Smashing the "Murray Myths"

[WPBCowboysFan]

Why are you talking about that Eagles player? Who cares anymore.

Yep, Murray who?

 

[TwoDeep3]

Awesome!! So how long do you have to sport that sig? I'm assuming you lost a bet...

No, this is self imposed. I said it, I own it.

Until training camp.

 

[YosemiteSam]

We are still talking about because we have done nothing to improve our situation.

DMC is a has been, RWilliams is a never been and Randle is back up.

We are presently 13m under the cap and still have Carr at 12.7m. Money is not the issue.

Money is always an issue and you are presenting assumptions as facts. I admit, it doesn't look as good as having Murray, but we know nothing John Snow.

 

[plasticman]

It's not a myth. You run behind this line and you will look good. It's simple as that. Murray isn't special. The guy couldn't make me miss in the open field.

Later, I will demonstrate how Murray's average yards per carry decreased in 2014 from the previous 3 years .

Murray didn't just look good, he produced the greatest season for a RB in Cowboy history. I agree that the O-line should share credit and another RB may have had a good year but it takes both elements to produce a record year like that. The offense line enhanced what was going to be a great year for Murray regardless

I can't take anyone seriously that might suggest any RB could get behind this line and automatically break a 50 year old record for consecutive 100 yard games held by Jim Brown.

How many records set by Hall of Fam RB's must he break before receiving some credit?

Remember, Murray averaged over 5 yards a carry in two of the three seasons leading up to the 2014 season.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Later, I will demonstrate how Murray's average yards per carry decreased in 2014 from the previous 3 years .

Murray didn't just look good, he produced the greatest season for a RB in Cowboy history. I agree that the O-line should share credit and another RB may have had a good year but it takes both elements to produce a record year like that. The offense line enhanced what was going to be a great year for Murray regardless

I can't take anyone seriously that might suggest any RB could get behind this line and automatically break a 50 year old record for consecutive 100 yard games held by Jim Brown.

How many records set by Hall of Fam RB's must he break before receiving some credit?

Remember, Murray averaged over 5 yards a carry in two of the three seasons leading up to the 2014 season.

So if Murray is such a special back, how many yards will he have in Philly? If he is as good as you would have people believe then he will put up big numbers in philly too? My guess is he will struggle to eclipse 1,000 yards because he's middle of the road talent wise. He's a grinder and good at picking up what's there but once he gets in the open field he isn't much of a threat. Average vision, not elusive, not fast.

 

[DallasEast]

So if Murray is such a special back, how many yards will he have in Philly? If he is as good as you would have people believe then he will put up big numbers in philly too? My guess is he will struggle to eclipse 1,000 yards because he's middle of the road talent wise. He's a grinder and good at picking up what's there but once he gets in the open field he isn't much of a threat. Average vision, not elusive, not fast.

Bold--> That's an excellent question to pose in most discussions about Murray. No one will know how effective Murray will be rushing the ball in the Eagles offense until the season unfortunately.

 

[Section446]

He'll be missed, no doubt about it, but who cares at this point?

 

[CF74]

Later, I will demonstrate how Murray's average yards per carry decreased in 2014 from the previous 3 years .

Murray didn't just look good, he produced the greatest season for a RB in Cowboy history. I agree that the O-line should share credit and another RB may have had a good year but it takes both elements to produce a record year like that. The offense line enhanced what was going to be a great year for Murray regardless

I can't take anyone seriously that might suggest any RB could get behind this line and automatically break a 50 year old record for consecutive 100 yard games held by Jim Brown.

How many records set by Hall of Fam RB's must he break before receiving some credit?

Remember, Murray averaged over 5 yards a carry in two of the three seasons leading up to the 2014 season.

Do you have any numbers on how many times Murray made his own holes vs the o-line making huge holes for him? I'm thinking it's somewhere between 3:1 or 5:1 in which Murray made something out of nothing. Going back in my mind it seems there were very few times in which Murray had a huge gaping hole to run thru, somewhere between 1-3 times per game, the rest of the time there were some key blocks or Murray just being a battering ram..

