Skins pick up Erasmus James

[burmafrd]

James never showed a great work ethic in college. why should now be any different?

 

[AmishGangsta]

"Over the weekend several teams inquired with James' agents about putting in a waiver claim on the injured defensive end.

The Commanders were forced to act because off-season waiver claims are processed in reverse order of a team's record from the previous season, meaning 20 teams had priority over the Commanders. By making the conditional trade, the Commanders controlled James' rights."

I'm glad the Skins atleast attempted to find a project defensive end. A 7th rounder is not much to give up, there's plenty of them to go around.

some of you guys are a trip. haha

 

[Sonny#9]

I think it's a good move. Low risk, potential high reward. If he can stay healthy, a change of scenery might be just what the doctor ordered.

Scenery...and turf. Even the new, nicer field turf is hell on my knees. The grass at Fed Ex will be better for him.

There is nothing wrong with this move -- if he can't stay healthy or is worthless if he does -- then nothing lost.

But if he can play to even half of his potential, he's a steal.

 

[Sonny#9]

when will the skins bring in DEs who can actually rush the passer?

You mean other then Andre Carter?

 

[Pokes28]

Since he was a first round pick isn't his base salary going to be pretty hefty for a project?

David Harrell - Pokes
dwh

 

[cobra]

I think I finally figured it out. For some un-knowable reason, it looks like the Commanders are trying to field an "All-2005-NFL-Draft-Bust Team."

So far, they have the following first round busts from that draft on their roster:

Carlos Rogers (9th pick)
Erasmus James (18th pick)
Jason Campbell (25th pick+2006 1st round pick)

They should really try to acqurie Matt Jones, Troy Williamson or Mike Willaims to play for their 2005 Bust team.

 

[cobra]

way to keep trying to take a bash at them though.

I don't need "try" to bash them. Your team's ****tiness exists independently of any effort by me to point it out.

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

I don't need "try" to bash them. Your team's ****tiness exists independently of any effort by me to point it out.

Yet, you stretch just to try and take a small shot at the team. Campbell is a decent QB, and will show that more this season. Carlos, while having some lapses, is a decent CB, and has been improving.

I wouldn't expect you to be objective though.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You mean other then Andre Carter?

you know you need 2 pass-rushers, right? and Carter isn't that great

 

[cobra]

Campbell is a decent QB, and will show that more this season.

Sure... right. Campbell is Quincy Carter without the headcase problems. His pathetic accuracy will be highlighted by WCO quick-hit system. He was so decent that when he fell injured, a career backup came in and carried the team to the playoffs. Had JC stayed in at QB, he would have fumbled the teams' chances at the playoffs away as he did every time he was breathed on. But you have Zorn right? That'll fix everything? Because spare, worthless position coaches who have never called plays, been a coordinator, a heach coach, and who couldn't even sniff a promotion for over a decade are really good at coming and turning everything around--even when an offensive guru (Saunders) and a Hall of Fame coach who could win with any QB (Gibbs) failed. JC is a coach killer because he is garbage.

But, I hope you have faith he will finally quit consistently sucking. I really hope you commit long term to him. I will enjoy playing you guys for the next 12 years it takes him to learn a playbook and figure out how to read a NFL defense.

Carlos, while having some lapses, is a decent CB, and has been improving.

Decent? Improving? How so? Is he only giving up 10 yard cushions now instead of 15?

The guy was a top 10 pick. He has never come close to playing like a first round pick, much less a top 10 pick. A major bust.

Had he been drafted in the 4th round, his "decent" performance and "improvement" might be respectable. But a top 10 pick CB should be a shut down corner. He is a decent nickel corner at best.

I wouldn't expect you to be objective though.

Nah, I'll leave that to Joyner.... whose metrics agree with me.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

"Over the weekend several teams inquired with James' agents about putting in a waiver claim on the injured defensive end.

The Commanders were forced to act because off-season waiver claims are processed in reverse order of a team's record from the previous season, meaning 20 teams had priority over the Commanders. By making the conditional trade, the Commanders controlled James' rights."

I'm glad the Skins atleast attempted to find a project defensive end. A 7th rounder is not much to give up, there's plenty of them to go around.

some of you guys are a trip. haha

Kyle: "just give them anything, he just doesn't want to look like an idiot"

head of the World Trade Union: "well, we could give them a small consolation"

Kyle: "they'll give you something small, and then will you call off the strike?"

Steven Abootman: "will they act like they're giving us alot?"

I know it probably didn't go down like that, but it's still funny to think about

 

[Sonny#9]

Sure... right. Campbell is Quincy Carter without the headcase problems. His pathetic accuracy will be highlighted by WCO quick-hit system. He was so decent that when he fell injured, a career backup came in and carried the team to the playoffs. Had JC stayed in at QB, he would have fumbled the teams' chances at the playoffs away as he did every time he was breathed on.


But you have Zorn right? That'll fix everything? Because spare, worthless position coaches who have never called plays, been a coordinator, a heach coach, and who couldn't even sniff a promotion for over a decade are really good at coming and turning everything around--even when an offensive guru (Saunders) and a Hall of Fame coach who could win with any QB (Gibbs) failed. JC is a coach killer because he is garbage.

