Sidney Jones Medical Update Sent to Teams

[xwalker]

Does this change anything for you? For other teams?

You have to assume that he misses the season. You don't want to rush back from that injury.

I'm OK taking him in the 3rd but he might not be there.

 

[SportsGuru80]

I wouldn't touch him before the 3rd round. Achilles injuries are horrible for corners SMH.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Maliek Collins did it just last year. I'm not saying his injury will turn out like that, but I'm not going to just assume because a rookie didn't practice in training camp that they should be wrote off for the year.

Your kidding right? Collins was nowhere near the same thing. Believe what you want to believe but the two are not comparable IMO. One is a couple of screws and limited workouts. The other is considerable time, focused on rehabbing the tendon. Collins was playing football by week 3 last year. This kid may not even be working out by then.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

My post was in general about players who miss training camp due to injuries and immediately writing them off. Not comparing Collins to Jones.

I think the thing to remember here is that it's the Coaching Staff who says things like this. Time and time again, we hear how important it is for players to be in camp and why. If you want to make a point, then make it to Head Coaches in the NFL because they are the ones who tell you this. And I would disagree with you last statement. I think you absolutely are comparing Collins to Jones. That last is just my opinion.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You have to assume that he misses the season. You don't want to rush back from that injury.

I'm OK taking him in the 3rd but he might not be there.

This. What is the point of taking a risk on a player who has suffered that type of injury, only to try and rush the kid back and compound the risk? I mean, you gotta use your head at some point.

 

[JBell]

at 92 I'd love it. Your future #1 CB across from Anthony Brown. What would we miss out on at 92 otherwise?

We're getting our edge rusher at 28 or 60. CB/S are deep enough that whichever position you fail to address by going Jones at 92, you'd still be able to get an immediate contributor at either position in the 4th.

 

[AzorAhai]

And I would disagree with you last statement. I think you absolutely are comparing Collins to Jones. That last is just my opinion.

Lmao! How are you going to tell me what I'm saying? You make a direct case that if a player misses TC to not count on any contributions. I directly disputed that fact. That is exactly what I "absolutely" meant. You are more than welcome to your own opinion, as long as your opinion isn't you telling me what I meant. Or do I just get to tell you what you mean when you say something because I can play that game as well, regardless of how nonsensical that premise is.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Lmao! How are you going to tell me what I'm saying? You make a direct case that if a player misses TC to not count on any contributions. I directly disputed that fact. That is exactly what I "absolutely" meant. You are more than welcome to your own opinion, as long as your opinion isn't you telling me what I meant. Or do I just get to tell you what you mean when you say something because I can play that game as well, regardless of how nonsensical that premise is.

Pretty easily. I'm going to do it just like this.

My post was in general about players who miss training camp due to injuries and immediately writing them off. Not comparing Collins to Jones.

These are your words. This is the last statement, in your post, which I clearly referred to. As to Malik and his injury, you are completely wrong. He didn't miss training camp. He was there. This has been pointed out to you but you have ignored that simple fact. Hey, if this is what you want to do, that's fine but your completely wrong. You are wrong about what I said in my first point, which to be clear was "You can't count on rookies who aren't in training camp". You were wrong about comparing the injuries, which has been pointed out by more then one person and you are wrong about the post you just made. I've just shown you that, with your own words.

Why are you doing this?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Achilles is the worst thing you can tear for a CB. Ask Kevin Smith.

That said, I would consider him at #60 as he would have gone in the top 30 in this already loaded DB draft.

That was my thought too up until Barry Church. I am not sure what the new technique is but achilles repairs have come a long way since the 90s.

 

[AzorAhai]

As to Malik and his injury, you are completely wrong. He didn't miss training camp. He was there. This has been pointed out to you but you have ignored that simple fact

After looking this up, I was wrong that he missed all of training camp. He came off PUP August 15th so he only missed half.

You were wrong about comparing the injuries, which has been pointed out by more then one person and you are wrong about the post you just made

I didn't compare the injuries, except "in your opinion". I already clarified what I meant and you don't want to accept that. Instead you want to get on your high horse and tell me, no this is what you meant. I took issue with ruling out players who miss TC because there's several players who stand to miss a lot of the offseason stuff in this draft who could be targets and was giving a broad opinion, which you obviously misinterpreted.

Why are you doing this?

