So, whose responsible for this less-than-stellar draft?

[9darter]

I prefer this draft class to last year's trading up for a CB and picks like Crawford, Wilber, Johnson.

Frederick, Escobar, Williams and Randle will be better value on their rookie deals than Claiborne, Crawford, Wilber and Johnson.

 

[ragman]

Nfl.com gave us the highest rating in the league

Rainer Sabin, staff writer for my local paper, The Dallas Morning News, gave the Cowboys and Commanders a B, the Eagles a B+, and the Giants an A.

 

[DenCWBY]

I guess the ansewer will take a year or 2 to know. If these guys fail then it was Jerry, if they pan out it was Garrett and the scouting department.

Yes the answer will be in a couple of years so we're all speculating. The blame or credit will be either JJ or JG or both if the team is successful. They have put themselves in that situation and JJ will apparently leave the chips all on the table either way (with his hands on the team). You do have to consider the pattern of any organization that fails year after year and disect the only consistent part of it which is usually the problem. This draft may make the team and may improve the team itself. However if the team is still 8-8 or loses their first playoff game again this year, I doubt that anyone (but a few) will feel any better about this draft or our future.
JJ is fighting an uphill battle and each year the hill gets a little steeper or in his words "the window is shutting". It's going to get harder for him to get credit as the pressure mounts for a championship unless he backs off and out of the organization to let the coaches and staff (football minds) run the business.
Sadly I truly feel that JJ does not have a clue and worse (after this draft) I question his son's football acumen. Not because these players (they picked) will be failures, but because (JJ and Son) aren't smart football people.

 

[Wood]

not one person on this board can answer who is responsible for this draft because the front office doesn't even know. It changes by the minute. At times Tom C. is running things until Jerry gets man crush on a player and intervenes. Then there is Jason getting in on action by grabbing some offensive players to help him look better as play caller. Its a mush. They occasionally get lucky but over past 10 years Dallas lowest retention rate of draft picks in division. I will say this...they are consistent.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I guess the ansewer will take a year or 2 to know. If these guys fail then it was Jerry, if they pan out it was Garrett and the scouting department.

Your first sentence is very true.

My concerns: Frederick the Giant was a reach (a reach in the 1st round).
As well regarded as the TE is, that was not a critical need.
The WR, again, IF he does provide depth behind Austin and Dez, did not address a critical need.

As a sop to Kiffin, we did draft a FS and a CB in the latter rounds. But what about our defensive front line?

Whatever Jerra does, yes, will be questioned, but all we kin do is wait for these lads to develop. With the exception of Frederick the Giant, all will not be starting this year.
the more I look at this draft the more I want to give it a C-, but my beer-fed optimism makes me think of it in terms of a C on speculation.

 

[kirkjrk]

In my mind, it seemed to be a Jerra-Stephen draft: You know, two "football guys" pulling a fast one by getting the O lineman (Frederick the Giant) no team could live without. Then the Jones braintrust goes for a so-so TE that did not address other critical needs. Then, a WR when, again, there is no critical need for one (albeit China Doll Austin probably does need a backup). Then came the later rounds with marginal athletes that even the experts will not vouch for, so Jerra-Stepha cannot be blamed for these later picks.

Really, did Jason Garrett even have a say in these proceedings?

Who knows, this draft might well be the best in our history (yeah, and Al Davis will come back from heaven and buy a team in Farmers Branch: The Fighting Idiots from Farmers Branch).

Or it could be another mediocre draft with the 'Boys ending up with 1 serviceable player (probably the TE). But most possibly this will rank with the worst.

Mens, my question to you, the unwashed but loyal, energy-drink drinking mens, was this a Jerra draft? Was this a Jerra-Stephen draft or was this a Jason Garrett draft.

Please, do not give me the This was a Scouts draft because Jerra pulls the trigger on drafts.

Methinks the middle option, with father and son being "football guys" and drafting for respect (theirs) and to show the rest of the free world that their aesthetic sense of talent and athleticism is better than the "experts"?

Our draft: Not having seen the lads in action, a solid C.

I weep for the future.

Well, if what Jerry said is true, about the first three picks all being in the low 20's on their draft board, then the Scouts have some or all the blame for the board. Now as the draft played out Jerry and Stephen ran the whole show and very seldom spoke with Jason or that tobacco chewing Head Scout Tom. It was evident that they reveled in being front and center and it was their biggest moment of the year to shine. Again, they made fools of themselves and insured the team would again be mediocre this year.

