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Ask yourselves if you are comfortable that Tony will be 100% next season. We have seen what happens without him, so unless you are certain he is going to be at the top of his game, you have to pick his replacement.

Now I am not really enamored with taking a QB at #4. I would prefer Bosa or a MLB, or even Tunsil if he drops, but the reality is, without a QB that can run an offense, we are not going to be competitive.

So, you willing to go with Tony and maybe a McCoy, or Moore?
 

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I haven't looked close enough at the college QBs to really judge if they are capable. I can listen to what you guys say, but you're no better than the mediots at judging talent. ;)

Either way, it looks like there is enough talent in the top side of the draft that we should at least get a decent talent out of the first pick. Whatever it maybe. (as long as the Cowboys don't pull another Morris Claiborne)
 

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The thing that bothered me about last season wasn't that the offense struggled so much without Tony and Dez, because, really, that's what everybody ought to have expected. What troubled me was that I expected our defense to be much improved between having Lee back, having Hardy in the lineup, and hearing the reviews we got from Gregory and Jones in training camp. Then that unit turned out to be pretty mediocre.
So, to your question, OP, no, I'm totally not comfortable passing on a franchise QB (if that's what we think we've got) at #4. That said, my hopes that we'll upgrade the talent on defense relative to what we had last season are low, too. Hardy's as good as gone, the #4 is spoken for in my mind. We've got two of our three starting CBs up for grabs, and they weren't all that good to begin with, and now Gregory is suspended. Even if we spend the rest of the draft on defense, we're getting depth and will need time to find impact players. We do get Scandrick back, which is big. We'll probably pick up role players at S (maybe a Weddle, say) or LB (Durant or somebody like that). But we lost a lot of talent along the DL, too. I have a hard time seeing how I go into next season anywhere near as hopeful as I was going into the last one. It's kind of a bummer.
 

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Yup. To me, it is very simple. Cowboys are not looking to win a SB without Romo. If Romo is injured we suck again and then next year maybe we get a QB. Probably not though.
 

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I still put 90% of the blame on the coaching staff. They failed the backups, not the other way around. So if we are talking about strictly next season, then yes I'm perfectly fine with Romo and Colt.

With that said, the obvious still applies. If there is a franchise QB available you draft him and don't think twice. Too important of a position and regardless of what anyone thinks of Tony he's still 36.
 

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I am not worried about his health next season. At least not any more worried than I am about Dez, Tyron Smith, Zach Martin, Dez Bryant etc. etc. etc.
 

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I haven't looked close enough at the college QBs to really judge if they are capable. I can listen to what you guys say, but you're no better than the mediots at judging talent. ;)

Either way, it looks like there is enough talent in the top side of the draft that we should at least get a decent talent out of the first pick. Whatever it maybe. (as long as the Cowboys don't pull another Morris Claiborne)

Well, the draft is a crap shoot. Romo was undrafted, Brady was what, a seventh? You can get Peytom Manning or Bradley Manning. You don't have to use a first, it just increases your odds.

And Claiborne, Jenkins, Newman have shown us, don't waste a first on a CB. Especially one projected to play safety as a pro.
 

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I still put 90% of the blame on the coaching staff. They failed the backups, not the other way around. So if we are talking about strictly next season, then yes I'm perfectly fine with Romo and Colt.

With that said, the obvious still applies. If there is a franchise QB available you draft him and don't think twice. Too important of a position and regardless of what anyone thinks of Tony he's still 36.

Yes, it was apparent when Weedon dominated in Houston that it's wasn't him, but poor coaching that led to his failure.
 

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Well, the draft is a crap shoot. Romo was undrafted, Brady was what, a seventh? You can get Peytom Manning or Bradley Manning. You don't have to use a first, it just increases your odds.

I believe Brady was drafted in the 6th round. Well, if my memory hasn't failed me. ;)
 

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Ask yourselves if you are comfortable that Tony will be 100% next season. We have seen what happens without him, so unless you are certain he is going to be at the top of his game, you have to pick his replacement.

Now I am not really enamored with taking a QB at #4. I would prefer Bosa or a MLB, or even Tunsil if he drops, but the reality is, without a QB that can run an offense, we are not going to be competitive.

So, you willing to go with Tony and maybe a McCoy, or Moore?

It is the million dollar question. Do we pass on a stud player that will get us that much closer to a SB if Romo stays healthy or do we go with our next franchise QB and watch him sit for 2 years?

I think Goff and Wentz will go Top5 and deserve it. I would take either if they are there.
Lynch and Cook might make it to 34 and I would risk losing them if I took Jack or Bosa or Ramsey.

We still need a vet back-up for the year. We can't put all our eggs in the Romo basket again. QB is too important. KMoore is not good enough for an extended stretch.
 

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It is the million dollar question. Do we pass on a stud player that will get us that much closer to a SB if Romo stays healthy or do we go with our next franchise QB and watch him sit for 2 years?

I think Goff and Wentz will go Top5 and deserve it. I would take either if they are there.
Lynch and Cook might make it to 34 and I would risk losing them if I took Jack or Bosa or Ramsey.

