Slotting the 30 Visit Players

[xwalker]

I looked up 12 different big boards, and took the average ranking for each player based on those 12 different big boards. Here is how the average Big Board ranking stands for the Cowboys 30 players who visited the Cowboys

13.9	WR	Quentin Johnson	TCU
26.8	OT	Darnell Wright	Tennessee
32.9	WR	Zay Flowers	Boston College
40.2	CB	Emmanuel Forbes	Mississippi State
42.9	WR	Josh Downs	North Carolina
44.1	LB	Trenton Simpson	Clemson
45.2	TE	Darnell Washington	Georgia
45.2	LB	Drew Sanders	Arkansas
49.4	WR	Jalin Hyatt	Tennessee
49.8	EDGE	Will McDonald	Iowa State
53.3	DT	Mazi Smith	Michigan
77.7	OG	Steve Avila	TCU
79.4	CB	Tyrique Stevenson	Miami
80.8	TE	Tucker Kraft	South Dakota State
106.4	RB	Zach Evans	Ole Miss
109.5	DT	Jaquelin Roy	LSU
111.3	LB	DeMarvion Overshown	Texas
112.1	WR	Jonathan Mingo	Ole Miss
131.6	RB	Kendre Miller	TCU
161.2	TE	Cameron Latu	Alabama
164.4	LB/S	Marte Mapu	Sacramento State
190.0	QB	Clayton Tune	Houston
192.2	DT	Viliami Fehoko	San Jose State
209.6	TE	Payne Durham	Purdue
216.3	OG	Atonio Mafi	UCLA
221.1	DT	Tyler Lacy	Oklahoma State
258.5	TE	Brayden Willis	Oklahoma
315.6	EDGE	B.J. Thompson	Stephen F. Austin
416.0	OG	Ilm Manning	Hawaii
428.0	LB	Durrell Johnson	Liberty

I do not love the "first round caliber" players we brought in for 30.

Hoping for smokescreen strategy

The Cowboys 1st round pick that past 3 years was not on the visit list.

If they don't have any questions about a player, then they don't really need to bring that player in for a visit.

If Zack Martin was in this draft, they would NOT really need to bring him in for a visit even if they expected him to be available.
- The world knew he would move to OG and be an elite player with top notch character and work-ethic.

Michael Mayer is a Zack Martin type player in that respect.

 

[xwalker]

All it takes is one team to like the player better than the average ranking to make them get picked higher.

It's about probabilities.

If there is a 10% chance a team over-drafts a player, that's not a high probability of happening.

 

[xwalker]

All it takes is one team to like the player better than the average ranking to make them get picked higher.

Not knocking your work. I appreciate the thead and your efforts.

I'm just saying that might want to remove the rankings for anybody that has QJ in the top 16...


Brugler has QJ at #34 in The Beast.

McShay's tier rankings had him at #26 also.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/mcshay-prospect-tiers.509980/

 

[Malhavoc]

Can’t wait til the 1st night is over and we end up taking someone that really has NOT been on our radar. And this board goes in to melt down mode.

 

[America's Cowboy]

The Cowboys 1st round pick that past 3 years was not on the visit list.

If they don't have any questions about a player, then they don't really need to bring that player in for a visit.

If Zack Martin was in this draft, they would NOT really need to bring him in for a visit even if they expected him to be available.
- The world knew he would move to OG and be an elite player with top notch character and work-ethic.

Michael Mayer is a Zack Martin type player in that respect.

Agreed. ..... Except, Cowboys don't need another TE.

I believe the Cowboys 1st pick will be either a RB, WR or DT not included in their 30 player visits.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Can’t wait til the 1st night is over and we end up taking someone that really has NOT been on our radar. And this board goes in to melt down mode.

LOL. That's what I'm thinking. Look at my previous post. ^^^^

 

[Malhavoc]

LOL. That's what I'm thinking. Look at my previous post. ^^^^

I literally sit and eat my popcorn as folks lose they damn mind and call for Jerry and his son’s head. All that when the last 3 1st round picks are Lamb, Parsons, and Smith.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I literally sit and eat my popcorn as folks lose they damn mind and call for Jerry and his son’s head. All that when the last 3 1st round picks are Lamb, Parsons, and Smith.

LOOOOOL!!!!

