Some next year stuffs

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Say we pick 9th and trade down a smidge

QB - Unchanged
RB - Felix/Choice and Noel Devine (3rd rounder out of WV - is fast, small, and can catch. I want me a McCluster/Sproles)
FB - Gronkowski
WR - Dez, a not crappy version of Miles, Roy still actually, Hurd, Holley
TE - Phillips, Bennet - I just traded Witten for a 2nd, deal w/ it.

LT - Free, Not Alex Barron
LG - Logan Mankins, Holland - I havent heard this cant happen yet
C - Kristofer O'Dowd (2nd round out of USC - White linemen w/ injury history out of USC, what can go wrong?) and Costa
RG - Andre Gurode, Marcus Cannon(3rd round out of TCU) - I know Gurode sucked at guard years ago, we will see.
RT - Sam Young, Jason Pinkston(5th rounder from Pitt. Knee surgery but maybe a steal))


DE - Bowen or Hatch, Spears, Brent-Price and a rookie - cut Igor and sign one of Bowen/Hatch
NT - Rat and Brent-Price

OLB - Ware, Spencer, Butler, Williams
ILB - Sean Lee, Bradie, Leon Williams, Barry Church a bit?(Brooking has to be done) and (Mike Mohamed 4th rounder out of Cal. Guys insanely productive)

CB - Jenkins, Newman, Brandon Harris (1st rounder from Da U!), McCann, Ball
FS - Deunta Williams, (Early 2nd rounder out of NC. Says here hes a safety prospect, Im scared of new things but Ill try it). AOA
SS - Barry Church, Danny McCray - I do not like Mr. Sensabaugh


ST: Buehler goes back to booming touchbakcs and we draft Kai Forbath/K/UCLA .28 for 31 in 2009. 19 of 22 in 2008. 25 of 30 in 2007

Coach: No to Norv as OC

Uniforms: Same



1st - Brandon Harris - CB/Da U
2nd - Deunta Williams - S/NC
(Thanks Witt!)2nd - Kristofer O'Dowd - C/USC
3rd - Marcus Cannon - G/TCU
(Trade downed for)3rd - Noel Devine RB/RS/WV
4th- Mike Mohamed -ILB/Cal
5th - Jason Pinkston - T/Pitt
(Crayton)6th - Kai Forbath/K/UCLA 28-of-31 in 2009
6th - Traded for a 5th next year
7th - a DE

Cutting: Barber, Davis, Sensy, Scandrick, Igor, Brooking - Most of these guys are old and slow. Some are dancing while down 40 points fools and some refuse to turn around as the ball is whizzing by their head

 

[jamesdojr]

You're Marion Barber the fourth so you just cut your daddy?

Dang. You're hardcore.

Seriously. Other than Cannon, I honestly don't know much about your draft pick choices. I keep hearing that Prince Amukamara, Nebraska is going to be the stud CB in this upcoming draft. Also consider FS Duanta Williams, N. Carolina. Ball is the worst player on this team and should be cut today.

Overall, in terms of major churning of this roster, I think you're spot on. There needs to be a lot of changes. Out with the lazy and complacent and in with some hard working leaders.

Tough for me to let Witten go though. And I wouldn't just put Sam Young out there without playing him the rest of this year. Hopefully Dallas will do that but I doubt it. They never seem to do anything that makes sense or is logical.

___________________________

Say we pick 9th and trade down a smidge

QB - Unchanged
RB - Felix/Choice and Noel Devine (3rd rounder out of WV - is fast, small, and can catch. I want me a McCluster/Sproles)
FB - Gronkowski
WR - Dez, a not crappy version of Miles, Roy still actually, Hurd, Holley
TE - Phillips, Bennet - I just traded Witten for a 2nd, deal w/ it.

LT - Free, Not Alex Barron
LG - Logan Mankins, Holland - I havent heard this cant happen yet
C - Kristofer O'Dowd (2nd round out of USC - White linemen w/ injury history out of USC, what can go wrong?) and Costa
RG - Andre Gurode, Marcus Cannon(3rd round out of TCU) - I know Gurode sucked at guard years ago, we will see.
RT - Sam Young, Jason Pinkston(5th rounder from Pitt. Knee surgery but maybe a steal))


DE - Bowen or Hatch, Spears, Brent-Price and a rookie - cut Igor and sign one of Bowen/Hatch
NT - Rat and Brent-Price

OLB - Ware, Spencer, Butler, Williams
ILB - Sean Lee, Bradie, Leon Williams, Barry Church a bit?(Brooking has to be done) and (Mike Mohamed 4th rounder out of Cal. Guys insanely productive)

CB - Jenkins, Newman, Brandon Harris (1st rounder from Da U!), McCann, Ball
FS - Deunta Williams, (Early 2nd rounder out of NC. Says here hes a safety prospect, Im scared of new things but Ill try it). AOA
SS - Barry Church, Danny McCray - I do not like Mr. Sensabaugh


