone it will be the opposite. He will most likely hire who woo's him the most and throws as much praise at The Jones and Dak. Just like wade did when he interviewed here in 07. I think they intended to hire Norv Turner but he isn't an *** kisser and I think that was a turn off to them.

 

[John813]

You never know to be honest, because Jerry often isn't honest. It was likely damage control for the Meyer story getting out. That could lead to issues down the road in terms of Rooney rule stuff and Jones can ill afford to give this league any more ammunition to use against him. Not to mention, it's a bad look to be talking to people while a guy is still sitting in the chair.



I tend to doubt it. He doesn't bring anything to the table that suggests he will 'fix' anything that's wrong.

I agree, but I guess it'll come down to Jerry and his comfort zone regarding his next HC hire. Will it be another Parcells-lite type of guy or more of a first time new timer that he can have more say as Owner/GM/wannabe HC?

 

[Stash]

Yea I agree on Mcarthy but they will have to fire the GM to for that to happen he wants to run everything.

I think McDaniels and Eberflus are close enough that he would go with him again but obviously he may hate the guy now I guess after what happened.

I like Ron Rivera but I don't think Jerry is going to give a guy the HC job after not hiring him for it 13 years ago when he interviewed him.

Maybe Jerry regrets not doing it the first time? Especially considering that Rivera took the Panthers to a Super Bowl.

Rivera is not a sexy choice, but I am convinced that he checks a bunch of boxes for the Jones family. Not saying that's necessarily a good thing, just that he does check those boxes.

 

[Stash]

I agree, but I guess it'll come down to Jerry and his comfort zone regarding his next HC hire. Will it be another Parcells-lite type of guy or more of a first time new timer that he can have more say as Owner/GM/wannabe HC?

Or a former head coach like Rivera? A proven quality defensive coordinator who would be amenable to the way the Jones run things and likely to keep most if not all of the offensive staff in place as the Joneses likely want.

It's just like the Wade Phillips hire years ago, and that was good enough to get them to 13-3 and the top seed in the NFC. I think Jones would see that.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

I think it's ranked like this right now for the next Cowboys head coach:

1. Urban Meyer
2. Ron Rivera
3. Lincoln Riley (who stays at Oklahoma)
4. Matt Rhule

And when I consider all factors, I keep thinking it will ultimately be Rivera.

Don't love Rivera, but at least he got a team to the Super Bowl.
Gimme Urban, personally.

 

[gimmesix]

Why do some people want Ron Rivera? He's record shows he's Jason Garrett 2.0 with one good playoff run. I have no interest.

He took a team to a Super Bowl. Not every coach can say that. He knows how to get there. The hot college coach or coordinator is a complete unknown on this level. At one point, Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier and Chip Kelly were those hot prospects.

I'm not opposed to taking a chance on the hot prospect type but I see no reason to dismiss the idea of hiring a coach who has proven he can get to a Super Bowl.

That includes Rivera and Mike McCarthy.

 

[Stash]

Don't love Rivera, but at least he got a team to the Super Bowl.
Gimme Urban, personally.

Same here, on both counts.

But I have a bad feeling about Meyer. That things were said in conversations that may have changed his mind about even wanting the Dallas job. But that could also just be damage control on both sides after word of the talks leaked out. We'll have to wait about a month to find out.

 

[BigTimeBlues]

At one name specifically, or all of them?

My apologies, I meant towards Rivera.

I don't care for Riley, solely based off of his short resume. I believe you know that u am infatuated with Meyer, and have a strong feeling growing towards Rhule.

I don't want retreads. I'm tired of seeing the same faces in the league, I like giving new guys a shot.

Rivera took a team to the Super Bowl, yes. He's also had his fair share of "face palms" as well. Who knows, like you said we're all going to find out in about a month.

 

[unionjack8]

And yet you claim that you like Riley and Rhule?

Yeah. I don't want a retread like Rivera.... I want fresh....

 

[BigTimeBlues]

He took a team to a Super Bowl. Not every coach can say that. He knows how to get there. The hot college coach or coordinator is a complete unknown on this level. At one point, Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier and Chip Kelly were those hot prospects.

I'm not opposed to taking a chance on the hot prospect type but I see no reason to dismiss the idea of hiring a coach who has proven he can get to a Super Bowl.

That includes Rivera and Mike McCarthy.

I understand the allure of wanting to bring in someone with "Super Bowl Experience" so I did a little bit of digging.

Since 2000, there are about just as many coaches in the league as there are that have exited..all taking their teams to the Super Bowl. I think I'm running about 13/13 split, just off of memory.

Now, I'm operating on my phone so the numbers might not be exact, but they're pretty close. I also wasn't able to look, just yet, as to whether or not Wisenhunt was still on the league.

Obviously the power house, multiple and quite untouchable guys(Sneaky Pete and The Hoodie, probably Tough Titty Tomlin) won't be available.

You have guys like John Fox, Mike Holmgren, Ron Rivera..what's that say, at face value anyway?

In my honest opinion, just because a coach has made it to the big dance does not make him any better than those who might not have.

Tons of layers to this, and I probably could have made a separate thread pertaining to said info..but I don't like that certain criteria.