Slant Pattern Question

[glimmerman]

So what's our success rate when we do?

They would have to do it first.

 

[DCreppinBoysfan]

I’m sick of throwing quickly to the outside receiver. We don’t have the blocking scheme it’s a wasted play.

Not about blocking all the time. Wilson and Cobb used to beast on that throw. Some wrs jsut know how to play one on one in space. Just have to be elusive or strong

 

[Flamma]

I was referring to the second interception against GB. As you say the Safety appeared to move forward movement as soon as CeeDee made the cut.
The question still comes back to...why does it always seem to be this play that gets picked off and more importantly how do we eradicate the play (with the same personnel or additions).
Eg would/could Washington be used on that play (once we practice squad Talbot).

I just looked at it again. I found a better replay. There had to be some kind of miscommunication there. That's an easy reception if Lamb just turns inward. The timing was good on that play. Either Lamb didn't know the play, or didn't want to get hit. Just my opinion.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I just looked at it again. I found a better replay. There had to be some kind of miscommunication there. That's an easy reception if Lamb just turns inward. The timing was good on that play. Either Lamb didn't know the play, or didn't want to get hit. Just my opinion.

One of my posts agree's that he appeared to cut in, saw the Safety move up and freelanced to the secondary route down the field. That's why I question CeeDee's physicality and whether we have other receivers in the corp (maybe Washington) better suited on that route.

 

[Flamma]

One of my posts agree's that he appeared to cut in, saw the Safety move up and freelanced to the secondary route down the field. That's why I question CeeDee's physicality and whether we have other receivers in the corp (maybe Washington) better suited on that route.

I remember that post too. You might be right on that. Lamb did a similar thing against Chicago. Dak just won't trust him to run that route.

In real time both picks looked terrible. But both are catchable passes if Lamb sticks his nose in there.

 

[RS12]

3) Have thought over the recent years that Dak has a tendency to throw behind a slant run.

Danny White agrees.

 

[FVSTONE]

Fed up of adding this point to every thread, so here goes......

Has anyone got completion rates (over the past 3 years) on slant patterns involving CeeDee and other receivers.

The reason I ask is that:
1) CeeDee doesnt execute his routes with precision.
2) CeeDee's size and preference for open spaces indicates he's not going to contest balls...and may result in his pulling out of certain routes.
3) Have thought over the recent years that Dak has a tendency to throw behind a slant run.
4) I attributed this, in part to Dak's injuries.....but it's continued this year.
5) So question is do the stats infer it's a Dak/CeeDee issue (then change the receiver making the slant).
6) Does Dak have problem connecting with other WR's on timed slant patterns?

For me I dont care who's to blame, what I dont like is that we continue to do the same thing, with the same cast......sh@t or get off the pot with the play.

We cant view these passes as being indicative of poor communication, Dak being blamed or CeeDee being blamed..... they went 11/15 (73%) 150 yards ave of 13.6....its more indicative of players being asked (by KM) to run plays they arent suited to.

.....and rest.

Kurt Warner showed the world how slow Prescot was with his reads and pointed out Prescot's inabilities to release the ball in a timely manner. This has been the TOAD HUNTER's problem his whole career. Prescot doesn't have that next gear in himself, he's hit his ceiling and there ain't no more! We're stuck with a clueless, overpaid, over hyped QB that has to go!

 

[CowboyoWales]

I remember that post too. You might be right on that. Lamb did a similar thing against Chicago. Dak just won't trust him to run that route.

In real time both picks looked terrible. But both are catchable passes if Lamb sticks his nose in there.

So taking that as a position, which I assume is supported by the presumption that the play works perfectly in practice, shouldnt they (in game day situation) assess which of the elements isnt working. We've got the 'scientific control' as Dak is the QB for at least the next couple of seasons, so run the same play with another WR (Gallup, or call up Washington).....if that works then happy days, if it doesnt then either cut the play or KM changes the out situation that suits the receiver in the play.

 

[Flamma]

So taking that as a position, which I assume is supported by the presumption that the play works perfectly in practice, shouldnt they (in game day situation) assess which of the elements isnt working. We've got the 'scientific control' as Dak is the QB for at least the next couple of seasons, so run the same play with another WR (Gallup, or call up Washington).....if that works then happy days, if it doesnt then either cut the play or KM changes the out situation that suits the receiver in the play.

I think you're describing what probably normally happens. Of course we know why it works in practice. No one is going to level their teammate. But in a real game? It can be a little unnerving going over the middle like that. Any hesitation just blows it up. They'll just naturally try other players on that route. And if it happens again, Dak just won't throw it to him running that route. That is if he hasn't lost his trust already.

I played WR my entire youth. I found several things different about playing in full uniform as opposed to sandlot football with just a few pads and no helmet.

Going over the middle not wearing a helmet isn't scary at all. You have more vision. With a helmet cuts your vision to some extent. Think of it like this. Running across a highway on a clear night, as opposed to a foggy night. It takes some courage.

Shoulder pads. I'm sure they've improved shoulder pads since the 80s. But sometimes I see signs of the same thing. It's harder to bring your arms together wearing shoulder pads. You're fighting the pads to close your hands if you're reaching up or out.

Catching a deep pass wearing a helmet. You have to be aware of your facemask or the ball is just going to bounce right off that mask in certain situations.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I think you're describing what probably normally happens. Of course we know why it works in practice. No one is going to level their teammate. But in a real game? It can be a little unnerving going over the middle like that. Any hesitation just blows it up. They'll just naturally try other players on that route. And if it happens again, Dak just won't throw it to him running that route. That is if he hasn't lost his trust already.

I played WR my entire youth. I found several things different about playing in full uniform as opposed to sandlot football with just a few pads and no helmet.

Going over the middle not wearing a helmet isn't scary at all. You have more vision. With a helmet cuts your vision to some extent. Think of it like this. Running across a highway on a clear night, as opposed to a foggy night. It takes some courage.

Shoulder pads. I'm sure they've improved shoulder pads since the 80s. But sometimes I see signs of the same thing. It's harder to bring your arms together wearing shoulder pads. You're fighting the pads to close your hands if you're reaching up or out.

Catching a deep pass wearing a helmet. You have to be aware of your facemask or the ball is just going to bounce right off that mask in certain situations.

You have mentioned playing WR once or twice before.
Unlike most on here I'm not looking at finding fault, much more interested in using personnel to their strengths.
CeeDee (and Dak for that matter) have their pluses (excellent stats vrs GB), however, this play isn't it. Now there could be a number of issues why and apportioning blame doesn't really matter, what does matter is that the problems eradicated.
Nobody appears to have the stats on Dak throwing this play to other receivers....but that's one of the options, send Gallup on that route and see if we get different results.

 

[Flamma]

You have mentioned playing WR once or twice before.
Unlike most on here I'm not looking at finding fault, much more interested in using personnel to their strengths.
CeeDee (and Dak for that matter) have their pluses (excellent stats vrs GB), however, this play isn't it. Now there could be a number of issues why and apportioning blame doesn't really matter, what does matter is that the problems eradicated.
Nobody appears to have the stats on Dak throwing this play to other receivers....but that's one of the options, send Gallup on that route and see if we get different results.

There's really no way to know how to eradicate the problem. A QB has to know their WRs. Remember the story Aikman told? When Irvin switched with Harper. Aikman knew Irvin would get across the DBs face, but Irvin wasn't there. He just had to trust Alvin. It's a trust issue.