Some different - Offseason and Mock

[RS12]

So is your logic that you dont want to spend cap money on the RB position because it is basically plug and play? You want to redirect that money to upgrade the pass rush with vets because rookies dont typically make a huge impact on the DL?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Teams find out that Gurly is unlikely to participate in training camp and he drops to the 2nd round.

Trade R1 (27) for R2(37) and R3(101)

R2 (37) Gurley RB

Love the trade down but what if Gurley is gone by 37?

 

[waving monkey]

Doubtful that Jerry signs one of Hardy and McPhee, let alone BOTH.

It certainly would break the new trend but we'll see

 

[waving monkey]

So is your logic that you dont want to spend cap money on the RB position because it is basically plug and play? You want to redirect that money to upgrade the pass rush with vets because rookies dont typically make a huge impact on the DL?

apparently, but the trend toward youth ensures fresher legs in the fourth quarter and end of season

 

[dwreck27]

Can you honestly see Garrett signing Hardy?

Yes. Dez will get a deal... Oscandrick has a deal... Josh Brent is here...

 

[Risen Star]

If Gurley is on the board and N.E. or Seattle come up they are a good enough teams to draft him and let him recover. Gurley is not your run of the mill RB.

And there was no medical red flag at the combine. Its standard procedure not to have your recently repaired knee poked and prodded by team doctors at the combine. That is a complete non issue.

 

[The Realist]

And there was no medical red flag at the combine. Its standard procedure not to have your recently repaired knee poked and prodded by team doctors at the combine. That is a complete non issue.

Duh. Total non-issue. Following Dr. James Andrews advice. Total non-event. This poster is the only one talking about it.

 

[ghst187]

like most of the draft, I really think we need a OL in the first 3-4 rounds and would use the second RB pick on a G or OT.
There is absolutely no way any of those guys are still available in the 7th round, some folks think Poutasi could go in the first or second.

 

[VACowboy]

Yes. Dez will get a deal... Oscandrick has a deal... Josh Brent is here...

• If there were no off the field concerns about Dez, he'd already have a deal. As it is, all of the "character concerns" with Dez have had to do with immaturity. He's not a criminal. He's not a bad guy. He's a big kid.

• You really want to compare a team leader and long-time Cowboy who did X one time when he was on vacation to a free agent who allegedly beat his girlfriend?

• I don't want to reopen the Josh Brent discussion. I'll just say that drinking and driving is reprehensible and it surprises me that Brent is still on the team. But he was a Cowboy when he did what he did, so Jerry chose to stick by him.

• Hardy allegedly threw some girl around and threatened her life. Evidently he paid her off, er, settled with her in civil court, and she disappeared. To me there's a big difference between bringing a guy with this history onto your team and dealing with guys who are already part of your locker room.

So we'll just have to agree to disagree. It's all speculation at this point anyway. I just know that Garrett has made a concerted effort to build the team a certain way by avoiding players with baggage, and whether he was indicted or not, Hardy has a ton of it.

 

[xwalker]

So is your logic that you dont want to spend cap money on the RB position because it is basically plug and play? You want to redirect that money to upgrade the pass rush with vets because rookies dont typically make a huge impact on the DL?

I wanted to look at a different scenario than most mocks that are focused on DL.

Your statement is basically correct. They need the pass rush issues resolved and depending on rookies to get it done is not enough, IMO. RB is one of the best positions to get production from a rookie, IMO. They can be part of a rotation. I took the 2nd RB because in this scenario Gurley does not participate in training camp or the first 6 games. I actually think Ryan Williams and Randle could handle it for 6 weeks, but Mike Davis is a pet cat of mine so I drafted him just to make certain they had enough options.

The other issue is that I'm not convinced that Murray can stay healthy enough to justify the contract that he wants. His only season to play 16 games was 2014. That combined with the historical drop-off of RB that had 400 touches is a big concern in terms of a big contract.

