Slow or just plain stupid?

[morasp]

I thought JJ had some good runs yesterday. Looking at the hilights of other backs big runs, they had holes you could drive a truck through. MBIII gets stuffed a the line about as often as JJ does in the first half. His big runs usually come in the second half when the D is worn down. BP used to call it a change of pace back and I think JJ and MBIII's runnging styles compliment each other quite well.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Oh man I thought this was a thread about Rack

 

[parchy]

I've never understood why people think MBIII isn't a feature back or that he can't handle 25 carries a game. What is this based on, anyway? He's looked damn good to me. And don't tell me it's based on splitting carries, because defenses aren't exactly worn out by JuJo running straight into the pack.

I'd be okay with letting Julius go in the off-season and not even picking up another difference-making RB, giving the starting job to MBIII straightaway. No doubt in my mind he can handle it.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

forget it...I am done with it...you guys continue to point to all the positives...and you same guys show up once we get through our next 3 games....the way we are playing RIGHT now will not get it done....sure it will allow us to beat bad teams...but what is IMPRESSIVE about beating bad teams? Other than getting the 'W'. Did you not hear the comments of Witten? Our goals should be bigger than beating BAD teams. I'll take the W. But if we do not become a better running team...clean up silly pre-snap penalties...our 6-1 record will quickly become 6-4. Every last one of the next 3 games are loseable. Especially with 2 being on the road.

 

[conner01]

Switch to decaf, Dude.

my thought exactly. i expect we will draft a rb to replace jones this off season. but i think, as most informed people think, that mb3 is a heck of a rb. i also think you need 2 rb's in todays nfl. very few guys are 30 carries guys and to put that much of you offense in the hands of one guy is dangerous. you noticed the vikes have one of the better rb's to come out in awhile yet they still share carries. it keeps the guy fresh for the entire season aqnd is good insurance incase of injury.
i'm all for drafting a rb but not becuae i don't have confidence in mb3, just because i think you need two

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The problem with the play we are experiencing now is not our running backs. It's penalties and turnovers.

We are currently 10th in the entire league in rushing. However, we are 3rd in overall offense. If you look at it from the perspective of yards per carry, we are 5th in the league. Of the backs with 80 carries or more, only AP (6.7 per) has a better per carry average then does Barbar. Only LT has more TDs with 6 then does Barbar and LT has 38 more carries. Jones may start but Barbar is the featured back. How many teams have two superstar backs they go to on a regular basis? It would be nice if Jones were a little more productive but he gives you 3.8 a carry and he catches the ball and picks up his assignments. What more do you want from a 2nd string back?

 

[dfense]

I am so sick of hearing that we don't need to draft a HB because we have all we need in JJ and MB3...
Jones: He is a bust, Plain and simple. The kid has be given enough time and chances to be the back he brought here to be and is still not a back that can get the games momentum moving early. He needs to go and if we signed him for the league min it would be a waste in my opinion.
Barber: While he has some big breakout plays he is not a game changing back nore is he workhorse. He is great where he is as a comp back and if he is given to many carries with his style we would have no runing game in the second half. He wouldn't be to long for the NFL either.

With that said I wish all these people who swear up and down that we have all we need with Barber would just shut up and go learn a thing or two about football before they go opening up their mouths. We need a franchise running back, a back that teams gameplan against. We would be able to thin out a D better and would have alot more options. If you have a back like tomlinson or peterson that forces a team to game plan against and you also have players like glenn ownes and witten with Romo throwing to them you have a much better chance at making something happen on every play. Everyone says that we have other needs in the draft well the way I see it we could take care of all of our needs.
WR: Fitz in a trade with Arizona. I think there will be some decent free agents this year as well including Stallworth.
CB: King late first round early second. There will be some nice free agent WR's this year.
We could also pick up some guys in free agency that just want a ring like Lance Briggs. We need a HB and there is no better time then this draft. We don't need a first round WR or CB. We also don't need to waste anymore picks on "Projects". So please stop talking like Barber is Smith or Sanders because he could and would never be anything better then a 2nd back. Thats all he has ever been since college and thats all he will be. He is a great back after the D has already been worn down but would not be an every down back. I also think that JJ being the #1 back is a good idea why mess with a good thing. I think if we upgraded JJ to some one like Rice, Slaton, McFadden, Hart, Torain, Patrick or even Choice would be a great upgrade from JJ and any of these guys could improve our ground attack dramaticly thus opening up more plays down the field as well. But niether JJ nore MB3 are the answer.

