Slow or just plain stupid?

[D-TownRadio]

I am so sick of hearing that we don't need to draft a HB because we have all we need in JJ and MB3...
Jones: He is a bust, Plain and simple. The kid has be given enough time and chances to be the back he brought here to be and is still not a back that can get the games momentum moving early. He needs to go and if we signed him for the league min it would be a waste in my opinion.
Barber: While he has some big breakout plays he is not a game changing back nore is he workhorse. He is great where he is as a comp back and if he is given to many carries with his style we would have no runing game in the second half. He wouldn't be to long for the NFL either.

With that said I wish all these people who swear up and down that we have all we need with Barber would just shut up and go learn a thing or two about football before they go opening up their mouths. We need a franchise running back, a back that teams gameplan against. We would be able to thin out a D better and would have alot more options. If you have a back like tomlinson or peterson that forces a team to game plan against and you also have players like glenn ownes and witten with Romo throwing to them you have a much better chance at making something happen on every play. Everyone says that we have other needs in the draft well the way I see it we could take care of all of our needs.
WR: Fitz in a trade with Arizona. I think there will be some decent free agents this year as well including Stallworth.
CB: King late first round early second. There will be some nice free agent WR's this year.
We could also pick up some guys in free agency that just want a ring like Lance Briggs. We need a HB and there is no better time then this draft. We don't need a first round WR or CB. We also don't need to waste anymore picks on "Projects". So please stop talking like Barber is Smith or Sanders because he could and would never be anything better then a 2nd back. Thats all he has ever been since college and thats all he will be. He is a great back after the D has already been worn down but would not be an every down back. I also think that JJ being the #1 back is a good idea why mess with a good thing. I think if we upgraded JJ to some one like Rice, Slaton, McFadden, Hart, Torain, Patrick or even Choice would be a great upgrade from JJ and any of these guys could improve our ground attack dramaticly thus opening up more plays down the field as well. But niether JJ nore MB3 are the answer.

 

[Rack]

Switch to decaf, Dude.

 

[JBell]

Yeah because we're an elite RB away from being super bowl contenders right?

You say we need a franchise RB. Is Marion Barber not good enough?

What can a franchise RB do that Marion Barber can't?

And Tomlinson and Peterson don't grow on trees. You make it sound like it's sooo easy to get one.

Let's be real here, we have way bigger needs than RB.

Tony Romo isn't the 1st or 2nd best QB in the league, but that doesn't mean we need to go out and find another QB.

 

[D-TownRadio]

Like I said Barber is what he is and thats a comp back thats all he has ever been since college and thats all he will be. He is no evry down back... Like I also said in my post our other needs can be taken care of later in the drat and Free Agents. We need to upgrade from JJ and keep Barber where he is. Read before you post..

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

How can we know if Barber is an every down back if we don't try him out as one? It's not like he's built small. It's not like he can't take contact. I understand wanting to split carries as it keeps people fresh, but we don't have a clue if Barber can carry the load or not.

 

[Idgit]

I'm going to go with both slow and stupid, but I'm not talking about our RBs.

 

[Eddie]

6-1 doesn't seem to shabby. Would an elite back have beaten NE?

At this point, we have bigger needs than RB. Nothing wrong with re-signing both JJ and MB for next year. CB and WR are looming large on us.

 

[dooomsday]

I am so sick of hearing that we don't need to draft a HB because we have all we need in JJ and MB3...
Jones: He is a bust, Plain and simple. The kid has be given enough time and chances to be the back he brought here to be and is still not a back that can get the games momentum moving early. He needs to go and if we signed him for the league min it would be a waste in my opinion.
Barber: While he has some big breakout plays he is not a game changing back nore is he workhorse. He is great where he is as a comp back and if he is given to many carries with his style we would have no runing game in the second half. He wouldn't be to long for the NFL either.