I see a lot of mocks with multiple DL from top to bottom, but I don't know that DL is really where the Cowboys need more developmental type players. They have a load of developmental types, especially at DT, but not much at DB or LB. The CB Nelson looks like he can contribute from day 1. Shaw is physically something they don't have in that he is a big, fast DB with high upside. I think he could play Safety or CB.

 

[xwalker]

I would be fine with that if shaw is being drafted with the purpose of switching to FS. Dline would be a strength already. I do think Stephone Anthony goes earlier than that though.

Hackett and Poutasi probably will not be there in the 7th round.

Yes, I didn't mention it in my OP, but I listed the current NFLDS rankings which I loosely used to make the picks. I didn't expect all of those 7th round guys to be there which is the reason I listed several.

I agree that Anthony could go earlier, but he is similar talent to Hitchens, IMO, and Hitchens was there in the 4th so it could happen.

 

[xwalker]

Love the trade down but what if Gurley is gone by 37?

There is a big list of players that I would be happy with in the 2nd round.

I went overboard with 2 RBs anyway. I'm basically picking Gurley just because he is too talented to pass up. I'm fine with a rotation of Mike Davis with Ryan Williams and Randle. That was going to be my rotation for the 1st six weeks of the season even with Gurley. Also, there are multiple other RB options anywhere in that 2nd/3rd round range.

 

[VACowboy]

I wanted to look at a different scenario than most mocks that are focused on DL.

Your statement is basically correct. They need the pass rush issues resolved and depending on rookies to get it done is not enough, IMO. RB is one of the best positions to get production from a rookie, IMO. They can be part of a rotation. I took the 2nd RB because in this scenario Gurley does not participate in training camp or the first 6 games. I actually think Ryan Williams and Randle could handle it for 6 weeks, but Mike Davis is a pet cat of mine so I drafted him just to make certain they had enough options.

The other issue is that I'm not convinced that Murray can stay healthy enough to justify the contract that he wants. His only season to play 16 games was 2014. That combined with the historical drop-off of RB that had 400 touches is a big concern in terms of a big contract.

I see a lot of mocks with multiple DL from top to bottom, but I don't know that DL is really where the Cowboys need more developmental type players. They have a load of developmental types, especially at DT, but not much at DB or LB. The CB Nelson looks like he can contribute from day 1. Shaw is physically something they don't have in that he is a big, fast DB with high upside. I think he could play Safety or CB.

Good stuff, xw.

 

[xwalker]

Good stuff, xw.

Thanks.

I realize that getting both Hardy and McPhee is a low probability, but I wanted to emphasize what the draft might look like if the Cowboys really spend big on free agent DLinemen. I definitely think they will attempt to sign 1 big money free agent DL. Assuming that player is a DE, then the outlook for the draft changes significantly. They would have the free agent (let's say Hardy) and then DLaw and Mincey as the top 3 rotation at DE. Then in the draft they would not target a DE. They might take one if that's by far the BPA, but they would not target one.

 

[VACowboy]

Thanks.

I realize that getting both Hardy and McPhee is a low probability, but I wanted to emphasize what the draft might look like if the Cowboys really spend big on free agent DLinemen. I definitely think they will attempt to sign 1 big money free agent DL. Assuming that player is a DE, then the outlook for the draft changes significantly. They would have the free agent (let's say Hardy) and then DLaw and Mincey as the top 3 rotation at DE. Then in the draft they would not target a DE. They might take one if that's by far the BPA, but they would not target one.

As I said in another thread, I can't see Garrett going after Hardy. Too much baggage.

I could be wrong. First time for everything.

 

[Frosty]

Thanks.

I realize that getting both Hardy and McPhee is a low probability, but I wanted to emphasize what the draft might look like if the Cowboys really spend big on free agent DLinemen. I definitely think they will attempt to sign 1 big money free agent DL. Assuming that player is a DE, then the outlook for the draft changes significantly. They would have the free agent (let's say Hardy) and then DLaw and Mincey as the top 3 rotation at DE. Then in the draft they would not target a DE. They might take one if that's by far the BPA, but they would not target one.