Same here. :-D

 

[vlad]

I looked up 12 different big boards, and took the average ranking for each player based on those 12 different big boards. Here is how the average Big Board ranking stands for the Cowboys 30 players who visited the Cowboys

13.9	WR	Quentin Johnson	TCU
26.8	OT	Darnell Wright	Tennessee
32.9	WR	Zay Flowers	Boston College
40.2	CB	Emmanuel Forbes	Mississippi State
42.9	WR	Josh Downs	North Carolina
44.1	LB	Trenton Simpson	Clemson
45.2	TE	Darnell Washington	Georgia
45.2	LB	Drew Sanders	Arkansas
49.4	WR	Jalin Hyatt	Tennessee
49.8	EDGE	Will McDonald	Iowa State
53.3	DT	Mazi Smith	Michigan
77.7	OG	Steve Avila	TCU
79.4	CB	Tyrique Stevenson	Miami
80.8	TE	Tucker Kraft	South Dakota State
106.4	RB	Zach Evans	Ole Miss
109.5	DT	Jaquelin Roy	LSU
111.3	LB	DeMarvion Overshown	Texas
112.1	WR	Jonathan Mingo	Ole Miss
131.6	RB	Kendre Miller	TCU
161.2	TE	Cameron Latu	Alabama
164.4	LB/S	Marte Mapu	Sacramento State
190.0	QB	Clayton Tune	Houston
192.2	DT	Viliami Fehoko	San Jose State
209.6	TE	Payne Durham	Purdue
216.3	OG	Atonio Mafi	UCLA
221.1	DT	Tyler Lacy	Oklahoma State
258.5	TE	Brayden Willis	Oklahoma
315.6	EDGE	B.J. Thompson	Stephen F. Austin
416.0	OG	Ilm Manning	Hawaii
428.0	LB	Durrell Johnson	Liberty

Thanks for the effort

 

[xwalker]

Can’t wait til the 1st night is over and we end up taking someone that really has NOT been on our radar. And this board goes in to melt down mode.

I literally sit and eat my popcorn as folks lose they damn mind and call for Jerry and his son’s head. All that when the last 3 1st round picks are Lamb, Parsons, and Smith.

My last major meltdown was when Parcells didn't draft Witten in the 2nd round.

I had wanted them to trade back into the last 1st to draft him. When they skipped him in the 2nd I cussed Parcells...

 

[Carson]

Can’t wait til the 1st night is over and we end up taking someone that really has NOT been on our radar. And this board goes in to melt down mode.

It’ll be Steve Avila lol

 

[Jumbo075]

Not knocking your work. I appreciate the thead and your efforts.

I'm just saying that might want to remove the rankings for anybody that has QJ in the top 16...


Brugler has QJ at #n34 in The Beast.

McShay's tier rankings had him at #26 also.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/mcshay-prospect-tiers.509980/

Didn't take your comment as criticism. I agree that a lot of the players on the list could go higher, and also that Quintin Johnston is likely to go lower. I've been hearing that a lot of clubs only have one 1st ground rated Wide Receiver. The way I'm interpreting the Cowboys list is that they have a group of receivers ranked in the low 1st to high 2nd round range, and that they think that may be where the value in this draft is for them at #26. I think Johnston is overrated also, but if he falls to 26, the Cowboys could take him. They don't have a true X receiver in the mold of Dez Bryant on the team. Personally, I think Cedric Tillman could turn into a decent X receiver, but he doesn't appear to be on the Cowboys list.

I've said in another thread, I think the Cowboys should try to trade down, but remain in the 1st round if possible. Perhaps the Saints, or the Chiefs would like to move up and grab a falling player. Another option is they get a couple of pick to move down into the top of the second round, but if I was the Cowboys, I'd charge a premium to move out of the 1st round. Since the Bills and Bengals both pick right after the Cowboys, they might even be able to get a little draft capital if both teams want the same player - since they are AFC rivals at this point.

I've always said it only takes one team to think more highly of a player. The Raiders and Patriots have a habit of overdrafting players pretty regularly, and not just in the first round.

 

[UncleBlazer]

Guys I love off that list are:

Marte Mapu, Atonio Mafi, Brayden Willis.

I'm bracing myself for (personal) disappointment.

Tell me a little bit about Mapu. Doesn’t look like he tested. What’s some of his strengths.

 

[Mr_437]

Guys I love off that list are:

Marte Mapu, Atonio Mafi, Brayden Willis.

I'm bracing myself for (personal) disappointment.

Where did you find tape on Mapu?

 

[KingintheNorth]

Tell me a little bit about Mapu. Doesn’t look like he tested. What’s some of his strengths.

