So, whose responsible for this less-than-stellar draft?

Miller

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Future;5071260 said:
I think anyone who fails to see the value in this draft is just butthurt because they spent all their time watching Youtube videos of lineman and making mocks that had us taking 3 of them.

The fan expectation, at least around here, and what the Cowboys wanted to accomplish were obviously not in the same ball park.

Or they aren't butthurt but realize the value of a strong line and what aging does and they think we basically took guys who need time to develop and aren't in a system we have run so far. There is that.

I don't get the constant talk of the last few drafts when they have led to the same record and many of these guys haven't played enough through injury to be effectively evaluated.
 

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OK, mens, it's been a good discussion.

I think it was largely a Jerra-Stephen draft with minimal input from Jason.

But let's wrap it up before Zkill gets jealous and drops in with one of his little ball of hate comments. Surprised he hasn't yet, but that might be because he's taking that contractor's test involving sheet rock.
 
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Parcells4Life;5071063 said:
So having the #1 ranked Center which we badly needed, the top rated pass catching TE, and the #1 receiver in the NCAA is a bad draft?!

Not to mention a DeMarco Murray clone so we don't have a drop off when/if he goes down and a linebacker that had 7 INTs in the SEC!

If that's a terrible draft to you, what would have been good picks?

The only player I really wanted was Warford in the 2nd round but I trust Callahan to know that his offense can use Escobar and actually live up to the potential.

Any team is only as good as its weakest links. So, you go into a draft looking to improve your team by strengthening those weaknesses. Going into the draft, this team had a sieve of an interior offensive line & the worst RT corps in the NFL. They've probably lost one DT in Josh Brent, & their best DT, Jay Ratliff, can't stay healthy. Even when he is healthy, his production has steadily decreased over the last 3-4 seasons.

I LOVE the Travis Frederick pick. As one draft "expert" said, the fans won't care where he was picked once he starts playing. Not only does he have great talent, he was a four-time academic All-American while earning an engineering degree. A super intelligent, massive OC/OG, (an area of need) is worth a 1st round pick in my book.

TE Gavin Escobar is a very good TE, but they already had a HOF TE in his prime & another, James Hanna, who showed real promise last year. A RT or DT in the second would have filled much more immediate needs & still provided good value. I really like WR Terrance Williams, but a quality WR could have been had later on, when instead, again, they could have gone to the trenches, IMHO.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;5071437 said:
OK, mens, it's been a good discussion.

I think it was largely a Jerra-Stephen draft with minimal input from Jason.

But let's wrap it up before Zkill gets jealous and drops in with one of his little ball of hate comments. Surprised he hasn't yet, but that might be because he's taking that contractor's test involving sheet rock.

Unless these players become top player for us and then it will be more input from Garrett and Jerry and Stephen just rubber stamped it.

I think all were involved and the failure or success of player should be shared by those in the war room.
 

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Jerry he is the GM and is responsible, but because he is his own boss there will never be any accountability and this team will continue to stink. and if your inclined to blame the 'football" people, he is the guy who hired them So its HIS fault, but as usual people will deflect the blame elsewhere Also we have a guy in his son who after him will run the show, yeah all that previous football expierence,ha This whole organization is a joke
 

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anj113;5071536 said:
Jerry he is the GM and is responsible, but because he is his own boss there will never be any accountability and this team will continue to stink. and if your inclined to blame the 'football" people, he is the guy who hired them So its HIS fault, but as usual people will deflect the blame elsewhere Also we have a guy in his son who after him will run the show, yeah all that previous football expierence,ha This whole organization is a joke

I agree success or failure goes to Jerry he is owner and GM but then he also has 3 SB rings and picks like Ware, Witten, Romo, Dez and a host of others belong to him as well. He also gets the blame for bust even those like Carpenter who was a so called BP pick who talked him up because he coached his dad? But Jerry is the GM...

No issue at all from me when people want to cast blame on Jerry problem is when they pick and choose what to blame him on and only give credit to others when things go right.
 

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TINGS21;5071180 said:
I would say are lack of scoring has to do with our inability to run block bc of our "maulers" we have on the line. Are Redzone scoring has not been pretty the last few years and i think a lot has to do with our running game not who Tony has to throw to.

Also it helps to have RB's than can actually stay on the field
 

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GimmeTheBall!;5071022 said:
In my mind, it seemed to be a Jerra-Stephen draft: You know, two "football guys" pulling a fast one by getting the O lineman (Frederick the Giant) no team could live without. Then the Jones braintrust goes for a so-so TE that did not address other critical needs. Then, a WR when, again, there is no critical need for one (albeit China Doll Austin probably does need a backup). Then came the later rounds with marginal athletes that even the experts will not vouch for, so Jerra-Stepha cannot be blamed for these later picks.

Really, did Jason Garrett even have a say in these proceedings?

Who knows, this draft might well be the best in our history (yeah, and Al Davis will come back from heaven and buy a team in Farmers Branch: The Fighting Idiots from Farmers Branch).

Or it could be another mediocre draft with the 'Boys ending up with 1 serviceable player (probably the TE). But most possibly this will rank with the worst.

Mens, my question to you, the unwashed but loyal, energy-drink drinking mens, was this a Jerra draft? Was this a Jerra-Stephen draft or was this a Jason Garrett draft.

Please, do not give me the This was a Scouts draft because Jerra pulls the trigger on drafts.

Methinks the middle option, with father and son being "football guys" and drafting for respect (theirs) and to show the rest of the free world that their aesthetic sense of talent and athleticism is better than the "experts"?

Our draft: Not having seen the lads in action, a solid C.

I weep for the future.

Oh right! This is all Jerry's fault. That is because he has this extensive history of reaching for centers in the first round.

Everyone on this forum was predicting in advance that Jerry Jones would once again overreach for another shiny object ... like a center. If only he had gone against his grain and traded up for a receiver, we would all have breathed a sigh of relief. But, noooooooo!

/end sarcasm

The reality is (at least on this forum) that if a draft pick doesn't meet with one's approval, Jerry Jones did it all by himself, and he is a complete idiot. It is a shame that rational discussion of the pros and cons seems unattainable. I know there are intelligent voices out there on both sides of the argument for each draft pick. But, those voices seem buried under the torrent of irrational venom.
 
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