ST: Buehler goes back to booming touchbakcs and we draft Kai Forbath/K/UCLA .28 for 31 in 2009. 19 of 22 in 2008. 25 of 30 in 2007

Coach: No to Norv as OC

Uniforms: Same



1st - Brandon Harris - CB/Da U
2nd - Deunta Williams - S/NC
(Thanks Witt!)2nd - Kristofer O'Dowd - C/USC
3rd - Marcus Cannon - G/TCU
(Trade downed for)3rd - Noel Devine RB/RS/WV
4th- Mike Mohamed -ILB/Cal
5th - Jason Pinkston - T/Pitt
(Crayton)6th - Kai Forbath/K/UCLA 28-of-31 in 2009
6th - Traded for a 5th next year
7th - a DE

Cutting: Barber, Davis, Sensy, Scandrick, Igor, Brooking - Most of these guys are old and slow. Some are dancing while down 40 points fools and some refuse to turn around as the ball is whizzing by their head

 

[AdamJT13]

So next year is just a rebuilding year then?

No thanks.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

You're Marion Barber the fourth so you just cut your daddy?

Dang. You're hardcore.

Seriously. Other than Cannon, I honestly don't know much about your draft pick choices. I keep hearing that Prince Amukamara, Nebraska is going to be the stud CB in this upcoming draft. Also consider FS Duanta Williams, N. Carolina. Ball is the worst player on this team and should be cut today.

Overall, in terms of major churning of this roster, I think you're spot on. There needs to be a lot of changes. Out with the lazy and complacent and in with some hard working leaders.

Tough for me to let Witten go though. And I wouldn't just put Sam Young out there without playing him the rest of this year. Hopefully Dallas will do that but I doubt it. They never seem to do anything that makes sense or is logical.

___________________________

I dont know a ton about some of them either. By the time the combine rolls around the picture clears up. Ball has experience at CB and safety and is worth a spot imo

So next year is just a rebuilding year then?

No thanks.

How so? I let go below average players and traded Witten. We made some similar moves a few years ago in cutting Ellis, Henry, TO, etc.

Mankins is the ultimate gun for hire


Barber - Nothing special
Davis - ditto
Sensy -Terrible
Scandrick - ditto
Igor - Average and a clown
Brooking - Near the end

Who will be missed?

 

[Coy]

You're Marion Barber the fourth so you just cut your daddy?

Dang. You're hardcore.

Seriously. Other than Cannon, I honestly don't know much about your draft pick choices. I keep hearing that Prince Amukamara, Nebraska is going to be the stud CB in this upcoming draft. Also consider FS Duanta Williams, N. Carolina. Ball is the worst player on this team and should be cut today.

Overall, in terms of major churning of this roster, I think you're spot on. There needs to be a lot of changes. Out with the lazy and complacent and in with some hard working leaders.

Tough for me to let Witten go though. And I wouldn't just put Sam Young out there without playing him the rest of this year. Hopefully Dallas will do that but I doubt it. They never seem to do anything that makes sense or is logical.

___________________________

 

[UnoDallas]

Roy Williams has to go you don't pay your 3rd WR

2011-$5.109 million.
2012-$6.802 million

when you can get rookie to put up his numbers

Derrell Johnson-Koulianos, WR/KR, Iowa
Height: 6-1. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.43.
Projected Round (2011): 3-5.
3/31/10: An underrated talent, Derrell Johnson-Koulianos snagged 45 passes for 750 yards in 2009. Doubles as a solid kick-returner.

take him instead of Devine

 

[AdamJT13]

How so? I let go below average players and traded Witten.

You traded the only consistent weapon on offense, got rid of a bunch of veteran players for nothing, moved another player to a different position, added only one veteran and plan on starting a bunch of inexperienced players and rookies. That's much worse than last offseason, which was bad enough.

I don't want another rebuilding season of hoping that backups and a bunch of rookies can be counted on to contribute in a big way.

 

[RS12]

Witten will retire a Cowboy.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Roy Williams has to go you don't pay your 3rd WR

2011-$5.109 million.
2012-$6.802 million

when you can get rookie to put up his numbers

Derrell Johnson-Koulianos, WR/KR, Iowa
Height: 6-1. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.43.
Projected Round (2011): 3-5.
3/31/10: An underrated talent, Derrell Johnson-Koulianos snagged 45 passes for 750 yards in 2009. Doubles as a solid kick-returner.

take him instead of Devine

Im bummed on Roy right now too but he makes touch catches and will go over the middle.

You traded the only consistent weapon on offense, got rid of a bunch of veteran players for nothing, moved another player to a different position, added only one veteran and plan on starting a bunch of inexperienced players and rookies. That's much worse than last offseason, which was bad enough.