Because you presumed to tell me what I meant. You're not in my head and you don't know me. Don't presume to tell me **** when it comes to what I was thinking. If you don't want to accept my clarification then that's your problem. Your opinion means nothing when it comes to telling me what I was thinking or what I meant.

 

[the_h0wey]

Achilles is the worst thing you can tear for a CB. Ask Kevin Smith.

That said, I would consider him at #60 as he would have gone in the top 30 in this already loaded DB draft.

His first year after tearing it he was an All Pro...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

After looking this up, I was wrong that he missed all of training camp. He came off PUP August 15th so he only missed half.




I didn't compare the injuries, except "in your opinion". I already clarified what I meant and you don't want to accept that. Instead you want to get on your high horse and tell me, no this is what you meant. I took issue with ruling out players who miss TC because there's several players who stand to miss a lot of the offseason stuff in this draft who could be targets and was giving a broad opinion, which you obviously misinterpreted.




Because you presumed to tell me what I meant. You're not in my head and you don't know me. Don't presume to tell me **** when it comes to what I was thinking. If you don't want to accept my clarification then that's your problem. Your opinion means nothing when it comes to telling me what I was thinking or what I meant.

I appreciate you recognizing that he was at camp last year.

You compared the situations without taking into account the severity of each players injuries. That is a fact, so while you say you didn't compare "except in my opinion", you are wrong. That is exactly what is going on here. What does the fact that several players missing camp have to do with anything I said? Show me where I said anything remotely similar to what you suggest. I said, it would be a mistake to count on those players contributing immediately, which is what the original point was. That is a true statement. You know what else is a true statement? At no time did I say it was impossible for a player to do this. I said it would be a mistake and that is the truth. The majority of players who miss camp don't come in and contribute immediately. Many don't contribute at all. Many more don't make the team. For somebody who accuses others of making assumptions, you seem to do your share of that.

Lastly, I don't presume to tell you anything. I posted your words. They are there for you to read yourself. I am not telling you what is in your head. You told us and what you said was wrong.

I ask again, why are you continuing with this? Just admit your error and move on with the discussion. There is no harm in that. People get stuff wrong all the time. You learn this by having conversations and hearing different points of view. I am wrong all the time on various things but this not one of those times. Why not just accept what everybody is telling you and move on?

 

[AzorAhai]

Lastly, I don't presume to tell you anything. I posted your words. They are there for you to read yourself. I am not telling you what is in your head. You told us and what you said was wrong.

I said to Alex I wasn't comparing Collins to Jones.

You said in your opinion I was.

You are telling me what I meant, or in essence telling me I was lying in my reply to Alex. This isn't hard to comprehend whether you acknowledge that or not.

You CAN'T quote any post where I compared Jones to Collins in any fashion. You can't because I said "ROOKIES". Not Jones, but ROOKIES! I realized later it may have sounded like it was a comparison and clarified to Alex.

So no, my own words do not say what you are trying to tell me they say. There was no comparison to Jones and there was no intent to compare the two.

You are right about one thing though. This conversation is indeed over.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I said to Alex I wasn't comparing Collins to Jones.

You said in your opinion I was.

You are telling me what I meant, or in essence telling me I was lying in my reply to Alex. This isn't hard to comprehend whether you acknowledge that or not.

You CAN'T quote any post where I compared Jones to Collins in any fashion. You can't because I said "ROOKIES". Not Jones, but ROOKIES! I realized later it may have sounded like it was a comparison and clarified to Alex.

So no, my own words do not say what you are trying to tell me they say. There was no comparison to Jones and there was no intent to compare the two.

You are right about one thing though. This conversation is indeed over.

I am aware of what you said. I am also aware of what you did. It is not hard to see at all. If you want to say you weren't comparing them, that's fine. However, you are comparing them in that you compare the situations and that's clear for all to see. The situations are entirely different and you will not admit that because you know it invalidates your statement. If you want to say I am calling you a liar, that's on you.

It's interesting that you ask me to find a quote for whatever specific you outline. I notice that you didn't address what I said earlier in that you simply ignore the fact that I pointed out and clarified what I said in my first post. You just skip right over it because you know you can't defend your follow on post. You didn't understand what I said and you took a position. Your position is wrong and you will not admit it so you muddy the water with all this other stuff I never posted about. If that's what you want to do, that's fine with me but you are wrong. It's just a matter of being willing to admit you misread my post.

I hope this conversation is over but somehow, I doubt you will let it go or admit you were wrong.