So much for the cover 2 shell kryptonite

[Aftershock]

Correct me if I'm wrong but 2 high shell just means there are two deep half coverage safeties. you can still do 2 high with man underneath which would be considered more of a man defense with 2 deep safeties covering deep.

 

[DuncanIso]

Correct me if I'm wrong but 2 high shell just means there are two deep half coverage safeties. you can still do 2 high with man underneath which would be considered more of a man defense with 2 deep safeties covering deep.

Dak has struggled vs 2 man press. The giants discovered this in 2016/17.

 

[JBS]

cover 2 …2 man press….

Dak seems to struggle vs Cover 2 Robber.

People in here legit think 2 high safeties means zone defense lolol. What!?

 

[Playmaker3128]

I still think the difference is him using his legs more. If your gonna at cover 2 and not get home he can buy time and make you pay. That’s been a huge difference so far this year

 

[ScipioCowboy]

There’s cover 2 zone and cover 2 man. Either way, the safeties are responsible for the deep halves of the field. The OP said nothing about man or zone specifically. He was talking about two high shell where the safety responsibilities are the same regardless of which coverage is being playing underneath them.

 

[Jstopper]

Dak do love separation.
Man coverage? Not so much. Press man even less.

lol you guys expose yourselves everyday. Laughable. A few months ago his detractors were saying Dak carves up man coverage and blitzes easily but struggles with zone. Now you’re saying the exact opposite. Y’all can’t even get the story straight anymore

 

[clff15701]

Yes it is.
The main two option routes that Moore had been calling are the post or the out to Gallup, on the outside. And the hook or post to Lamb on the inside. Both of those routes accompanied by a shallow crosser would jet the job done. But, Moore called the option to Lamb too often, and defenses countered it by clogging the middle. Taking away Lamb and the crosser at the same time. So, Moore (finally) adjusted to the clogging the middle strategy, by throwing to our RB's in the flat.


Moore's current play calling, RB's in the flat, is designed to beat the cover two zone. When teams play a lot of man against us we have the advantage with Lamb and Shultz. Lamb can't be covered by man in the slot, and Shultz can't be covered by a LB in a one on one situation. So, Moore has defenses in a pick your poison situation, he just has to keep it up.

Is that the dump off to pollard that we are seeing? Any idea on why he calls that bunch formation so much or the all verticals? Are those give up calls?

 

[buybuydandavis]

lol you guys expose yourselves everyday. Laughable. A few months ago his detractors were saying Dak carves up man coverage and blitzes easily but struggles with zone. Now you’re saying the exact opposite. Y’all can’t even get the story straight anymore

*plonk*

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Is that the dump off to pollard that we are seeing? Any idea on why he calls that bunch formation so much or the all verticals? Are those give up calls?

Three WR bunches are normally used against zone coverage. Two guys stretch the zone to get one guy open. In man coverage they're used to create rub routes. So the OC needs to know if the defense is playing man or zone to call the appropriate bunch plays.

The all verticals are used to decipher how many DB's are responsible for deep down field coverage. It tells the OC if the defense has two or three DB's responsible for deep coverage.

The Eagles played a lot of zone in the first half and a lot of man in the second. Some plays work good against two deep zone, some don't. So you have to call three WR bunches sometimes and all verticals sometimes to know how to attack the defense.

The RB's in the flat are also used as check plays to see what the defense is running. Most linebackers aren't good in coverage. So, a running back can be open quite often, against man coverage. Zone coverage is designed to keep everything in front of the defensive players. So a running back in the flat can easily get open against zone coverage.

I've been wanting Kellen Moore to call more vertical routes as well as more passes to the running backs in the flat. Because, those plays stretch the defense vertically and horizontally, while letting the OC know what type of defenses they're playing against. It's easy to call plays when you know what you're up against. So kudos to More for finally figuring it out.

 

[Beaker42]

Here's one you can program into your computer....have you considered that the Eagles were giving shows in preparation for any play-off game?