Maybe Jed should just fire up the ol' truck and head out into the orchard where the RB tree is, pick'em a fresh franchise back off the old tree while they're still a ripe!

 

[khiladi]

The problem with the play we are experiencing now is not our running backs. It's penalties and turnovers.

We are currently 10th in the entire league in rushing. However, we are 3rd in overall offense. If you look at it from the perspective of yards per carry, we are 5th in the league. Of the backs with 80 carries or more, only AP (6.7 per) has a better per carry average then does Barbar. Only LT has more TDs with 6 then does Barbar and LT has 38 more carries. Jones may start but Barbar is the featured back. How many teams have two superstar backs they go to on a regular basis? It would be nice if Jones were a little more productive but he gives you 3.8 a carry and he catches the ball and picks up his assignments. What more do you want from a 2nd string back?

I love this offense, but I have yet to see a systematic attempt to run the ball. How much of the penalities and turnover is a direct result of us always thinking pass first? Even the play where Romo got blind-sided and we were close to score, we did not make an effort to run. It was only late in the game, where we went run. The fact that Barber ran 90 yards on a great run defense shows us that if we weren't so impatient, we could be more effective as an offense, and could force men up. If we can establish a consistent run attack, our pass offense would be just that more effective.

 

[Rack]

Oh man I thought this was a thread about Rack

:bastid:

 

[D-TownRadio]

congratulations on creating a post where you said the most without even saying anything.

Which of these "elite" rb's have any superbowl rings?

Enough of the MB111 wont last playing like he does. How many carries over the last 2 years does he have? Where are all the injuries? Why did he not get injured in college either. He rushed for well over 1000 yards. Now Peterson is a back with injury history.

This team doesnt need much of anything. Barber is not being talked about so much because he is a bad back that will be replaced by a rookie "reach".
Look around the league. Who would you rather have?

I look forward to your long winded response where you try to insult me in your nervous way

If you knew anything about the cowboys or MB3 you would know that not only has he shared carries in the NFL he also was a backup in college. He is a great BACKUP I am not arguing that, But that is all he is. Just because he comes in and runs hard on an already tired D that doesn't mean he is an every down back. I agree that we need to get younger at CB and WR but we can fill that void in free agency and later in the draft. We don't need to use a top ten pick on WR or CB. There are plenty of them in this years draft that would be a good fit with our team.

Any of the following WR's would be a great pickup in the draft and could contribute right off the bat if Glenn doesn't come back to play another season... But lets not forget and Fitz in my opinion I would rather trade for Fitz a proven WR then take the chance at drafting one.

WR's
DeSean Jackson
Mario Urrutia
Mario Manningham
Earl Bennett Vanderbilt
Davone Bess
Early Doucet
Limas Sweed
Keenan Burton
Andre Caldwell
Harry Douglas
Adarius Bowman

These are just a few CB's in the draft this year that would be able to have an impact in the NFL next year. But just like the WR position there will be some decent CB's available in the free agent market as well.

CB's
Terrell Thomas
Simeon Castille
DeJuan Tribble
Antoine Cason
Dominique Rodgers
Justin King
Malcolm Jenkins
Aqib Talib
Vontae Davis
Reggie Smith
Brandon Flowers


There is no reason that we shouldn't upgrade the HB position. JJ is not the answer and MB3 is no full time back. If he where a full time type back he would have been one in college or in NFL. The fact that every coach he has played under seems to think the same thing and that is that he just isn't an every down back. If he were an every down back one of his coaches in the past 7 years he would have been one but he hasn't and that should tell you something. If someone way more qualified then you or me thinks that this guy is nothing more then a backup then thats all he is. When a HOF coach thinks he is nothing more then a backup that tells me something. You can say we have all we need a t HB with JJ and MB3 but I heard the same bullsh*t about Quincy Carter so I am not going to hold to much stock in what any of you say.