Hardy or McPhee might be a higher probability than many of us expect. Watch for the Cowboys to improve the DL in free agency. I know many people believe Hardy has to much baggage. But the Cowboys think they are close and might roll the dice. I don't see any true 1st round grade DL, CB or FS dropping to 27 in the draft. Think the Cowboys will trade back or take the BPA.

Free Agents signing = Hardy or McPhee fix the DL then add in Mark Ingram to replace Murray

Draft
1st RND BPA @27 (WR DJ Beckham Jr matched with Dez could be a nightmare for defenses.)
Trading back...... target Carl Davis early in the 2nd

2nd RND BPA @60 DT- Xavier Cooper or ROT- Ty Sambrailo

 

[xwalker]

Hardy or McPhee might be a higher probability than many of us expect. Watch for the Cowboys to improve the DL in free agency. I know many people believe Hardy has to much baggage. But the Cowboys think they are close and might roll the dice. I don't see any true 1st round grade DL, CB or FS dropping to 27 in the draft. Think the Cowboys will trade back or take the BPA.

Free Agents signing = Hardy or McPhee fix the DL then add in Mark Ingram to replace Murray

Draft
1st RND BPA @27 (WR DJ Beckham Jr matched with Dez could be a nightmare for defenses.)
Trading back...... target Carl Davis early in the 2nd

2nd RND BPA @60 DT- Xavier Cooper or ROT- Ty Sambrailo

I expect the Cowboys to sign 1 significant pass rusher in free agency. I think there is a reasonable probability of getting Hardy or McPhee; however, getting both is probably just wishful thinking on my part.

If they don't sign Murray, I actually think they might just go with Ryan Williams, Randle and a draft pick. I know fans wouldn't like that idea, but I can see it happen. Ingram will likely get a few million per year himself.

 

[Plankton]

It's not about me but NFL teams.
That's be a huge bet they were placing on a repaired ACL.

This guy didn't even let doctors at the combine check him out. That is a medical red flag for every team in the league.
I am sure he'll let some teams have access later but it is very hard for NFL teams to take on a RB in round 1 and guarantee all that money.

I suspect he goes fairly high round 2 AT BEST.
He could go late 3 if his medicals aren't good and handed out to most NFL teams.
Bad ankle injury in 2013 caused 3 games missed and of course the ACL last year.
May not be ready to go until late August.

A team would be drafting an injured player.

I can't even think of the last RB that got drafted R1 and had torn an ACL.

Gurley is a big name and it is easy for a lazy website guy to place him in the late first on his mock.
Harder to see that really happening.
Those teams late r1 want guys who can help them win right now.

He didn't let them check his knee because he didn't want multiple team doctors pulling and torquing his knee three months removed from ACL reconstruction. Gurley has already said that he would be back in Indianapolis in April for the medical rechecks, so it isn't an issue or a red flag.

As for the last guy taken with a torn ACL in the first round, Willis McGahee would be that guy.

 

[AsthmaField]

Thanks.

I realize that getting both Hardy and McPhee is a low probability, but I wanted to emphasize what the draft might look like if the Cowboys really spend big on free agent DLinemen. I definitely think they will attempt to sign 1 big money free agent DL. Assuming that player is a DE, then the outlook for the draft changes significantly. They would have the free agent (let's say Hardy) and then DLaw and Mincey as the top 3 rotation at DE. Then in the draft they would not target a DE. They might take one if that's by far the BPA, but they would not target one.

This is what I'm strongly hoping for. Hardy (or someone like him) would significantly open up the draft for Dallas and allow them to draft at whichever position that the BPA resides (within reason).

 

[big dog cowboy]

This is what I'm strongly hoping for. Hardy (or someone like him) would significantly open up the draft for Dallas and allow them to draft at whichever position that the BPA resides (within reason).

Signing a difference maker (or impact player) at DE in FA is huge for us. I almost feel we are in the same position when felt like we had to draft Greg Ellis bypassing better talent at times. I still shake my head when I think gee, we went 12-4 and I see several roster spots we can upgrade including starters.