Smashing the "Murray Myths"

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DeMarco Murray is a good running back who had one great season. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Corso said:
Why are you talking about that Eagles player? Who cares anymore.
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I agree. The only thing that can be said about Murray is that he is a good RB that had one great year while he was a Cowboy. I think the RB position will not be as good this this as it was last year, but Murray is not going to be the solution. He is history. Enough is enough. I hope the team moves on and finds a quality replacement for Murray, but there is no need for discussing him now. One thing is for certain, Murray will not be a part of this team this year. He is now a topic for Eagle's fans to discuss. I hope they enjoy watching him burn out.
 
TwoDeep3 said:
I have thought long about the way this board and these fans treated Murray. The excuses they have made about him to assuage his leaving. And while I believe what you are saying, and admire your research, I think this comes down to one thing.

Fans, like the American society, since fandom tends to mirror the behaviors of the non-football society, requires someone to take the blame for results that are not what the fan expected, anticipated, hoped for. This is a blame assigning society, and someone has to pay for the Green Bay loss. Murray's fumble, caused by Peppers, means he is held accountable.

This was the very same knee-jerk when Fasano dropped a pass for a touchdown in a play-off game. The same genuflection when Crayton short-armed a pass in a play-off game.

But the dichotomy with this emotional blame game is the stature of the player in the eyes of the masses. If this were Romo who fumbled the ball, - and we have that example in a field goal situation in a play-off game -it would be glossed over and the defense would have been held suspect. So the altitude of the fans esteem over a player can absolve culpability and swing it toward someone or something else. I am not knocking Romo nor blaming the Seattle loss on the field goal. Merely offering an exemplar on how this phenomenon works. This is a demonstration of the group mind think the hopeful fan who puts all his/her eggs in one pet cat basket exhibit, diverting fault to others.

It doesn't matter the game could have been won, and should have been won by attacking Green Bay's offense and Rodgers in the first half, forcing him to stay off balance. Instead the coaches played it safe and allowed him to get a rhythm. But what stays in the minds of fans so starved for a positive end to a season considering the twenty years since that occurred, is to find a reason for their hurt feelings.

The scapegoat.

Because disappointment needs a reason, and that reason needs to be someone's fault!

I do not believe in injury prone, which indicates a serendipity involvement, or some short coming on the players part. I do not believe in this idea that after a great season expect him to become average. I also do not believe in this idea it was the line and anyone can supplant a pretty gifted running back and can find the right hole and hit it.

But what caused all the excuse making by those who were so vocal about Murray leaving because of money - which is absurd since the team could have retained him and done everything they did. Stephen Jones has scoffed at the idea the cap prevents moves, and his quote is even a sig of one of the fans here.

It comes down to blaming someone for how bad the fan feels when the season ends abruptly, with the outcome falling short of the fans hopes and dreams.

And with culpability - factual or perceived - comes punishment.

Of course the torch and pitchfork crowd will vehemently deny this. Dressing up disappointment in logical team management type of commentary about cap and the future with the unproven tends to disguise the hurt feelings of those in grief mode.

But for those who will feast on the players of their own team, a good 'ol lynching party is exactly what the doctor ordered to fill that hole left by an unfulfilled season where the foundation was built so heavily on hope exacerbated by twenty years of arid history.
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In other words, people hate Murray because he left to Philly, or any player when they leave. And people don't want to blame a QB who's been here more than a decade, and opted to gamble his season away with a low percentage pass on 4th down, vs getting the first down (twice in the same game), or a Coach who wet the bed by going conservative in Green Bay, so the obvious choice was to blame Murray who put this team on his shoulders and took us to Green Bay.

Homers wanted Ware gone, then ******* about not having a pass-rush. Homer Fans are not the barometer of how good a player is because they have no clue. When you're overly emotionally involved, you basically lose all intellectual ability. Consequently, I don't listen to anything homers have to say when it comes to how good a player is. I wish I could "like" your post a million times.
 
I always liked Murray but as above posters have mentioned, he is no longer a Cowboy. I loved the stories of his MMA training. I thought he was a "tough guy." I love what he gave the team last year. With all that said, I never thought he was a great RB. He is arguably above average. If Dallas thought he was very good to great they would have offered more than a contract averaging $4 mil a year going into 2014. They know him very well and decided it was not financially wise to keep him with the salary cap implications. He should not be considered in the same stature as Dorsett or Emmitt. He is much closer to being comparable to MB3.

His rushing yards for his four seasons with Dallas are 897, 663, 1,121, and 1,845. Overall, that is 2 sorry years, one decent year, and one great contract year. The average is decent but not great; 1131.5.