 

[JBell]

If you knew anything about the cowboys or MB3 you would know that not only has he shared carries in the NFL he also was a backup in college. He is a great BACKUP I am not arguing that, But that is all he is. Just because he comes in and runs hard on an already tired D that doesn't mean he is an every down back. I agree that we need to get younger at CB and WR but we can fill that void in free agency and later in the draft. We don't need to use a top ten pick on WR or CB. There are plenty of them in this years draft that would be a good fit with our team.

Any of the following WR's would be a great pickup in the draft and could contribute right off the bat if Glenn doesn't come back to play another season... But lets not forget and Fitz in my opinion I would rather trade for Fitz a proven WR then take the chance at drafting one.

WR's
DeSean Jackson
Mario Urrutia
Mario Manningham
Earl Bennett Vanderbilt
Davone Bess
Early Doucet
Limas Sweed
Keenan Burton
Andre Caldwell
Harry Douglas
Adarius Bowman

These are just a few CB's in the draft this year that would be able to have an impact in the NFL next year. But just like the WR position there will be some decent CB's available in the free agent market as well.

CB's
Terrell Thomas
Simeon Castille
DeJuan Tribble
Antoine Cason
Dominique Rodgers
Justin King
Malcolm Jenkins
Aqib Talib
Vontae Davis
Reggie Smith
Brandon Flowers


There is no reason that we shouldn't upgrade the HB position. JJ is not the answer and MB3 is no full time back. If he where a full time type back he would have been one in college or in NFL. The fact that every coach he has played under seems to think the same thing and that is that he just isn't an every down back. If he were an every down back one of his coaches in the past 7 years he would have been one but he hasn't and that should tell you something. If someone way more qualified then you or me thinks that this guy is nothing more then a backup then thats all he is. When a HOF coach thinks he is nothing more then a backup that tells me something. You can say we have all we need a t HB with JJ and MB3 but I heard the same bullsh*t about Quincy Carter so I am not going to hold to much stock in what any of you say.

Bill Parcells was quoted as saying he would have made Barber his feature back IF we had a guy capable of playing the 3rd down role. But we didn't, so he stuck Barber in that role.

Let's make sure we have accurate information before we start making stupid statements, mmkay?

And your statement "if he were a full-time back, he would have been one in college" is just as stupid.

There are plenty of NFL starters in the league right now that weren't "full-time" players in college.

The Steelers must be idiots for making Willie Parker their full time back. I mean, he hardly saw ANY action while at North Carolina. What were they thinking?

 

[the kid 05]

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"these snozberries taste like snozberries

 

[superonyx]

If you knew anything about the cowboys or MB3 you would know that not only has he shared carries in the NFL he also was a backup in college. He is a great BACKUP I am not arguing that, But that is all he is. Just because he comes in and runs hard on an already tired D that doesn't mean he is an every down back. I agree that we need to get younger at CB and WR but we can fill that void in free agency and later in the draft. We don't need to use a top ten pick on WR or CB. There are plenty of them in this years draft that would be a good fit with our team.




There is no reason that we shouldn't upgrade the HB position. JJ is not the answer and MB3 is no full time back. If he where a full time type back he would have been one in college or in NFL. The fact that every coach he has played under seems to think the same thing and that is that he just isn't an every down back. If he were an every down back one of his coaches in the past 7 years he would have been one but he hasn't and that should tell you something. If someone way more qualified then you or me thinks that this guy is nothing more then a backup then thats all he is. When a HOF coach thinks he is nothing more then a backup that tells me something. You can say we have all we need a t HB with JJ and MB3 but I heard the same bullsh*t about Quincy Carter so I am not going to hold to much stock in what any of you say.