I don't want another rebuilding season of hoping that backups and a bunch of rookies can be counted on to contribute in a big way.

You traded the only consistent weapon on offense,

The most consistent, but wed still have plenty of others.

got rid of a bunch of veteran players for nothing

B/C they have no trade value b/c they arent good anymore. Projected to get worse. If the moneys right you can definitely hang onto Davis and/or Colombo though. But I had them getting beat out and cut



All the movement on the OL is unrealistic but really they need a huge shakeup IMO. They are slow as hell on the right side, slow to react to blitzes, generally dumb, and dont create holes.

Free - Free - even
Kosier - Mankins - Huge upgrade(and you havent shot me down there so Im optimistic it can happen)
Gurode- The rook - who really knows but Gurode is bad
Davis - Gurode - Again who knows but you can trade Gurode and hang onto Davis at this spot.
Colombo - Sam Young - I have it that Young beats out Colombo in camp so theoretically its an upgrade



Its early for the draft so besides that what would you do w/ the line?

 

[adamc91115]

Im bummed on Roy right now too but he makes touch catches and will go over the middle.





The most consistent, but wed still have plenty of others.


B/C they have no trade value b/c they arent good anymore. Projected to get worse. If the moneys right you can definitely hang onto Davis and/or Colombo though. But I had them getting beat out and cut



All the movement on the OL is unrealistic but really they need a huge shakeup IMO. They are slow as hell on the right side, slow to react to blitzes, generally dumb, and dont create holes.

Free - Free - even
Kosier - Mankins - Huge upgrade(and you havent shot me down there so Im optimistic it can happen)
Gurode- The rook - who really knows but Gurode is bad
Davis - Gurode - Again who knows but you can trade Gurode and hang onto Davis at this spot.
Colombo - Sam Young - I have it that Young beats out Colombo in camp so theoretically its an upgrade



Its early for the draft so besides that what would you do w/ the line?

Plenty of other what? Crappy TE's?

I've grown tired of Bennett, and who knows about Phillips. He looked great in preseason but now he's coming off a serious injury.

Great plan!

 

[jamesdojr]

So, you're saying that this team is set and needs to stay basically the same?

Sorry but, after what may go down as possibly the MOST disappointing season in Dallas Cowboys history, how can this team not consider making several key changes?

Davis, Colombo, Sensabaugh, Scandrick, and Ball have to be the first to go. Barber and Williams have to be a close 2nd. Not only are they not difference makers, they actually hurt the team on a consistent basis.

Between players already on the team (Choice, Dez, McCann), FA and the Draft, Dallas will have enough opportunities to replace those guys who have not shown anyone that they care about winning.

_____________________________________________

You traded the only consistent weapon on offense, got rid of a bunch of veteran players for nothing, moved another player to a different position, added only one veteran and plan on starting a bunch of inexperienced players and rookies. That's much worse than last offseason, which was bad enough.

I don't want another rebuilding season of hoping that backups and a bunch of rookies can be counted on to contribute in a big way.

 

[AdamJT13]

The most consistent, but wed still have plenty of others.

Unless we're changing offensive schemes, we need a reliable all-around tight end. For all of Bennett's potential, he has shown no ability to be a consistent contributer, and Phillips has barely played in the NFL.

I don't want to rebuild next season by trading away one of our best players for a measly second-round pick that will end up being a rookie who might not start and might not even contribute. I also don't want to go into next season relying on Bennett and Phillips to fill Witten's role in this offense - period. So either we drastically change the offensive scheme, keep Witten or kiss any realistic playoff hopes goodbye.

B/C they have no trade value b/c they arent good anymore. Projected to get worse. If the moneys right you can definitely hang onto Davis and/or Colombo though. But I had them getting beat out and cut

I'm sick of getting rid of decent veterans without having anyone to replace them. If they're average or below average, you had better have someone you KNOW will be better to replace them on the roster - not just as a starter. Make them compete for a starting spot, keep them as a backup, wait until after training camp to make the decision -- whatever it takes. Sign veterans to compete for the starting jobs. Don't just hope that your inexperienced backups can be starters and some undrafted rookies can be your backups. For every Doug Free that you hit on, there's an Alan Ball that can cost you games.

 

[AdamJT13]

So, you're saying that this team is set and needs to stay basically the same?

I didn't say that at all. I don't want a bunch of backups and rookies starting next year. I want quality NFL players who can help us win NOW. And I'd rather keep at least some of those veterans as backups instead of relying once again on undrafted rookies and inexperienced second-year players.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Actually yes, I would like us to use less of the 12 set.


So when I say we have guys who can fill Wittens role, I mean what his new role would be. Bennet cant run patterns or catch like Witt but he can block better than him. And hed be doing more of that if we go 3 wide more next year.

But we already had this thread. Id do it for a 2nd, the Cowboys wouldnt.