I've seen almost everyone on the team blamed for this and that over the years, especially the last 3 to 4, but very seldom, if ever, the Scouts. Why not? If they tend to overrate players and move them up 1-3 rounds from where they should be, then drafting these players are very poor value picks. Again, based on what Jerry said, these first 3 players were rated in the low 20's. I'll go on record and tell you no one else even came close to rating these players that high, even the novice of mockers.

In summary, whoever is building the board, and there is other evidence of the same overrating, then they should be shown the door, today not tomorrow. If the Board is bad, then Jerry could do everything perfect and the actual Draft would still be terrible. As they say in the computer world--garbage in garbage out.

I also noticed no sense of urgency from Jerry or Stephen until one to two picks before the teams. I know a lot of preliminary calls have been made but it seemed that they still should be working the phones, especially the 1st pick. I think this had something to do with them being caught with their pants down and having to take the only trade available , which resulted in not getting fair value for the 18th pick. The picks they took was the worst they could have selected. It should have been 31 and 61 or the one I liked 34,74,93. Both scenarios were almost equal in value to the 18th pick. If nothing else pick Floyd and find a trade partner(s) that could generate additional picks. At worst we would have been stuck with Floyd. I personally don't think that would be so bad.

 

[TINGS21]

Cowboys haven't averaged 25 per game since the 2007 season, getting Romo some weapons is a need.

I would say are lack of scoring has to do with our inability to run block bc of our "maulers" we have on the line. Are Redzone scoring has not been pretty the last few years and i think a lot has to do with our running game not who Tony has to throw to.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

The same people who are responsible for the last 3 drafts (2010-2012 which have been pretty good) and the 2009 debacle.

Look, you win some and you lose some. Get over it. The Cowboys seem to have got some good players in the 2013 draft. As Parcells rightfully said when evaluating, "separate the player from where he was drafted." We'll find out soon enough whether these players can play.

Your attempt to grade this draft is an exercise in futility. Not only don't you know what you are grading, you don't have a clue as to what criteria to use.

Only a fool would grade the draft on need right now. Unless you know what the team needs at the beginning of Sept and the beginning of Dec.

In the absence of a definitive one-or-two-word term for the draft, most who care about football are prone to deliver a grade. so get over it and don't hate to see grades handed out.

An exercise in futility? Maybe but that is the way most fans see the draft, in terms of a grade. I would advise you to avoid all draft news the day or two after the NFL draft because they will be all over the Internet and the rest of the media.
I give your post an B for a good effort, btw.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Frederick, Escobar, Williams and Randle will be better value on their rookie deals than Claiborne, Crawford, Wilber and Johnson.

If you are correct I will buy you a steak dinner and drinks at a fancy Farmers Br . . . a fancy Dallas restaurant and buy you a Randle jersey. We need all the hep we can get and our fans deserve something better than a 8-8 season.

 

[GoCowboysGo]

I would say are lack of scoring has to do with our inability to run block bc of our "maulers" we have on the line. Are Redzone scoring has not been pretty the last few years and i think a lot has to do with our running game not who Tony has to throw to.

We have (and have had for a long time) a terrible O line, that's why red zone scoring is spotty. You'll get teased with some great plays, but the reason for the inconsistency is the inability to block either in the run game or the passing game.

Heck, even Romo said "thanks for the extra half second" when commenting (tweeting) on the Cowboys first round pick.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Nfl.com gave us the highest rating in the league

Yeh say what you will, I liked the Draft, especially the two 3rd round choices they should see starting time this year at WR and Safety... B+.

 

[xNitram]

Well it's hard to tell how it's gonna work out, overall im pretty happy with the draft. the 2nd round pick could have been better but he's at good player, just not a need..

But i think we got at steal with Terrance Williams in the 3th round!
that guy is gonna kill it!

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes the answer will be in a couple of years so we're all speculating. The blame or credit will be either JJ or JG or both if the team is successful. They have put themselves in that situation and JJ will apparently leave the chips all on the table either way (with his hands on the team). You do have to consider the pattern of any organization that fails year after year and disect the only consistent part of it which is usually the problem. This draft may make the team and may improve the team itself. However if the team is still 8-8 or loses their first playoff game again this year, I doubt that anyone (but a few) will feel any better about this draft or our future.
JJ is fighting an uphill battle and each year the hill gets a little steeper or in his words "the window is shutting". It's going to get harder for him to get credit as the pressure mounts for a championship unless he backs off and out of the organization to let the coaches and staff (football minds) run the business.
Sadly I truly feel that JJ does not have a clue and worse (after this draft) I question his son's football acumen. Not because these players (they picked) will be failures, but because (JJ and Son) aren't smart football people.

