Sleepin' on Delpit?

[CalPolyTechnique]

Same

I think it’s absolutely comical you don’t like Murray but you like a safety that missed more than 25% of his tackles.

I mean, didn’t you read that in his scouting report?

 

[cnuball21]

I think it’s absolutely comical you don’t like Murray but you like a safety that missed more than 25% of his tackles.

I mean, didn’t you read that in his scouting report?

Similar to LBr, I highly value a S's instincts which are + with Delpit.

I agree the tackling issues are concerning, but if we're asking him to play FS it's a bit less of a concern and is more coachable than instincts. He also has almost double the stops over his career than McKinney has which helps ease the concern.

I don't love Delpit at 17, but if the board is wiped out I like it a heck of a lot more than Murray partially due to S being a much bigger need.

 

[vnick]

If we pass on Delpit at 17, and he's there at the top of the second, I hope we find a way to trade up and grab him.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Similar to LBr, I highly value a S's instincts which are + with Delpit.

I agree the tackling issues are concerning, but if we're asking him to play FS it's a bit less of a concern and is more coachable than instincts. He also has almost double the stops over his career than McKinney has which helps ease the concern.

I don't love Delpit at 17, but if the board is wiped out I like it a heck of a lot more than Murray partially due to S being a much bigger need.

What’s the saying about tackling? That it’s 90% effort and heart. There is no instructional video or coaching that is going to make him have a eureka moment and transform him into Ronnie Lott.

I look at his perceived abilities differently. The number of opportunities he will be required to participate and actually make a tackle probably outweigh the actually instances he could be involved in a turnover probably 15-to-1, maybe even 20-to-1.

I don’t expect every safety to be Darren Woodson or Ronnie Lott, but counting on a guy that missed 25% tackles one season and then 20% the next is obscene.

 

[JeffInDC]

Id take him at 17 over Kenneth Murray or Trevon Diggs

Somebody (hopefully Dallas) is gonna get one hell of a player in this kid......and he’s probably gonna have one hell of a chip on his shoulder for getting picked lower than most thought he would a year ago.

 

[cnuball21]

What’s the saying about tackling? That it’s 90% effort and heart. There is no instructional video or coaching that is going to make him have a eureka moment and transform him into Ronnie Lott.

I look at his perceived abilities differently. The number of opportunities he will be required to participate and actually make a tackle probably outweigh the actually instances he could be involved in a turnover probably 15-to-1, maybe even 20-to-1.

I don’t expect every safety to be Darren Woodson or Ronnie Lott, but counting on a guy that missed 25% tackles one season and then 20% the next is obscene.

It could be...but questioning the dudes effort and heart is completely opinion and your discrediting the amount of stops he has which is factual.

Id agree with you if there were players / coaches / scouts that did question his effort and heart but I’m not aware of any that have. He’s also played through injury which is something to note.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

A lot of players had really good 2018 seasons, but not not so great in 2019. That doesn't really work for me, as a justification to draft them in 1. I want the play to be ascending, not descending

He played hurt last year though.

 

[beware_d-ware]

I have seen nothing on tape to suggest that Delpit was dogging it, and have heard nothing to suggest that he was dogging it. Like Cnu said, he played through pain all year.

If you're looking for a possible explanation for his missed tackles, there was one scout on Bob McGinn's scouting writeup who said that Delpit misses a bunch of tackles because he is too stiff to break down. (and I don't really see him as stiff).

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

It could be...but questioning the dudes effort and heart is completely opinion and your discrediting the amount of stops he has which is factual.

Id agree with you if there were players / coaches / scouts that did question his effort and heart but I’m not aware of any that have. He’s also played through injury which is something to note.

Right, but you speak to heart and effort but apparently you can with instincts. That’s rich.

Here’s a fact: 38 missed tackles in the past two seasons.

If you want to point to tackle totals to somehow buttress your argument than same can be said about Murray.

 

[DanA]

Diggs, Delpit, Ruiz and Justin Jefferson would be my four trade down targets. I’d be a little underwhelmed at 17 but mid 20’s I’d be very happy.

 

[cnuball21]

Right, but you speak to heart and effort but apparently you can with instincts. That’s rich.

Here’s a fact: 38 missed tackles in the past two seasons.

If you want to point to tackle totals to somehow buttress your argument than same can be said about Murray.

But this isn’t just what I think. Instincts is a red flag on multiple scouting reports on Murray...not just one. I could be wrong, but I haven’t seen or read anything about Delpits heart / effort as a red flag.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

TOUCHDOWN OLE MISS!!!

 

[Carson]

Diggs, Delpit, Ruiz and Justin Jefferson would be my four trade down targets. I’d be a little underwhelmed at 17 but mid 20’s I’d be very happy.

Jefferson would make the offense take the step to the next level

 

[xwalker]

I see Delpit as low as the 3rd round in some mocks !! Crazy how things get overhyped the closer we get to the draft. I still think he is the best Safety in this class and will always be a playmaker. We have been clamoring for a playmaker at S for years.

Delpits 2018 tape, before INJURIES was superb. He would have been a very high pick. I have a feeling that when he is 100% he will be fine. I hope we don't miss out on something special. A big question is when do we pull the trigger.

Delpit was not a better Safety in college than McKinney.

Delpit is a measurable(s) guy (big and fast) but his developed skills in all areas are behind McKinney.

 

[xwalker]

TOUCHDOWN OLE MISS!!!

Good example of Delpit's biggest issue.

This is exactly the type of issue that Cowboys fans have spent years moaning about with regards to Jeff Heath.

He takes bad angles especially when up near the line.

Even when he takes the correct angle his tackling technique is poor.

He is a physical player and does not appear to intentionally avoid contact but bad angles and poor tackling technique are a big concern.

Despite good measurable(s) he did not show enough wow coverage ability to make-up for the poor tackling issue.

 

[xwalker]

I can see him being a slightly better version of Ha Ha in the NFL. Ha Ha has made some travels, but his pass defense at this level has been good to very good. His run defense is what has made him a well traveled player. Ha Ha is getting staring gigs every year, but is he ever going to get a deal longer than a year? This could be Delpit's fate. He could be in the Clinton-Dix/Tre Boston class of S's

He has a lot of similarities to Jeff Heath...

Good size and speed.
Heath 6-2, 212, 4.48 forty
Delpit 6-2 ,213, 4.39 forty

Both have issues with angles in run defense which get worse the closer they are to the line.

Both are physical players that are not afraid to hit people but despite good size are better at FS than SS.

Both lack fluidity despite very good measurable(s).

 

[darthseinfeld]

But this isn’t just what I think. Instincts is a red flag on multiple scouting reports on Murray...not just one. I could be wrong, but I haven’t seen or read anything about Delpits heart / effort as a red flag.

Film and scouting reports dont always line up. Ive some ridiculously inaccurate scouting reports from very reputable places over the years. And multiple scouting reports repeating the same inaccurate information. Text scouting reports are just not reliable

 

[Canada180]

Just a point of interest....McKinney missed a fair amount of tackles . That number will need to come down scouts have said. Not saying he is in Delpits area in that regard but the two may be closer than thought if injuries played a role in Delpits problems.

 

[tyke1doe]

I heard he once hit a tackling dummy and it laughed at him.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Just a point of interest....McKinney missed a fair amount of tackles . That number will need to come down scouts have said. Not saying he is in Delpits area in that regard but the two may be closer than thought if injuries played a role in Delpits problems.

All defensive players miss tackles.

Some more than others.

Delpit is on the obscene end of that range.

38 missed tackles the past two seasons.