Im really more curious as to how people would allocate our assets going into next year to replenish the roster. Using the picks and a realistic amount of money. Do you take the top pick and go OL then sign a DB? Vice Versa? etc.

 

[Hostile]

So, you're saying that this team is set and needs to stay basically the same?

Sorry but, after what may go down as possibly the MOST disappointing season in Dallas Cowboys history, how can this team not consider making several key changes?

Davis, Colombo, Sensabaugh, Scandrick, and Ball have to be the first to go. Barber and Williams have to be a close 2nd. Not only are they not difference makers, they actually hurt the team on a consistent basis.

Between players already on the team (Choice, Dez, McCann), FA and the Draft, Dallas will have enough opportunities to replace those guys who have not shown anyone that they care about winning.

If he won't, I will. The idea this team needs to be gutted is a serious lack of grasp of the game. I understand we're all mad about the season, but too many fans are over reacting. Becoming a champion has NEVER been about changing the roster.

EVER.

 

[UnoDallas]

well if we get rid of some of the losers type of guys

the same way Irvin did with Jimmy

Hos you can't tell me that does not get ingrained in their heads ?

its gets to the point of not caring anymore

a loser is just a loser - JAG

it takes years to turn that around

 

[Beast_from_East]

If he won't, I will. The idea this team needs to be gutted is a serious lack of grasp of the game. I understand we're all mad about the season, but too many fans are over reacting. Becoming a champion has NEVER been about changing the roster.

EVER.

Sorry Hostile, but you cant make chicken salad out of chicked crap!


Our secondary is awful and a new scheme is not going to help Ball or Sensy become stud safeties. We need new starters at both FS and SS, period.

Our offensive line is a freaking joke. Gurode is just dumb, I hate to say it but it is true. He is just too dumb to play center in the NFL. How he can forget the snap count multiple times every freaking game is just unreal. Lets not even get into his shotgun snaps, he seriously is the worst shotgun snapper in the league and this problem did not just start either.

As for Bigg, he is just not athletic enough to play guard. He gets whipped like a yard dog every freaking week and I am frankly tired of watching him get manhandled. Maybe he is just too fat, I dont know, Its just embarrassing watching him get dominated week in and week out.

Colombo is done as well. That pitch to the outside on 4th and 1 might have had a chance if Colombo was not totally destroyed on the play. He was shoved to the ground 5 yards deep, Barber had to freaking leap over him to try and get to the outside. There are many, many other plays like this since he came back from his injury. Ever since that Minny game, he is just getting his arse handed to him on a weekly basis.


So that is a new FS, a new SS, a new C, a new RG, and a new RT just off the top of my head. Thats 5 new starters I just named out of 22, so we are talking at least 22% of the starters need replacing.

When you need to replace almost 1/4th of your starters, yea, it does need gutting.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

So next year is just a rebuilding year then?

No thanks.

He lost me when he said he traded Witten for a 2nd.

 

[Hostile]

Sorry Hostile, but you cant make chicken salad out of chicked crap!


Our secondary is awful and a new scheme is not going to help Ball or Sensy become stud safeties. We need new starters at both FS and SS, period.

Our offensive line is a freaking joke. Gurode is just dumb, I hate to say it but it is true. He is just too dumb to play center in the NFL. How he can forget the snap count multiple times every freaking game is just unreal. Lets not even get into his shotgun snaps, he seriously is the worst shotgun snapper in the league and this problem did not just start either.

As for Bigg, he is just not athletic enough to play guard. He gets whipped like a yard dog every freaking week and I am frankly tired of watching him get manhandled. Maybe he is just too fat, I dont know, Its just embarrassing watching him get dominated week in and week out.

Colombo is done as well. That pitch to the outside on 4th and 1 might have had a chance if Colombo was not totally destroyed on the play. He was shoved to the ground 5 yards deep, Barber had to freaking leap over him to try and get to the outside. There are many, many other plays like this since he came back from his injury. Ever since that Minny game, he is just getting his arse handed to him on a weekly basis.


So that is a new FS, a new SS, a new C, a new RG, and a new RT just off the top of my head. Thats 5 new starters I just named out of 22, so we are talking at least 22% of the starters need replacing.

When you need to replace almost 1/4th of your starters, yea, it does need gutting.

Sorry Beast, but you and others who want to gut the team are just flat out wrong. Progress is about steady improvement, not drastic over reaction. You cannot erase the entire chemistry of a team and succeed. It cannot be done. Impossible. Bad idea. Dumb idea.

 

[LucaBrasi]

Witten will retire a Cowboy.

as he should. Maybe he wasn't playing well early but he's been pretty damn good from a blocking and receiving point for the last few weeks. I saw plenty of leadership from him on the sideline Thursday too. He'll be 29 at the start of next season and anyone that wants Marty Underachiever as the lead TE is out of their mind.