We still need a vet back-up for the year. We can't put all our eggs in the Romo basket again. QB is too important. KMoore is not good enough for an extended stretch.

Simple question. Difficult answer. I trust Romo for one more year. Let's see about next year, next year. Bosa, not Ramsey. He is a safety, or so they say. Even if he was the second coming of Mo Claiborne, I wouldn't draft another prima Donna DB.
 

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The thing that bothered me about last season wasn't that the offense struggled so much without Tony and Dez, because, really, that's what everybody ought to have expected. What troubled me was that I expected our defense to be much improved between having Lee back, having Hardy in the lineup, and hearing the reviews we got from Gregory and Jones in training camp. Then that unit turned out to be pretty mediocre.
So, to your question, OP, no, I'm totally not comfortable passing on a franchise QB (if that's what we think we've got) at #4. That said, my hopes that we'll upgrade the talent on defense relative to what we had last season are low, too. Hardy's as good as gone, the #4 is spoken for in my mind. We've got two of our three starting CBs up for grabs, and they weren't all that good to begin with, and now Gregory is suspended. Even if we spend the rest of the draft on defense, we're getting depth and will need time to find impact players. We do get Scandrick back, which is big. We'll probably pick up role players at S (maybe a Weddle, say) or LB (Durant or somebody like that). But we lost a lot of talent along the DL, too. I have a hard time seeing how I go into next season anywhere near as hopeful as I was going into the last one. It's kind of a bummer.

this. too many times last season, the defense couldn't hold on for the victory -- which was possible even with mediocre QB play.

if they don't think that there's a franchise QB to be had, let's bolster the defense.
 

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Ask yourselves if you are comfortable that Tony will be 100% next season. We have seen what happens without him, so unless you are certain he is going to be at the top of his game, you have to pick his replacement.

Now I am not really enamored with taking a QB at #4. I would prefer Bosa or a MLB, or even Tunsil if he drops, but the reality is, without a QB that can run an offense, we are not going to be competitive.

So, you willing to go with Tony and maybe a McCoy, or Moore?


The 2nd Tier QBs could make it past the 2nd round, Choices like Cordale Jones, Connor Cook, Christian Hackberg are just a few that have as much potential as the top 3, with ample size and arm strength, their developmental ceiling is as strong as Wentz, Goff or even possibly Lynch.

Then there is a 3rd Tier group of even more potential QB contenders all the way into the mid-late rounds whom show similar raw qualities such as pro size and arm strength, as the top 6 big men.


That's excluding Dak Prescott.





 
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Drafting a quarterback is a crapshoot in the sense that some high first-rounders excel and others bust and you don't know for sure which one you've chosen until much later. At the same time, there are usually at least 2 first rounders and often 3 in the final four teams. In that sense, it's not random.
 

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If the question is related to 100% to start the year, the answer is yes. At least 100% for a 36 year old with a bad back.

If its for the whole year, the answer is no because he is a 36 year old QB with a bad back. I'm a huge Romo fan and seldom say bad things about him. However he does have a tendency to hold onto the ball too long and take unnecessary hits. I don't think I would call him injury prone yet, but I'm definitely not confident he can stay healthy all season.
 

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The thing that bothered me about last season wasn't that the offense struggled so much without Tony and Dez, because, really, that's what everybody ought to have expected. What troubled me was that I expected our defense to be much improved between having Lee back, having Hardy in the lineup, and hearing the reviews we got from Gregory and Jones in training camp. Then that unit turned out to be pretty mediocre.
So, to your question, OP, no, I'm totally not comfortable passing on a franchise QB (if that's what we think we've got) at #4. That said, my hopes that we'll upgrade the talent on defense relative to what we had last season are low, too. Hardy's as good as gone, the #4 is spoken for in my mind. We've got two of our three starting CBs up for grabs, and they weren't all that good to begin with, and now Gregory is suspended. Even if we spend the rest of the draft on defense, we're getting depth and will need time to find impact players. We do get Scandrick back, which is big. We'll probably pick up role players at S (maybe a Weddle, say) or LB (Durant or somebody like that). But we lost a lot of talent along the DL, too. I have a hard time seeing how I go into next season anywhere near as hopeful as I was going into the last one. It's kind of a bummer.

The defense is probably going to take at least 2 seasons to rebuild, if not more if they stick to their bargain bin FA shopping. It's why I don't care about an immediate impact at 4, because A.) They are going to have a roster full of holes no matter who the pick is and B.) Very few rookies are impact players immediately anyways.

They should do the best they can to give Romo and Witten a shot at a playoff run, but from what I saw last season it's time to start thinking heavily about the future. It can still be very bright if they hit on the QB. 3 years from now, we can still have a top OL in their prime, with a top WR to boot. Maybe a few defensive standouts if Lawrence, Jones and Crawford continue to improve. What I don't want is the team trying desperately to win in this small window while mortgaging the future on what looks to be a long shot. Get that next QB and you can both build for the future, while simultaneously building for another run with the short timers.
 
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