Some Defensive stats that are offensive

[ElGatoGrande]

They haven't even faced a good offense yet, so I suspect the worst is yet to come.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Did they even have a sack yesterday? That third string QB had all day to throw.

No sacks yesterday

 

[romothesavior]

Is it bad that I expected worse, and didn't think those numbers were that bad for this defense?

They are better than expected. But two of our three games were against subpar offenses (TEN and STL) and we haven't faced an elite QB yet. I'm not willing to get even a small bit optimistic about this defense until I've seen it against an elite QB. Hell, even last year we had a couple of great defensive games (nearly shut out Philly) and we had the worst defense in franchise history. So IMO, the first three games this year have told us very little.

 

[LandryFan]

Well if we can get Ro, Durant, and Spence healthy, and now Scandrick should be back in the groove, our D should improve.

We will need it to against the Saints on Sunday.

Agree. Big "if" on Spence, though. How good do you feel about his ability to really contribute once he returns? I will be very pleasantly surprised if he has a significant impact for the defense.

 

[Brooksey]

You are hoping that Spencer can get and stay healthy...something he has not done in some time.

Even when healthy I am not sure he gives you much pass rush. He can help against the run but he has not been a big sack guy for most of his career. He only had one season with double digit sacks and that was with All Pro Hall of Famer D.Ware on the other side of him.

I don't think it is very realistic for people to think that Spencer coming back is going to make a big difference.

I think it is more realistic to think the Rookie might make a difference when he comes back but that is just blind faith as we have et to see what he can do in a game with the Cowboys.

We shall see.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

We shall see.

Yes We shall.

But let me ask you a serious question.

Do you honestly think Spencer is going to provide much help with team to the point that it actually makes much difference?

Lawrence maybe...I just can't see it with Spencer.

We were relying on him coming back last year and he played about one game...or was it half a game.

 

[Sportsbabe]

Well if we can get Ro, Durant, and Spence healthy, and now Scandrick should be back in the groove, our D should improve.

We will need it to against the Saints on Sunday.

Anyone with a good passing game is going to send me to the insane asylum. The 2 things you need the most against teams like that we are very deficient in .... pass rush and pass defenders. You want to talk about rueing ... we're going to rue the day we come up against Philly if we don't get this stuff fixed. Patmon needs to get worked into the mix some way some how. Spence is coming back but I don't know if he's going to be enough.

 

[jwitten82]

Melton has been pretty much non existant in pass rushing.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Better hope Spencer and Lawrence can help going forward. I think they are fine at LB (w/McClain) and secondary is decent....but with no pass rush it's tough to consistently stop offenses in the NFL. However, in the end they will probably be a middle of the pack group which is a major improvement overall.

 

[Noryb]

Not quite sure if it's time to start judging a team by total sacks yet. The Rams only have 1 sack. The 49ers and Texans only have 4 and the Seahawks have 5. On top of that the league leading Skins have 10 sacks after 3 games but they all came in one game, so in two games they didn't record a sack.

Also, the Cowboys are 10yrds per game away from being in the top half for yds per game and 3 pts per game away from being the 11th ranked team for pts per game. We may be bad but others aren't much better.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Not quite sure if it's time to start judging a team by total sacks yet. The Rams only have 1 sack. The 49ers and Texans only have 4 and the Seahawks have 5. On top of the that the league leading Skins have 10 sacks after 3 games but they all came in one game, so in two games they didn't record a sack.

Right. Everyone talks about how the Rams are the best defensive line in football and they have 1 sack through 3 games.


I think its SILLY to judge a team based on 3 games worth of stats. Will it change? Probably not. But its early.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Melton has been pretty much non existant in pass rushing.

He has yet to really be healthy and have time playing. They have been slowly putting him in and then he gets a groin injury during the game so even though he went back out there, he was not 100%

 

[Brooksey]

Yes We shall.

But let me ask you a serious question.

Do you honestly think Spencer is going to provide much help with team to the point that it actually makes much difference?

Lawrence maybe...I just can't see it with Spencer.

We were relying on him coming back last year and he played about one game...or was it half a game.

I think he can make a difference yes.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Not quite sure if it's time to start judging a team by total sacks yet. The Rams only have 1 sack. The 49ers and Texans only have 4 and the Seahawks have 5. On top of the that the league leading Skins have 10 sacks after 3 games but they all came in one game, so in two games they didn't record a sack.

It is not just the sack department. Did you see the other stats where we are giving up a good deal of yards and points?

Our sack total plays into that but it is not just the one stat that is a problem.

It is not just an anomaly with the rest of the defense stats are great.

One could make an argument that the Skins Sack totals are an anomaly to the rest of their defensive stats but frankly I have not checked their totals so that would be speculation on my part.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

21 of that 69 isn't really on the defense.

But it is clear this defense is a different animal without Ro.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes We shall.

But let me ask you a serious question.

Do you honestly think Spencer is going to provide much help with team to the point that it actually makes much difference?

Lawrence maybe...I just can't see it with Spencer.

We were relying on him coming back last year and he played about one game...or was it half a game.

I think getting Spencer back does help more so than not having him. Spencer has mostly played in a 3-4 not asked as often to come off the edge but to drop out into coverage. With Ryan he was given more opportunities to rush the passer and put up a pretty decent season with 11 sacks in 14 games. I don't expect him to come in and turn this group into a top rated pass rushing team but I do think he helps provide more of a pass rush than what we currently are seeing.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think getting Spencer back does help more so than not having him. Spencer has mostly played in a 3-4 not asked as often to come off the edge but to drop out into coverage. With Ryan he was given more opportunities to rush the passer and put up a pretty decent season with 11 sacks in 14 games. I don't expect him to come in and turn this group into a top rated pass rushing team but I do think he helps provide more of a pass rush than what we currently are seeing.

I don't see it happening.

I will be shocked if he even plays in 5 games this year.

 

[Noryb]

It is not just the sack department. Did you see the other stats where we are giving up a good deal of yards and points?

Our sack total plays into that but it is not just the one stat that is a problem.

It is not just an anomaly with the rest of the defense stats are great.

One could make an argument that the Skins Sack totals are an anomaly to the rest of their defensive stats but frankly I have not checked their totals so that would be speculation on my part.

The Cowboys are 10yrds per game away from being in the top half for yds per game and 3 pts per game away from being the 11th ranked team for pts per game. We may be bad but others aren't much better.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't see it happening.

I will be shocked if he even plays in 5 games this year.

Clearly an injury that is tough to come back from which I think that is why the Cowboys have been cautions with him as he try to get ready to return. I do think having him is better than not having him. If things turn out as you predict then I would expect to see Dallas bring up Sam from the PS as they will be looking to generate outside pressure

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

There is no question that this is the worst pass rushing front I've ever seen with this team. It is laughably bad.

It sure is if you are the opposing team!