I want what is best for Cowboys and not matching the contract that the eagles gave him is better than him still being a Cowboy. I wish him no ill will. I also wish the best for McFadden, Randle, Dunbar, or Ryan Williams!
 
Controlling the dialog is prima fascia evidence of what I am speaking about.

Because some wish to discuss the leaving of a workhorse running back and the reasons behind it, others want to control this dialog. Make it go away.

Labeling it as a loyalty to the team by dismissing any questions and comments about this subject just underscores the intent by those who must have every comment about their favorite team seep with hope and promise, and no doubts or questions be proffered.

The haste to remind he is not a Cowboy and to drop the subject is similar to someone putting his fingers in his ears and singing la,la,la,la,la,la, so he won't hear something that disturbs him and rocks his boat.

There is a psychological reasoning behind why some do this, but the usual suspects whose attention span has been eroded by text messaging won't read 1200 words on why they do what it is they do.

Let me leave this as a Cliff Note's version of what this is about.

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TwoDeep3 said:
Controlling the dialog is prima fascia evidence of what I am speaking about.

Because some wish to discuss the leaving of a workhorse running back and the reasons behind it, others want to control this dialog. Make it go away.

Labeling it as a loyalty to the team by dismissing any questions and comments about this subject just underscores the intent by those who must have every comment about their favorite team seep with hope and promise, and no doubts or questions be proffered.

The haste to remind he is not a Cowboy and to drop the subject is similar to someone putting his fingers in his ears and singing la,la,la,la,la,la, so he won't hear something that disturbs him and rocks his boat.

There is a psychological reasoning behind why some do this, but the usual suspects whose attention span has been eroded by text messaging won't read 1200 words on why they do what it is they do.

Let me leave this as a Cliff Note's version of what this is about.

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Awesome!! So how long do you have to sport that sig? I'm assuming you lost a bet...:laugh:
 
TwoDeep3 said:
Controlling the dialog is prima fascia evidence of what I am speaking about.

Because some wish to discuss the leaving of a workhorse running back and the reasons behind it, others want to control this dialog. Make it go away.

Labeling it as a loyalty to the team by dismissing any questions and comments about this subject just underscores the intent by those who must have every comment about their favorite team seep with hope and promise, and no doubts or questions be proffered.

The haste to remind he is not a Cowboy and to drop the subject is similar to someone putting his fingers in his ears and singing la,la,la,la,la,la, so he won't hear something that disturbs him and rocks his boat.

There is a psychological reasoning behind why some do this, but the usual suspects whose attention span has been eroded by text messaging won't read 1200 words on why they do what it is they do.

Let me leave this as a Cliff Note's version of what this is about.

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I think a lot of what you say is true, there is a psychology behind it. But, I think a lot of fans realize that we will miss Murray but he is in fact gone, so they would rather not dwell on things they have no control over and just move on.
 
Maxmadden said:
I think a lot of what you say is true, there is a psychology behind it. But, I think a lot of fans realize that we will miss Murray but he is in fact gone, so they would rather not dwell on things they have no control over and just move on.
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Now, got off my lawn!
 
plasticman said:
Actually, that is myth #4.
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Murray started 37 out of the last 39 games for Dallas. That is pretty sturdy.

He also had over 5700 yds and 29 TDs in his 4 years, that is one helluva single season.

He will be missed and letting him go was a mistake.
 
plasticman said:
First, let me explain the difference between myth and truth.

Myths almost always started from a truth that was blown to exaggeration. Throughout the ages the real story is not interesting or substantial enough to be of interest and so certain liberties are taken by the narrators. over time, these exaggerations replace the truth. The story is repeated so often that it is first accepted as the new truth. However, more time passes and the "enhancements" on the real story becomes so improbable that it becomes relegated to fiction.

We have reached this point when it comes to describing the career of DeMarco Murray thus far.

Myth #1:

"DeMarco Murray" is injury prone and has been since his college days."

Yes, Murray is "injury prone", in it's strictest definition. that is, he is prone to injury, there exists a probability that he could become injured again.

Newsflash!:

He's a running back! All running backs are prone to injury, they are constantly running full speed into a group of guys bigger then them. To us, a full game as a running back would be similar to experiencing 20 to 25 car wrecks. RB's get beat up, they get hurt, they become injured.

When you look at the top twenty active RB's in the league, there is not a single one that played in every game. Only 5 of them have missed less than 10 games. 12 of them have missed more than a seasons worth of games.

When you look at the missed games as a percentage of all possible games, DeMarco is in the middle of the top 20, missing 17.2% of his games.

By the way, Darren McFadden is the leader in games missed at 25.9%.