With that said I wish all these people who swear up and down that we have all we need with Barber would just shut up and go learn a thing or two about football before they go opening up their mouths. We need a franchise running back, a back that teams gameplan against. We would be able to thin out a D better and would have alot more options. If you have a back like tomlinson or peterson that forces a team to game plan against and you also have players like glenn ownes and witten with Romo throwing to them you have a much better chance at making something happen on every play. Everyone says that we have other needs in the draft well the way I see it we could take care of all of our needs.
WR: Fitz in a trade with Arizona. I think there will be some decent free agents this year as well including Stallworth.
CB: King late first round early second. There will be some nice free agent WR's this year.
We could also pick up some guys in free agency that just want a ring like Lance Briggs. We need a HB and there is no better time then this draft. We don't need a first round WR or CB. We also don't need to waste anymore picks on "Projects". So please stop talking like Barber is Smith or Sanders because he could and would never be anything better then a 2nd back. Thats all he has ever been since college and thats all he will be. He is a great back after the D has already been worn down but would not be an every down back. I also think that JJ being the #1 back is a good idea why mess with a good thing. I think if we upgraded JJ to some one like Rice, Slaton, McFadden, Hart, Torain, Patrick or even Choice would be a great upgrade from JJ and any of these guys could improve our ground attack dramaticly thus opening up more plays down the field as well. But niether JJ nore MB3 are the answer.

Werent you just complaining about who was a fan and who wasn't based on criticism? This rant would fall under the latter

 

[ndanger]

I am so sick of hearing that we don't need to draft a HB because we have all we need in JJ and MB3...
Jones: He is a bust, Plain and simple. The kid has be given enough time and chances to be the back he brought here to be and is still not a back that can get the games momentum moving early. He needs to go and if we signed him for the league min it would be a waste in my opinion.
Barber: While he has some big breakout plays he is not a game changing back nore is he workhorse. He is great where he is as a comp back and if he is given to many carries with his style we would have no runing game in the second half. He wouldn't be to long for the NFL either.

With that said I wish all these people who swear up and down that we have all we need with Barber would just shut up and go learn a thing or two about football before they go opening up their mouths. We need a franchise running back, a back that teams gameplan against. We would be able to thin out a D better and would have alot more options. If you have a back like tomlinson or peterson that forces a team to game plan against and you also have players like glenn ownes and witten with Romo throwing to them you have a much better chance at making something happen on every play. Everyone says that we have other needs in the draft well the way I see it we could take care of all of our needs.
WR: Fitz in a trade with Arizona. I think there will be some decent free agents this year as well including Stallworth.
CB: King late first round early second. There will be some nice free agent WR's this year.
We could also pick up some guys in free agency that just want a ring like Lance Briggs. We need a HB and there is no better time then this draft. We don't need a first round WR or CB. We also don't need to waste anymore picks on "Projects". So please stop talking like Barber is Smith or Sanders because he could and would never be anything better then a 2nd back. Thats all he has ever been since college and thats all he will be. He is a great back after the D has already been worn down but would not be an every down back. I also think that JJ being the #1 back is a good idea why mess with a good thing. I think if we upgraded JJ to some one like Rice, Slaton, McFadden, Hart, Torain, Patrick or even Choice would be a great upgrade from JJ and any of these guys could improve our ground attack dramaticly thus opening up more plays down the field as well. But niether JJ nore MB3 are the answer.

Dude,you are who we think you are.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

here is my problem with some of you cats...any time someone points to an area of the team that needs improvement...many cry "check the record dude" Nothing makes me scream more.....fellas..this is not about making the playoffs anymore....we have the talent AND the NFC is weak enough to compete for the Super Bowl for the next several years IF we fix a team that has flaws. Marion Barber is a BACKUP....a GREAT BACKUP....but get that through your thick skull...15 tcarries a game is very appropriate for him. Patrick Crayton is a #3...get that through your thick skulls....until we get a real #2 WR and a real #1 RB....we will be flawed...and I do not care WHAT our record says.....at this point we should only be comparing ourselves to GOOD teams....WAKE UP...the 5-11s are in the rear view mirror. We SHOULD destroy bad teams. We have played 2 decent teams...and NEITHER game was pretty. If we do not clean up the penalties and the slow starts our once promising record is going to get ugly REAL QUICK!!!!!!

 

[superonyx]

congratulations on creating a post where you said the most without even saying anything.