I think the last few drafts have been productive while others early with Lacewell here were not. So change has been made in how the process takes place but still some act as if it is the same old deal when it is not. Our last few drafts have produced some quality player and hopefully that will continue and the results will show. I don't agree with everything they have done but I'm open minded enough to stand up and say things I do agree with even if the end result did not work out as intended.

This past draft getting Fredrick with the 31 st pick may have been a bit of a reach but if he was viewed as a 2nd rd pick then taking him at 31 and getting the player you wanted in the process is not bad. As for credit Jones gets none, when a player shows he is a quality player that was someone else pick only when the player fails do the critics claim it as a Jerry pick.

 

[Oh_Canada]

I don't get the logic:

1.Cowboys never draft lineman first rd, especially olineman-They draft one and it's a reach.

2.Cowboys didn't fill needs-Mainly due to the fact they wanted to stay true to there board and avoid REACHING.

3.Cowboys draft a TE in the second rd when they have one in place and another in waiting-I didn't realize two TE's are sufficient in the NFL. What happens if Witten gets hurt? Would you be ok with one TE with any experience on the roster and another late rd pick and/or college FA?

4.Draft had to be bad because Jason Cole said so-Oh well that solves everything. Cowboys might as well not even show up to training camp. Season is over.

I wonder if there will be a "whose responsible for this great draft" thread if most of these guy pan out?

 

[Future]

I think anyone who fails to see the value in this draft is just butthurt because they spent all their time watching Youtube videos of lineman and making mocks that had us taking 3 of them.

The fan expectation, at least around here, and what the Cowboys wanted to accomplish were obviously not in the same ball park.

 

[Typhus]

So having the #1 ranked Center which we badly needed, the top rated pass catching TE, and the #1 receiver in the NCAA is a bad draft?!

Not to mention a DeMarco Murray clone so we don't have a drop off when/if he goes down and a linebacker that had 7 INTs in the SEC!

If that's a terrible draft to you, what would have been good picks?

The only player I really wanted was Warford in the 2nd round but I trust Callahan to know that his offense can use Escobar and actually live up to the potential.

Yes, at first glance this draft was a little hard to grip, but I love everyone of these picks for talent level. upside, good value for where they were drafted.

If everyone would quit playing off of the personal drafting philosophies and just look at the talent being added, it was a different draft than the fan wanted, but Im loving these picks.

Escobar, Williams, Randle.. not even including Frederick makes this offense so much more versatile and dangerous. Fans will start jumping on board with this draft when they see how important it is to have an infusion of talent like that on offense. The people complaining the most about this draft also believed the only area of need offensivly was OL... and that just wasnt the case.

Adding a Winston in the next few days would be the cherry.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I guess the ansewer will take a year or 2 to know. If these guys fail then it was Jerry, if they pan out it was Garrett and the scouting department.

:laugh1:

 

[Chuck 54]

Clearly a Jerry/Steven draft with input from Jason, coaches and scouts.

That's how it is supposed to be. The GM builds the team and secures the players while trying to give the coach what he says he needs.

Parcells made the phrase "buy the groceries" famous, but it is still very rare in the NFL and has failed often.

 

[Derinyar]

I think this is a pretty average draft, to put an immediate grade on it probably C+ to B range. That having been said this years draft was crazy. Many teams reached on linemen because the skill players were so lack luster. How many people had Pugh and Long going in the first round? I'm guessing about zero.

I think they stayed true to their board, after trading down away from Floyd. I think that is a good thing, unless they were very faulty on their board. They didn't draft for need, which is the primary way that teams tend to end up with players that can't play because they had to have a __ at that pick.

Would I have liked to see a DT in there? Yes, I suspect we don't have Williams if logan makes it a few more picks down. Would another OL have been great? Yup, and I bet we were pretty close to taking Dallas Thomas before he got picked before us.

Now its time to wait and see how these guys do. Remember at one point we were marked down because we took Ware instead of the obviously superior Merriman by some draft analysts.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

I think anyone who fails to see the value in this draft is just butthurt because they spent all their time watching Youtube videos of lineman and making mocks that had us taking 3 of them.

The fan expectation, at least around here, and what the Cowboys wanted to accomplish were obviously not in the same ball park.

This. Especially the last few years.