This is my favorite argument from the sloped-foreheaded, Neanderthal "Cowboys good...Commanders bad" crowd (and for the record, yes Skins fans are that way too, as are Iggle fans, Giants fans etc). Even discounting the drug problem, Campbell's number far exceed Quincy Carter. Only truly ignorant homers make this argument.

As for the Collins argument -- yes, he did play very well. He played well up until the Seattle game. He also didn't face a pass defense higher then 25th in the league, until the Cowboys. He has also been in the same offense for 10 years. The offensive line played significantly better then they did for Campbell. Possibly b/c the right side of the line was injured in the 1st 2 weeks of the season. But one would have to look past a box score to know those sort of things.

But, I hope you have faith he will finally quit consistently sucking. I really hope you commit long term to him. I will enjoy playing you guys for the next 12 years it takes him to learn a playbook and figure out how to read a NFL defense.

KC Joyner's metrics point out Campbell is a pretty good decision maker. So that would lead one to believe, well one that can see beyond the emblem on a helmet, that he can ready a defense just fine. But don't let logic or facts get in the way of your rants. They are rather entertaining.

Decent? Improving? How so? Is he only giving up 10 yard cushions now instead of 15?

He is a decent nickel corner at best.

Nah, I'll leave that to Joyner.... whose metrics agree with me.

Care to post a link more recent then 2006?

 

[cobra]

Even discounting the drug problem, Campbell's number far exceed Quincy Carter. Only truly ignorant homers make this argument.

You sure about that?

2003 QC: 57.8%, 3302 yards, 206 yd/g, 6,5 yd/a, 17 TDs, 1.5 Turnovers/game
2007 JC: 60%, 2700 yards, 207.7 yd/g, 6.5 yd/a, 12 TDs, 1.46 Turnovers/game

And I would note that JC was in the second year of an offense with an offensive guru, Saunders, calling the plays and with Portis as his running back. 2003, QC was in his first year of Maurice Carthon's offense with Hambrick as his running back. And, oh yeah, QC led his team to the playoffs. JC had to have his backup come in and run the table in order to squeak into the playoffs.

So keep telling yourself they are different QBs. They aren't. They are identical. Both have great arms and athleticism. Both tease with an impressive play sandwiched in between 4 below average plays. Both couldn't hit a WR in stride with any degree of consistency if their lives depended on it. Both have horrible short accuracy. Both have cannons deep, but tend to thrown it flat and overthrow. Both read offenses slowly. Both struggle to learn playbooks. Both have speech issues which made it difficult for their teams to understand what they are saying all the time. Both wear #17. Both were traded up for and drafted WAY ahead of where they should have been.

 

[Sonny#9]

2003 -- 16 Games -- QC: 57.8%, 3302 yards, 206 yd/g, 6,5 yd/a, 17 TDs, 1.5 Turnovers/game
2007 -- 13 games -- JC: 60%, 2700 yards, 207.7 yd/g, 6.5 yd/a, 12 TDs, 1.46 Turnovers/game

One minor stat you ignored, I am sure there are more. And where do you get that turn over number? Per ESPN -- Campbell has thrown 17 INTs and lost 1 fumble in 20 games. A turnover rate of .9 per game. Carter meanwhile has 41 turnovers 37 INTs and 4 lost fumbles in 37 games, for a rate of 1.11 per game.

And I would note that JC was in the second year of an offense with an offensive guru, Saunders, calling the plays and with Portis as his running back. 2003, QC was in his first year of Maurice Carthon's offense with Hambrick as his running back. And, oh yeah, QC led his team to the playoffs. JC had to have his backup come in and run the table in order to squeak into the playoffs.

Wow, there's an original thought. But again, an incomplete picture. Carter was buoyed by the #1 ranked defense in the league. Not to mention, had a ridiculously easy schedule in '03. So lets be honest, who got who where. In 16 games that season, Carter threw 21 INTs to 17 TDs. He tried his best to test that defense. In 20 games, Campbell has throw 17 INTs total. Thats 4 fewer INTs in 4 more games. I'd say he reads a defense just fine. Since you obviously missed this point earlier -- KC Joyner's metrics agree

Both wear #17. Both were traded up for...

Those are the only similarities. Many people in the league believe Campbell is going to be a good QB. After getting released by the Cowboys Carter played in 7 games with the Jets in '04. And then was out of the league. Many people thought the Skins trading up for Campbell was a good move. No one though drafting Carter in the 2nd rnd was a good move.

Until you bring something to the table that shows you have some football knowledge, save it. I won't be drawn into an endless flame war.

 

[Sonny#9]

you know you need 2 pass-rushers, right? and Carter isn't that great

I'll take that as a yes. And putting up 10.5 sacks -- when no one else had more then 5, I'd say he's pretty good...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'll take that as a yes. And putting up 10.5 sacks -- when no one else had more then 5, I'd say he's pretty good...

that's about right

you still need 2 pass-rushers