Which of these "elite" rb's have any superbowl rings?

Enough of the MB111 wont last playing like he does. How many carries over the last 2 years does he have? Where are all the injuries? Why did he not get injured in college either. He rushed for well over 1000 yards. Now Peterson is a back with injury history.

This team doesnt need much of anything. Barber is not being talked about so much because he is a bad back that will be replaced by a rookie "reach".
Look around the league. Who would you rather have?

I look forward to your long winded response where you try to insult me in your nervous way

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

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[ndanger]

By the way, how did that "franchise" back work out for the Vikings yesterday?Check that, How did that veteran back and that "franchise" back work out for the Vikings ,Mr. football God ?Talk about getting sick of people.ARE YOU KIDDING ME ?Makes me wanna throw up.That's all I gotta say!

 

[dooomsday]

here is my problem with some of you cats...any time someone points to an area of the team that needs improvement...many cry "check the record dude" Nothing makes me scream more.....fellas..this is not about making the playoffs anymore....we have the talent AND the NFC is weak enough to compete for the Super Bowl for the next several years IF we fix a team that has flaws. Marion Barber is a BACKUP....a GREAT BACKUP....but get that through your thick skull...15 tcarries a game is very appropriate for him. Patrick Crayton is a #3...get that through your thick skulls....until we get a real #2 WR and a real #1 RB....we will be flawed...and I do not care WHAT our record says.....at this point we should only be comparing ourselves to GOOD teams....WAKE UP...the 5-11s are in the rear view mirror. We SHOULD destroy bad teams. We have played 2 decent teams...and NEITHER game was pretty. If we do not clean up the penalties and the slow starts our once promising record is going to get ugly REAL QUICK!!!!!!

Barber is a back up simply cause we are too dumb to start him. I agree the record means nothing. But you play the guys you have. Why worry about the draft now? Barber is just outside the top 10 sharing carries. No question he would be a top back if we added to his load.

BTW- Indy just won with a rookie (who is not a game breaker)and a journeyman. Pitts won with a 35 year old, slow fat RB, NE won with guys like Antoine Smith. We need someone to help move chains and score. We have that. We just needto tweak their roles a bit.

 

[ndanger]

http://i18.***BLOCKED***/albums/b133/BrAinPaiNt/lickgd2.gif

Oh my God ! You said it all without saying anything........BRILLIANT !!

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Barber is a back up simply cause we are too dumb to start him. I agree the record means nothing. But you play the guys you have. Why worry about the draft now? Barber is just outside the top 10 sharing carries. No question he would be a top back if we added to his load.

BTW- Indy just won with a rookie (who is not a game breaker)and a journeyman. Pitts won with a 35 year old, slow fat RB, NE won with guys like Antoine Smith. We need someone to help move chains and score. We have that. We just needto tweak their roles a bit.

why do I even bother...we ARE NOT THOSE TEAMS....Pitt and NE were NASTY on defense...against GOOD teams our offense is going to HAVE to score 30+ points or WE will not win....we will not score 30+ points against good teams until our running game and explosion at WR gets better...Indy can score 30+ on anybody with the weapons they currently have...we CANNOT. Which is my point, we either need to become better on defense, which I don't think we are going to do because we have way too many young players tied up with long contracts OR we have to get more explosive on offense. This is the side of the ball where there are pending free agents, aging vets AND where we have not addressed with high draft picks. So what many of us our saying is that we will need to make that kind of investment on that side of the ball when we draft this year

 

[AmericasTeam31]

why do I even bother...we ARE NOT THOSE TEAMS....Pitt and NE were NASTY on defense...against GOOD teams our offense is going to HAVE to score 30+ points or WE will not win....we will not score 30+ points against good teams until our running game and explosion at WR gets better...Indy can score 30+ on anybody with the weapons they currently have...we CANNOT. Which is my point, we either need to become better on defense, which I don't think we are going to do because we have way too many young players tied up with long contracts OR we have to get more explosive on offense. This is the side of the ball where there are pending free agents, aging vets AND where we have not addressed with high draft picks. So what many of us our saying is that we will need to make that kind of investment on that side of the ball when we draft this year