He reminds me of the 49ers Talanoa Hufanga. Coincidentally,NFL.com has them scored 5.98 and 5.99. They are both guys who don’t hit all the athletic metrics you’d prefer but they constantly show up and make plays. Mapu is bigger and that’s why I think he’s be ideal for Quinn’s third Safety slash Will Backer spot. Think how he wanted to use Keanu Neal and how Jayron Kearse is utilized. Mapu was a high school quarterback and it shows. He still has some work to do on defense, but he’s smart, aggressive as hell, and will probably be a stellar Special Teams guy from the get-go.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Where did you find tape on Mapu?

I watched him live. Both in college and high school.

 

[garyv]

I looked up 12 different big boards, and took the average ranking for each player based on those 12 different big boards. Here is how the average Big Board ranking stands for the Cowboys 30 players who visited the Cowboys

13.9	WR	Quentin Johnson	TCU
26.8	OT	Darnell Wright	Tennessee
32.9	WR	Zay Flowers	Boston College
40.2	CB	Emmanuel Forbes	Mississippi State
42.9	WR	Josh Downs	North Carolina
44.1	LB	Trenton Simpson	Clemson
45.2	TE	Darnell Washington	Georgia
45.2	LB	Drew Sanders	Arkansas
49.4	WR	Jalin Hyatt	Tennessee
49.8	EDGE	Will McDonald	Iowa State
53.3	DT	Mazi Smith	Michigan
77.7	OG	Steve Avila	TCU
79.4	CB	Tyrique Stevenson	Miami
80.8	TE	Tucker Kraft	South Dakota State
106.4	RB	Zach Evans	Ole Miss
109.5	DT	Jaquelin Roy	LSU
111.3	LB	DeMarvion Overshown	Texas
112.1	WR	Jonathan Mingo	Ole Miss
131.6	RB	Kendre Miller	TCU
161.2	TE	Cameron Latu	Alabama
164.4	LB/S	Marte Mapu	Sacramento State
190.0	QB	Clayton Tune	Houston
192.2	DT	Viliami Fehoko	San Jose State
209.6	TE	Payne Durham	Purdue
216.3	OG	Atonio Mafi	UCLA
221.1	DT	Tyler Lacy	Oklahoma State
258.5	TE	Brayden Willis	Oklahoma
315.6	EDGE	B.J. Thompson	Stephen F. Austin
416.0	OG	Ilm Manning	Hawaii
428.0	LB	Durrell Johnson	Liberty

In my view our first pick at #26 could very well be Darnell Wright OT what is your feeling on that if it happens ?

Otherwise your going in another direction and hoping Avila is there in the 2nd Round

 

[Mr_437]

I watched him live. Both in college and high school.

So do you see as a guy who can play Kearse position, SS or WILB?

 

[plasticman]

I looked up 12 different big boards, and took the average ranking for each player based on those 12 different big boards. Here is how the average Big Board ranking stands for the Cowboys 30 players who visited the Cowboys

13.9	WR	Quentin Johnson	TCU
26.8	OT	Darnell Wright	Tennessee
32.9	WR	Zay Flowers	Boston College
40.2	CB	Emmanuel Forbes	Mississippi State
42.9	WR	Josh Downs	North Carolina
44.1	LB	Trenton Simpson	Clemson
45.2	TE	Darnell Washington	Georgia
45.2	LB	Drew Sanders	Arkansas
49.4	WR	Jalin Hyatt	Tennessee
49.8	EDGE	Will McDonald	Iowa State
53.3	DT	Mazi Smith	Michigan
77.7	OG	Steve Avila	TCU
79.4	CB	Tyrique Stevenson	Miami
80.8	TE	Tucker Kraft	South Dakota State
106.4	RB	Zach Evans	Ole Miss
109.5	DT	Jaquelin Roy	LSU
111.3	LB	DeMarvion Overshown	Texas
112.1	WR	Jonathan Mingo	Ole Miss
131.6	RB	Kendre Miller	TCU
161.2	TE	Cameron Latu	Alabama
164.4	LB/S	Marte Mapu	Sacramento State
190.0	QB	Clayton Tune	Houston
192.2	DT	Viliami Fehoko	San Jose State
209.6	TE	Payne Durham	Purdue
216.3	OG	Atonio Mafi	UCLA
221.1	DT	Tyler Lacy	Oklahoma State
258.5	TE	Brayden Willis	Oklahoma
315.6	EDGE	B.J. Thompson	Stephen F. Austin
416.0	OG	Ilm Manning	Hawaii
428.0	LB	Durrell Johnson	Liberty

That's some good work, thank you.

I think it would be a bonus if Mazi Smith was still there when the Cowboys drafted in the 2nd round. Still don't understand all the WT's with 1st round predictions. I hope the Cowboys trade down in teh 1st round, I don't see any value at their current position.