Ahmad Bradshaw, Arian Foster, Ryan Matthews, DeAngelo Williams, Reggie Bush and Fred Jackson have also been more "injury prone"

When you look at the top 50 backs in NFL history since the 16 game format, the average percentage of missed games is 13.3%. It may shock you to learn that the 2nd least injured top 50 RB was Eddie George....who carried the ball over 400 times in his fifth season....over 300 times in each of his 4 previous seasons and over 300 times in the 3 seasons following his 5th...but I'll get to the "workhorse season burnout" myth later.

But here is where a point needs to be made:

Only three of the top twenty active RB's have been more productive per season played than DeMarco Murray.

Translation:

Even if it is true than Murray is more injury prone than some of them, he is still more productive overall. An occasionally injured DeMarco Murray produces more than even the healthiest RB's in the league today.

When it comes to the perception that DeMarco Murray had an injury prone college career then I just have to ask how that could be possible when:

Since 2000 DeMarco Murray led all Oklahoma RB's in All Purpose TD's, 3rd in Big 12, 4th in the NCAA.

Since 2000 he leads all Oklahoma RB's in touches (combined carries and receptions), yards from scrimmage and TDs from scrimmage.

We are talking about a major college program known for running the ball. This isn't Alaska Junior College.

How can this be possible when the perception has been he spends a great deal of his time on the sidelines and in whirlpools during college?

How can it be possible that only two other Oklahoma players have been in more college games since 2000 than DeMarco Murray's 50? Murray missed 5 games, an average of a game a season. Go back and see how many college backs can play every game of the season. See how many can do it as a primary back for almost 4 full seasons.

In Murray's rookie season he ran behind an offensive line that started the season with only two players on the O-line that had previous starting experience with the Cowboys, Free and Kosier, former 4th and 7th round picks respectively.

The following year the Cowboys started all 5 O-linemen at positions they had never started as a Dallas Cowboy. It would be fair to say that Murray wasn't as much injury prone as he was exposed to danger.

With that said, DeMarco Murray ended his Cowboy career with 26 consecutive starts, the last being the divisional playoff game. During those 26 games he averaged over 100 yards per game rushing and 130 yards from scrimmage.

Next myth I expose:

"NFL RB's that carry the balls as many times as Murray did in 2014 typically burnout as a result and are never the same for the rest of their career."
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Emmitt was never injured as much.
 
bkight13 said:
Murray started 37 out of the last 39 games for Dallas. That is pretty sturdy.

He also had over 5700 yds and 29 TDs in his 4 years, that is one helluva single season.

He will be missed and letting him go was a mistake.
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You make very good points, but whether it was a mistake is yet to be seen. If we rush for 2300 yards with a 4.4 average with 16 rushing TDs next season or anywhere near those numbers, then maybe it wasn't a mistake and a good move. Save money and still get the same production. The only question outside of rushing is the RB's responsibility to block for Romo.

I think we can meet those rushing stats without Murray. If we do, we saved a bunch of money on our car insurance. :D
 
DFWJC said:
Just off the top of my head and with no effort, the first 5 players I could think of that have been more productive than Murray on a per year basis...all, in fact WERE more productive so far.

Murray averages 1403 per year *rushing/receiving)

In no order:
Matt Forte,
Adrian Peterson,
Chris Johnson,
Arian Foster,
LeSean McCoy

all have been more productive on a per season basis.
And those were the first 5 I thought of...maybe someone else can add more...not sure.

And it's way harder the longer your career is to keep up high averages.
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Two of those guys have had HoF worthy stats-Petrson and Foster
CJ2K had one of the best starts to a career any RB has ever had
McCoy is very similar to Murray and Forte has been the epitome of consistency.

That is an outstanding group to be a associated with.
 
Sam I Am said:
You make very good points, but whether it was a mistake is yet to be seen. If we rush for 2300 yards with a 4.4 average with 16 rushing TDs next season or anywhere near those numbers, then maybe it wasn't a mistake and a good move. Save money and still get the same production. The only question outside of rushing is the RB's responsibility to block for Romo.

I think we can meet those rushing stats without Murray. If we do, we saved a bunch of money on our car insurance. :D
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We are still talking about because we have done nothing to improve our situation.

DMC is a has been, RWilliams is a never been and Randle is back up.

We are presently 13m under the cap and still have Carr at 12.7m. Money is not the issue.
 
bkight13 said:
Two of those guys have had HoF worthy stats-Petrson and Foster
CJ2K had one of the best starts to a career any RB has ever had
McCoy is very similar to Murray and Forte has been the epitome of consistency.

That is an outstanding group to be a associated with.
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No doubt.

He was saying there were three. I was just saying that I checked the first 5 that came to my head and he had less than all of them. There may be more, I didn't even bother to look.


But anyway, I think Murray has been very good so far.
 
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