Our defense had 2 bad games out of 7 so far. And is progressively getting better. We put up 24+ points in every game til this point, even against the Patriots. And for the second week in a row, the defense is causing turnovers and converting them into points. That's what good teams do... What more do you want from them? Against Buffalo, they could have folded after giving up 21pts on turnovers and special teams, instead they held the offense to 3pts. Heck, the Ravens gave up 19 points to the same team yesterday. The Patriots even let the Dolphins score 28pts yesterday. I don't understand where all the "our defense is horrible" or "we are not nasty on defense" stuff is coming from. They seemed to play pretty nasty yesterday, they were nasty all year!

IMO, our play calling is becoming way too unbalanced early in games. We come out and throw, throw, throw... Where is the balance in that? You want to move the ball early, you want to score points in the first quarter? Put MBIII in on the opening drive, and pound away... Maybe you score, maybe you don't, but one thing is for sure, the opponent will know what kind of day it's going to be early and often.

 

[Ren]

If someone like McFadden drops in to our laps we'd be stupid to pass but other then that there's really no point in us taking a HB

I'll take a CB and WR over a HB if that HB is not called darren McFadden

 

[DallasEast]

why do I even bother...we ARE NOT THOSE TEAMS....Pitt and NE were NASTY on defense...against GOOD teams our offense is going to HAVE to score 30+ points or WE will not win....we will not score 30+ points against good teams until our running game and explosion at WR gets better...Indy can score 30+ on anybody with the weapons they currently have...we CANNOT. Which is my point, we either need to become better on defense, which I don't think we are going to do because we have way too many young players tied up with long contracts OR we have to get more explosive on offense. This is the side of the ball where there are pending free agents, aging vets AND where we have not addressed with high draft picks. So what many of us our saying is that we will need to make that kind of investment on that side of the ball when we draft this year

Since you mentioned the Steelers and high draft picks on the offensive side of the ball, I thought that a look back at the makeup of Pittsburgh's last Super Bowl team was in order (how about that Willie Parker?).

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php?/weblog/entry/article166/
Saturday, February 04, 2006

Steelers and Seahawks Used High Draft Picks to Build Strong Offensive Lines

If you want to understand how the most successful franchises use the draft to build their teams, a good place to start is to analyze the starting units of the Super Bowl contestants. Both the Seattle Seahawks and the Pittsburgh Steelers have starting lineups whose trenches are more often manned by high draft picks than are the so called skill positions. In short, winning football is played by real men, not by tippy-toed, small, finesse players.

The Seattle Seahawks will likely start seven first round draft choices in the Super Bowl (four on offense and three on defense) while the Pittsburgh Steelers will send eight first round starters onto the field (5 on offense and 3 on defense). But you may be surprised at the positions those high draft choices play. Not one is a wide receiver. Only two of the eight defensive backfield starters are first rounders, cornerback Marcus Trufant of the Seahawks and hard-hitting safety Troy Polamulu of the Steelers, who plays almost like an additional linebacker. The Seahawks and Steelers each have only one skill position player on offensive drafted in round one, running back Shaun Alexander for Seattle and quarterback Ben Roethlisberger for Pittsburgh.

Both the Steelers and the Seahawks have focused on building strong lines through the draft. On offense, Pittsburgh will start three linemen drafted in the first round (guards Alan Faneca and Kendall Simmons and center Jeff Hartings, who was actually drafted by the Lions). Toss in tight end Heath Miller and four of the six front-line blockers are first round picks. Then note that left tackle Marvel Smith was taken with the seventh pick in round two and you'll truly realize where the draft focus of the Steelers has been the past decade. Seattle also expended top picks to build the left side of the line to protect Matt Hasselbeck's backside and to clear half the field for the running of Shaun Alexander. Perennial all-pro left tackle Walter Jones, perhaps the best in the business, was taken with the sixth pick of the 1997 draft. His sidekick, left guard Steve Hutchinson was taken with the 17th pick of the first round in 2001. Toss in tight end Jerramy Stevens and three of the six members of the offensive line are first rounders.