Well i guess you just know everything. I like how you say that is i knew anything about the cowboys or marion barber that i would know that he was only a backup in college. Well genius here are some college stats for you from marion :

RUSHING GP Att Gain Loss Net Avg TD Long Avg/G
-----------------------------------------------------------
Barber III, M. 13 207 1239 43 1196 5.8 17 45 92.0
Maroney, L. 13 162 1139 18 1121 6.9 10 47 86.2
Tapeh, Thomas 13 119 576 6 570 4.8 11

So now i ask you how was Marion the backup in college? Looks like he got more carries than Maroney. So who would be the backup?
So if you knew anything about marion barber and the cowboys you would know that he has had enough carries in both college and the pros to show that he more than capable of getting the job done.

And just to save you some time here is the 2004 stats from Minn.

RUSHING GP Att Gain Loss Net Avg TD Long Avg/G
-----------------------------------------------------------
Maroney, L. 12 217 1413 65 1348 6.2 12 80 112.3
Barber III, M. 12 231 1344 75 1269 5.5 11 65 105.8
Russell, Gary 8 24 144 0 144 6.0 0 15 18.0

Once again he got more carries than Maroney.
So it seems like new england has no problem "featuring" him as the starter/ feature back.
But we shouldnt with a runner that is actually performing at a higher level than Maroney is.
Man i wish i knew as much about Marion and the Cowboys as you do.... i wish i wish i wish.

 

[Clove]

I am so sick of hearing that we don't need to draft a HB because we have all we need in JJ and MB3...
Jones: He is a bust, Plain and simple. The kid has be given enough time and chances to be the back he brought here to be and is still not a back that can get the games momentum moving early. He needs to go and if we signed him for the league min it would be a waste in my opinion.
Barber: While he has some big breakout plays he is not a game changing back nore is he workhorse. He is great where he is as a comp back and if he is given to many carries with his style we would have no runing game in the second half. He wouldn't be to long for the NFL either.

With that said I wish all these people who swear up and down that we have all we need with Barber would just shut up and go learn a thing or two about football before they go opening up their mouths. We need a franchise running back, a back that teams gameplan against. We would be able to thin out a D better and would have alot more options. If you have a back like tomlinson or peterson that forces a team to game plan against and you also have players like glenn ownes and witten with Romo throwing to them you have a much better chance at making something happen on every play. Everyone says that we have other needs in the draft well the way I see it we could take care of all of our needs.
WR: Fitz in a trade with Arizona. I think there will be some decent free agents this year as well including Stallworth.
CB: King late first round early second. There will be some nice free agent WR's this year.
We could also pick up some guys in free agency that just want a ring like Lance Briggs. We need a HB and there is no better time then this draft. We don't need a first round WR or CB. We also don't need to waste anymore picks on "Projects". So please stop talking like Barber is Smith or Sanders because he could and would never be anything better then a 2nd back. Thats all he has ever been since college and thats all he will be. He is a great back after the D has already been worn down but would not be an every down back. I also think that JJ being the #1 back is a good idea why mess with a good thing. I think if we upgraded JJ to some one like Rice, Slaton, McFadden, Hart, Torain, Patrick or even Choice would be a great upgrade from JJ and any of these guys could improve our ground attack dramaticly thus opening up more plays down the field as well. But niether JJ nore MB3 are the answer.

Trying to figure out why we need an all world back to win a SB.

In the last 10 years, only 1 RB has lead the league in yards and been on a Super Bowl team.

Half of those teams that won the SB in the last 10 years didn't even have a running back in the top 10.

A back that can get tough yards, and move the chains will be sufficient for this team, and that back is Barber. Getting an all world RB is great if he FALLS in your lap on draft day, but other than that, let Barber continue to inspire us all. I believe we can make it to the SB and win it with Barber at the helm.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

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OMG Classic.

 

[Yeagermeister]

"these snozberries taste like snozberries

There's no such thing as snozberries

 

[Yeagermeister]

:bastid:

took you long enough