I doubt it. Looked to be pretty much what we saw game 1 against them in Philthy. Plus, they were absolutely trying to clinch in Dallas so they could rub it in.

 

[ConstantReboot]

It's been said that Dak struggles against the cover two. A cover two look, at the snap of the ball, makes it hard to distinguish man from zone. Trying to beat the coverage, no matter what it is, is why Moore normally calls a bunch of option routes. On option routes Dak has to read one defender instead of the whole defense. So he ends up staring down that defender. And that's when the unknowledgeable come in and say...Dak can't read defenses. But the truth is route combinations that create high low situations can beat cover two... man or zone. That's why we been seeing a lot of passes to our RB's in the flat here lately.

Kellen Moore had to learn how to beat cover two without calling a bunch of option routes. So Dak is playing better because Moore's play calling has gotten better. Posters have often wondered, is it Dak holding this team back or is it Moore holding this team back? Well now you have your answer...it's been the play calling. Better play calling...better Dak. It's just that simple.

I also have to factor in that TY is a deep threat and that when he goes deep it takes a safety to his side. This opens up the middle of the field on the intermediate routes underneath. That was what killed the Philly with Lamb running up the middle.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I doubt it. Looked to be pretty much what we saw game 1 against them in Philthy. Plus, they were absolutely trying to clinch in Dallas so they could rub it in.

Which is exactly my point, they didn't show anything different... which is strange when teams make in-game adjustments at half-time, let alone second match-up of the season (and the first game was particularly close).

 

[tunahelper]

Anybody else notice how during the broadcast they pointed out how amazing Dak has been against the coverage that was supposed to be "the blueprint" to stopping this offense? I seems that Dak and Moore may well have actually learned something these past few months. Because those numbers they put up were just insane. Something ridiculous like 95% completion rate.. I don't have the exact numbers handy .. will have to rewatch the game for the particulars.. but it was stupid good.

Running the ball well will help any QB shred cover 2.

I like how they are using Pollard underneath and flashing him under the Mike linebacker. Cover 2 better have a superior MLB, especially with Pollard being the X factor.

 

[Flamma]

Anybody else notice how during the broadcast they pointed out how amazing Dak has been against the coverage that was supposed to be "the blueprint" to stopping this offense? I seems that Dak and Moore may well have actually learned something these past few months. Because those numbers they put up were just insane. Something ridiculous like 95% completion rate.. I don't have the exact numbers handy .. will have to rewatch the game for the particulars.. but it was stupid good.

Denver played cover 1 all game until the game was all but over. Then they switched to a zone which is why the Cowboys scored any points at all.

They played cover 1 Rat, and cover 1 cross all game. No cover 2 anything. Cover 1 Cross looks like cover 2 until the ball is snapped. The sad part about the entire thing was not so much that we couldn't pass the ball, but that we couldn't run the ball against 5 and 6 man boxes.

 

[doomsday9084]

I have said this in other threads: If you didn't figure it out, both defenses were doing nothing special. Philly couldn't have been running a more basic scheme and Dallas wasn't far behind. The people on this board figured out there was a likely round 3 in the playoffs and the game was ultimately meaningless. Siriano said it to McCarthy after the game. Neither side was trying to do anything special on either side of the ball in order to not give the other team film to study. That favors offense.

Don't try to draw conclusions from that game either way. Round 3 is going to look VERY different.

 

[Sydla]

Gaslighting won’t save you either.

Ummm 2 high man, or 2 man, does exist. Two safeties in zone, they play man underneath.

 

[Sydla]

Cover 2 zone is a defense yess but the concept of the safeties playing two deep. That concept doesn't change *******. The safeties are still playing deep half's in cover 2. Dumby. We aren't talking about the other players just the safeties taking away the deep half's. Smh. You think your so smart too.

But I think his point was the stat was against all zone defense, not just cover two. You guys are arguing semantics.

At the end of the day, Dak played great beyond that self admitted bad pass to Sweat for the pick six.