 

[DFWJC]

I object to my thread being moved to the NFL zone.

This topic is about the decision of the Dallas Cowboys to devalue a RB that , in my opinion, was the catalyst of this franchise's turnaround.

I provided data that was completely the results of DeMarco Murray AS A DALLAS COWBOY!
The point I was making was that the opinions on Murray's performance and production AS A DALLAS COWBOY was immersed in non-fact and I was making an effort to present the real facts to demonstrate the probable repercussions to the future success of THE DALLAS COWBOYS.
Since the Fan Zone is riddled with topics concerning players that are NOT DALLAS COWBOYS, including numerous ones about DeMarco Murray, I can only conclude that this forum is managed by those who base their decisions on hypocrisy, bias, and personal agenda.

I have no choice but to question this forum's value as a fair and impartial venue to express my opinions and enjoy civil discussion and debate on my team.....THE DALLAS COWBOYS

Good grief man. They didn't remove your thread.
The NFL Zone is still relevant.

And btw, Murray did have a great year last year.
I'm not one who thinks anybody can just replace him.
But he was our RB for those three 8-8 seasons.

Many think the real difference was the breakthrough of the Oline finally being a dominant unit..and also an improved (though still not to hot) defense.
Many think if you had to part with a player or unit, you keep
Romo
Oline
Dez

All before Murray.

If you think it's all Murray,good for you. It's an open forum.
I guess well be 8-8 again this year.

 

[DFWJC]

Do you have any numbers on how many times Murray made his own holes vs the o-line making huge holes for him? I'm thinking it's somewhere between 3:1 or 5:1 in which Murray made something out of nothing. Going back in my mind it seems there were very few times in which Murray had a huge gaping hole to run thru, somewhere between 1-3 times per game, the rest of the time there were some key blocks or Murray just being a battering ram..

Well, I did see that Murray led the league in number of carries for no gain or a loss.

He also gained nearly 1000 yards BEFORE contact--which is probably an NFL record.

He did have a great year....fantastic.
But we must have been watching different games if you think he created his own hole 3-5 times more than the Oline did

 

[CF74]

Well, I did see that Murray led the league in number of carries for no gain or a loss.

He also gained nearly 1000 yards BEFORE contact--which is probably an NFL record.

He did have a great year....fantastic.
But we must have been watching different games if you think he created his own hole 3-5 times more than the Oline did

Nearly 1,000 yds out of some 1,800+ sounds like nearly 50/50. I'm just trying to figure it out. He did run around the edge a few times a game so there's that to factor in as well..

 

[Maxmadden]

Well, I did see that Murray led the league in number of carries for no gain or a loss.

He also gained nearly 1000 yards BEFORE contact--which is probably an NFL record.

He did have a great year....fantastic.
But we must have been watching different games if you think he created his own hole 3-5 times more than the Oline did

That sounds like a myth.

 

[Idgit]

I can't speak for all of us, but I for one will never forget Demarcus Murphy. Or the contributions he made in Dallas before leaving to play for our division rival Eagles for more money.

 

[muck4doo]

I think OP is saying Iggles win the Super Bowl.....

 

[jrumann59]

two years his injuries were of the non contact nature. Last year if he was not running for money would have sat the final 4 games.

 

[jrumann59]

Well, I did see that Murray led the league in number of carries for no gain or a loss.

He also gained nearly 1000 yards BEFORE contact--which is probably an NFL record.

He did have a great year....fantastic.
But we must have been watching different games if you think he created his own hole 3-5 times more than the Oline did

And if he had above average vision or was not trying to prove he is a "tough" runner he would have broke the single season rushing mark by a pretty decent margin.

 

[DFWJC]

And if he had above average vision or was not trying to prove he is a "tough" runner he would have broke the single season rushing mark by a pretty decent margin.

