Sleepin' on Delpit?

[Canada180]

179 lb

All defensive players miss tackles.

Some more than others.

Delpit is on the obscene end of that range.

38 missed tackles the past two seasons.

Can we attribute a measure of Delpits misses on a bum shoulder and ankle sprain? I don't know the answer. I have a feeling some percentage were.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

179 lb

Can we attribute a measure of Delpits misses on a bum shoulder and ankle sprain? I don't know the answer. I have a feeling some percentage were.

Delpit himself has said it wasn't an issue.

The vast majority of these are instincts and positioning.

 

[tyke1doe]

Delpit himself has said it wasn't an issue.

The vast majority of these are instincts and positioning.

Gotta admit, based on those tapes, you make a pretty strong case. He was absolutely awful against Ole Miss.
I wonder if he just wasn't tuned in because it was, well, Ole Miss. But the tape doesn't speak well for him - that's for sure!

 

[cnuball21]

Film and scouting reports dont always line up. Ive some ridiculously inaccurate scouting reports from very reputable places over the years. And multiple scouting reports repeating the same inaccurate information. Text scouting reports are just not reliable

Scouting reports have always and will always whiff on players...that’s what makes it fun. But the the guys that are good at it are basing the reports off of film.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Gotta admit, based on those tapes, you make a pretty strong case. He was absolutely awful against Ole Miss.
I wonder if he just wasn't tuned in because it was, well, Ole Miss. But the tape doesn't speak well for him - that's for sure!

Well, that's the thing.

All defensive players miss tackles.

With Delpit it is a fundamental problem.

People, whether right or wrong, loved to hate on Heath for all the missed tackles and poor angles of pursuit.

Delpit ain't fixing that.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Here's a little nugget to nibble on:



We talk about Delpit being better in coverage and McKinney being the better run defender but Delpit almost has double the run stops McKinney has for their career. So yes, the missed tackles are a concern, but maybe his instincts also put him in more position to make stops than other players so it balances out a bit? Something to think about.

This thing about Delpit not tackling is way over blown. He is clearly the best safety this year in the draft and it's not even close. You want turnovers from the secondary or a safety that makes players on the ball, than you want Delpit. If Delpit falls to the 2nd or 3rd round it will be the biggest steal in draft history. Teams will be sorry they didn't draft Delpit

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

This thing about Delpit not tackling is way over blown. He is clearly the best safety this year in the draft and it's not even close. You want turnovers from the secondary or a safety that makes players on the ball, than you want Delpit. If Delpit falls to the 2nd or 3rd round it will be the biggest steal in draft history. Teams will be sorry they didn't draft Delpit

Right on bro.

Check-out the Delpit: Once in a Lifetime Safety thread. There’s play after play examples of him proving the tackling criticism is overblown.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/delpit-once-in-a-lifetime-safety.456322/

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Here's a little nugget to nibble on:



We talk about Delpit being better in coverage and McKinney being the better run defender but Delpit almost has double the run stops McKinney has for their career. So yes, the missed tackles are a concern, but maybe his instincts also put him in more position to make stops than other players so it balances out a bit? Something to think about.

Cool stat bro.

This stat fails to mention Delpit played 11 more games than McKinney.

lol.

 

[cnuball21]

Cool stat bro.

This stat fails to mention Delpit played 11 more games than McKinney.

lol.

So give McKinney another 11 games broooooo...Even if that makes it equal if I find it interesting it’s that close for McKinney being someone that’s supped to be a better tackler.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

So give McKinney another 11 games broooooo...Even if that makes it equal if I find it interesting it’s that close for McKinney being someone that’s supped to be a better tackler.

Why would you think run stops directly correlates to tackling ability? It speaks in large part to usage i.e. how Delpit was being used. The reality is LSU had Delpit playing a ton in the box.

It’s also comical that you don’t think 11 extra games has an impact on the total numbers.

Lastly, looking at tackle totals, be it run stops or any sort is a naive way of surmising tackling ability.

That’s just as inane as concluding Jameis Winston is the best passer in the league because he threw for more yards than anyone else.

 

[Xavier187]

If he is there at 51 and we pass on him.
Then everyone should riot.
Just like Fulton if he is there or McKinney
Js

 

[cnuball21]

Why would you think run stops directly correlates to tackling ability? It speaks in large part to usage i.e. how Delpit was being used. The reality is LSU had Delpit playing a ton in the box.

It’s also comical that you don’t think 11 extra games has an impact on the total numbers.

I showed the stop stat to showcase that Delpit can impact the run game. Never said it correlates to him being a good tackler...and I directly stated he needs to become a better tackler.

I also just stated give McKinney another 11 games to make it even so I don’t understand what you’re getting at there.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I showed the stop stat to showcase that Delpit can impact the run game. Never said it correlates to him being a good tackler...and I directly stated he needs to become a better tackler.

I also just stated give McKinney another 11 games to make it even so I don’t understand what you’re getting at there.

You plainly called-out the difference in the total number of run stops Delpit has over McKinney as a point of emphasis. You obvious forgot to account for the difference in the number of games played in the resulting sum totals in your original post, so please don’t feign ignorance.

You then alluded to his supposed instincts possibly correlating with those tackle numbers.

I would suggest you visit the link below to review Delpit’s “instincts” in action.
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/delpit-once-in-a-lifetime-safety.456322/

 

[cnuball21]

You plainly called-out the difference in the total number of run stops Delpit has over McKinney as a point of emphasis. You obvious forgot to account for the difference in the number of games played in the resulting sum totals in your original post, so please don’t feign ignorance.

Then you alluded to his supposed instincts possibly correlating with those tackle numbers.

I would suggest you visit to review Delpit’s “instincts” in action.
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/delpit-once-in-a-lifetime-safety.456322/

And then I acknowledged giving McKinney more games to catch up and how it’s still an interesting number.

I get it, you don’t like the player. Just ignore my posts and don’t respond.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Why would you think run stops directly correlates to tackling ability? It speaks in large part to usage i.e. how Delpit was being used. The reality is LSU had Delpit playing a ton in the box.

Delpit played 18% of his snaps in the box last year. McKinney played about 40%

Even if he played 11 more games than McKinney, he's still getting half the usage near the LOS.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Delpit played 18% of his snaps in the box last year. McKinney played about 40%

Even if he played 11 more games than McKinney, he's still getting half the usage near the LOS.

And check-out Delpit’s sophomore and junior seasons. They were using Delpit much in the same way Derwin James was used at FSU.

 

[beware_d-ware]

And check-out Delpit’s sophomore and junior seasons. They were using Delpit much in the same way Derwin James was used at FSU.

Delpit was a junior last year....

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Delpit was a junior last year....

Sorry, sophomore season.

 

[jnday]

Here's a little nugget to nibble on:



We talk about Delpit being better in coverage and McKinney being the better run defender but Delpit almost has double the run stops McKinney has for their career. So yes, the missed tackles are a concern, but maybe his instincts also put him in more position to make stops than other players so it balances out a bit? Something to think about.

Maybe he is just the best bad tackler. Kinda like the pile of manure that stinks the least.

 

[jnday]

Diggs, Delpit, Ruiz and Justin Jefferson would be my four trade down targets. I’d be a little underwhelmed at 17 but mid 20’s I’d be very happy.

If no trade-down partner is available, I would take Ruiz and never look back. Solidifying the center position for the next 10 years with a big, smart , nasty guy like Ruiz is a win anyway you look at it.