Amazingly, there have only been 10 guards taken in the first round of the draft since 1996, about one per year, two of whom have been switched to center and one to tackle. More amazingly, four of the 10 will be playing in the Super Bowl this year (Hutchinson for the Seahawks and Faneca, Simmons and Hartings, who will be playing center, for the Steelers). Even yet more amazingly, two of the remaining six (Jermane Mayberry of the Eagles and Ross Verba who was drafted by the Packers and later played tackle for the Browns) also played in the Super Bowl.

The only guards drafted in the first round in the past decade who have not gone to the Super Bowl are Chris Naeole, Pete Kendall, Vernon Carey and Logan Mankins. Naeole was picked by the Saints in 1997 and is now playing with the Jacksonville Jaguars, a team with reasonable Super Bowl aspirations. Kendall was drafted by the Seahawks in 1996 and now plays center for the Jets. Vernon Carey was drafted by the Dolphins in 2004, another team that can easily be envisioned as a Super Bowl participant in the next few years if they can improve at quarterback. Mankins was drafted with the last pick of round one in 2005 and contributed to the Patriots' second-half surge that led to the playoffs after the team was decimated earlier in the season by injuries.

The focus of this year's Super Bowl contestants on amassing high draft picks to man the offensive line is in sharp contrast to the fact that in recent years there have been more defensive backs and wide receivers taken in the first round than any other position. During the past five drafts the first round picks have included: 29 defensive backs, 25 wide receivers, 21 defensive ends, 20 defensive tackles, 15 quarterbacks, 14 tackles, 13 running backs, eight tight ends, eight linebackers, four guards and two centers. In each of those years, either defensive back or wide receiver was the position with the most players selected in round one. (Defensive end tied defensive backs with six picks each in 2003).

On defensive, there are also a few surprises. Both the Steelers and the Seahwaks have formidable defenses. In the AFC, only the Indianapolis Colts allowed fewer points than the Steelers. In the NFC, only the Chicago Bears and the Carolina Panthers allowed fewer points than the Seahawks. Yet both the Steelers and the Seahawks have fewer first round starters on defense than on offense.

The Seahawks will play a 4-3 defense with first round draft picks Marcuss Tubbs and Grant Wistrom on the line and Marcus Trufant in the defensive backfield. The Steelers will counter with a 3-4 defense with one first rounders Casey Hampton at nose tackle, James Farrior at inside linebacker (originally drafted by the Jets) and Troy Polamalu at safety.

Now don't get the impression that the Steelers and the Seahawks are infallible in their draft selections or that they have a consistent strategy that sets them apart from all other teams. We know that isn't true because they have both made first round selections that just haven't worked out for the team and that have been inconsistent with the idea that they have focused entirely on using high picks to build their lines. The Steelers, for instance, expended first round picks on wide receivers Troy Edwards (1999) and Plexico Burress (2000) and defensive back Chad Scott (1997). Those picks never paid big dividends for Pittsburgh. The Seahawks missed badly when they selected wide receiver Koren Robinson with the ninth pick in 2001 and never made it very far with defensive back Shawn Springs, the third pick in 1997, who is an all-pro player who eventually became too expensive for the Seahawks to keep. The Seahawks also didn't receive any benefit from drafting tackle Chris McIntosh with the 22nd pick in 2000.

Nevertheless, it would be wise for teams with Super Bowl aspirations to note that this year's Super Bowl teams are built around high draft picks on the offensive lines and that the defensive line has not been overlooked either.

 

[Biggems]

I agree we do need another RB.......our 3rd RB blows. He is horrible at KR. He never sees the light of day during offensive situations.....We need to get a 3rd RB worth a darn......

Yvenson Bernard


BTW......What I would like Dallas to do is

1. Let JJ return KOs
2. Start Marion Barber, at least a couple of weeks and see how that goes
3. Use a split backfield with Barber and Jones at least one or two drives a game
4. Continue to use the no huddle hurry up offense.....keeps defenses reeling and keeps our OL on their toes. In fact, the only OL penalties we had, came after we huddled.