Totally agree

 

[big dog cowboy]

And if he had above average vision or was not trying to prove he is a "tough" runner he would have broke the single season rushing mark by a pretty decent margin.

There is no doubt that Murray could have had 2000+ yards season with better vision. Thinking he could have set that record isn't a real stretch either.

 

[DandyDon52]

I have thought long about the way this board and these fans treated Murray. The excuses they have made about him to assuage his leaving. And while I believe what you are saying, and admire your research, I think this comes down to one thing.

Fans, like the American society, since fandom tends to mirror the behaviors of the non-football society, requires someone to take the blame for results that are not what the fan expected, anticipated, hoped for. This is a blame assigning society, and someone has to pay for the Green Bay loss. Murray's fumble, caused by Peppers, means he is held accountable.

This was the very same knee-jerk when Fasano dropped a pass for a touchdown in a play-off game. The same genuflection when Crayton short-armed a pass in a play-off game.

But the dichotomy with this emotional blame game is the stature of the player in the eyes of the masses. If this were Romo who fumbled the ball, - and we have that example in a field goal situation in a play-off game -it would be glossed over and the defense would have been held suspect. So the altitude of the fans esteem over a player can absolve culpability and swing it toward someone or something else. I am not knocking Romo nor blaming the Seattle loss on the field goal. Merely offering an exemplar on how this phenomenon works. This is a demonstration of the group mind think the hopeful fan who puts all his/her eggs in one pet cat basket exhibit, diverting fault to others.

It doesn't matter the game could have been won, and should have been won by attacking Green Bay's offense and Rodgers in the first half, forcing him to stay off balance. Instead the coaches played it safe and allowed him to get a rhythm. But what stays in the minds of fans so starved for a positive end to a season considering the twenty years since that occurred, is to find a reason for their hurt feelings.

The scapegoat.

Because disappointment needs a reason, and that reason needs to be someone's fault!

I do not believe in injury prone, which indicates a serendipity involvement, or some short coming on the players part. I do not believe in this idea that after a great season expect him to become average. I also do not believe in this idea it was the line and anyone can supplant a pretty gifted running back and can find the right hole and hit it.

But what caused all the excuse making by those who were so vocal about Murray leaving because of money - which is absurd since the team could have retained him and done everything they did. Stephen Jones has scoffed at the idea the cap prevents moves, and his quote is even a sig of one of the fans here.

It comes down to blaming someone for how bad the fan feels when the season ends abruptly, with the outcome falling short of the fans hopes and dreams.

And with culpability - factual or perceived - comes punishment.

Of course the torch and pitchfork crowd will vehemently deny this. Dressing up disappointment in logical team management type of commentary about cap and the future with the unproven tends to disguise the hurt feelings of those in grief mode.

But for those who will feast on the players of their own team, a good 'ol lynching party is exactly what the doctor ordered to fill that hole left by an unfulfilled season where the foundation was built so heavily on hope exacerbated by twenty years of arid history.

good post, fans did seem to blame it all on Murray. while at same time they glorified dez, who also dropped a ball and only caught 3.
The GB loss was a team loss , players and coaches all made mistakes that led to the loss.
part of it was aikman saying it was a sure td if he does not fumble, which it would not have been a td .

Murray is gone, he took a great offer by philly, so that is it.
Now only time will tell who made the wrong choices, Murray, Chip, Jerry and his boy.
Will be interesting to see how it turns out, and the 2nd week game with philly will be very interesting due to all this.

 

[DandyDon52]

There is no doubt that Murray could have had 2000+ yards season with better vision. Thinking he could have set that record isn't a real stretch either.

I am a murray fan, but I have to agree, Murray's vision is not good. I wonder if he has bad peripheral vision?
Many times he seemed to have open space to run to but went a different direction, and often ran into other players including his own lol.
He was good at seeing small openings in the line, but after he got past the line he made some odd choices.
With better vision and choices he could have gone over 2000.