stasheroo;1964462 said:
I know someone had posted the number of times that Hall was beaten for touchdowns. And the number was huge. It may have been the number cruncher from ESPN.
And I have eyes as well. I've never seen a supposed 'Pro Bowl cornerback' get torched like Hall.
Sounds like you don't have any evidence backing up your contentions either. It's not about getting beat. It's about the number of times you get beat. It's about consistantly getting beaten. I've seen average players light Hall up like a Christmas tree, not just Owens or Johnson.
Again, it hasn't been just them. There have been plenty.
If you like Hall, that's fine. I don't. I see him as an overrated self-promoter who isn't nearly as good as he thinks he is.
And even if the Cowboys were to sign Springs, I don't think that stops them from drafting one.
I don't have his exact numbers to post but as I've pointed out, other than people being able to provide the evidence of Owens and Johnson routinely beating him no one, who has claimed to have seen him get cleaned up on by average WRs, seems to be able to produce the evidence either.
I don't have to provide the proof of average recievers beating him routinely, cause I don't believe there is such proof. I'm agreeing, whole heartedly, that Owens and Johnson can, and have, routinely eaten his lunch. So why would I provide further proof of them doing it when i agree with that?
If there are all these average guys killing Hall, all the time, and you've seen it, and know it, I'd like to see it. That's all I'm saying. I've never once said Hall was the best CB in the league and never once have I claimed that elite recievers like T.O. and Johnson can't beat him routinely.
I'm just saying that I do not believe and have never seen any evidence to believe that average recievers kill him and no one, whose made such a claim, has been able to provide proof of such things happening.
Again Hall is not the best CB in the league today, or ever, but he's easily a top 10 CB and I've yet to have anyone be able to prove otherwise on this other than to continue to harp that Owens and Johnson have eaten him up ( like they do all corners) and then a few try and claim they have seen and know that average recievers routinely burn him and yet those who say that have provided no evidence to show that has happened. I've seen the evidence that Johnson and Owens can do it. Nothing more.
So, again, this continues to come down to people bagging on the guy for attitude and the fact that elite recievers beat him. Which, once again, only makes me question if people bagged on other corners in the last 15 years who were considered anywhere from good to great when the elite recievers routinely destroyed them.
I can say all day long that Deion was a horrible corner, and no where near the top 15 in the league, cause Irvin used to routinely beat him for big plays, yards, and TDs but that would be stupid, and pointless, cause Irvin was elite. You won't find me trying to claim that average or below average recievers beat good/great corners routinely cause it doesn't happen.
Will they beat them on occassion? Sure, I have no doubt. But routinely, no. And unless someone can provide me with evidence to dispute that I see no reason to believe, just because someone doesn't like a particular player, to believe their claims that average or below average recievers routinely beat Hall and toast him.
