CFZ Some Pre-season game reminders about the players who play in those games

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

I’m sure the penalty numbers are way higher in ps vs regular season but I don’t have that proof in front of me. Too tired to research it, lol.

I was watching "Hanging with the boys". one of them reported David Helman as saying the average amount of penalties per team (for pre-season games for the last 5 years) was 6.7 per game.

 

[jazzcat22]

If any coach needs pretend games to make roster decisions, he needs to hand in his whistle.

These coaches learn very little in pretend games because of the competition level, which they are far more familiar with than the fans. They learn more in their controlled scrimmages where they control both sides on the line.

Some may not know but this whole pretend games thing came about as Exhibition games and most were played in regional smaller venues like the Cowboys played in Memphis and Shreveport and we drove there to see them. The stars mainly hung around with their jerseys facing the crowd so you could say you saw them.

I had the opportunity to talk to Bob Lilly a couple of times as my son worked in his restaurant and while he would not come out and admit it, there was an agreement between the vets in exhibition games to make it look good. No player wanted to lose his spot or his job because of some injury suffered before the game checks began.

The other thing about the pretend games, they did nothing to prepare the real teams because in the first couple of weeks every year, it was pretty sloppy and the timing of the offenses was way off. And there were many guys on the sidelines, bent over gasping for air in the early going and not all were the big uglies.

Anytime anyone brings up pretend games, I always think of that magic season of the New York Football Giants. 5-0 in the preseason and the talk of the town and blown out 0-4 to start the season. That very same franchise had a winning preseason and started out 0-2, giving up 80 points, and went on to win it all. So, even early on in the real season, we can't be sure.

It is perfectly fine for you to fool yourself into thinking you are watching football because you are gridiron starved, but you are not. It's just pretend.

Good post.
I watch to see the rookies and 2nd year players, as well the 3rd year players and any FA's. To see how they look overall. How they line up as they are supposed to do. Well, as far as what I think they are supposed to do. The coaches know what that is. We as fans only think we know. For some on here that study film have a better idea than many, but they too do not know what the coaches want to see most of the time.

Parcells said he called dumb plays just to see how the players responded. Like on obvious passing situations, he tried a run. I am sure fans called for his head at times on those.

 

[MarcusRock]

We were 0-5 in preseason last year and then started the year 6-0. Sure, I'd like to see us play better in preseason but in the grand scheme of things it means nothing except seeing if the youngins can play with some spunk.

 

[fredp22]

Ah yes…Pre-season….that time of year when lots of noise and scrutiny are made by us fans and the sports media over games that mean absolutely nothing in the standings, and mostly involve players who will not play much or even be on the roster by the time the regular season starts Sept. 11.

It’s ok. It’s a time honored practice. Make training camp practices, pre-season games and a host of marginal players the center of fan talk and scrutiny. Been a tradition for decades.

But here are some facts to consider about the players who mostly play in the pre-season:

• Over 30% of the players currently playing the majority of Cowboys pre-season game snaps will never play a regular season snap for us.
• According to a 2016 study by Pro Football Reference, of the 260 players drafted each year in the NFL, only about 25 will go on to have “significant careers performing at a high level”, and that the “bust rate” for draft choices is actually pretty high. (Here’s link to the article if interested: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2022/4/26/23042105/nfl-draft-pick-bust-rate-remains-very-high)
• Only about half of 1st round draft picks sign a second contract with their original team. For 2nd-5th rounders it significantly less than that.
  
• The vast majority of players playing in our pre-season games will not even be in the NFL three years from now.

So remember- yes it’s fun to watch football again. Even if it’s bad football as we saw Saturday night. But the key thing to remember is this- pre-season games mean a whole lot less than what we as fans seem to think they do.

PS games rarely indicate much about the team’s readiness for the regular season and it rarely shows us a new player that is going to make a big difference when the regular season starts. The real Cowboys will show us what they are starting Sept. 11th.

I agree with your comments but I have an issue with the team not addressing the problem with penalties. The offseason is the perfect time to see where the focus of the penalties are coming from and work on it with the team. Ignoring it as MM did in a post this week by saying its only preseason is a concern. When you lead the league and follow that up with another penalty filled game to start the preseason your ignoring a glaring problem. Hoping MM at least attempts to address this problem before the season starts. It wont just go away

 

[Bobhaze]

I'm sure the percentages are close to that for many of the other 31 teams...and some are probably lower considering head coach/ GM turnovers in the league.

Yeah the numbers I used in the OP were for all 32 teams, not just the ‘Boys.

I agree with your comments but I have an issue with the team not addressing the problem with penalties. The offseason is the perfect time to see where the focus of the penalties are coming from and work on it with the team. Ignoring it as MM did in a post this week by saying its only preseason is a concern. When you lead the league and follow that up with another penalty filled game to start the preseason your ignoring a glaring problem. Hoping MM at least attempts to address this problem before the season starts. It wont just go away

I agree that the penalties last Sat were ridiculous. And penalties have been a real problem for this team. But it doesn’t necessarily mean they continue when the reg starts just because they happened Sat night.

To me the real issue is an ongoing lack of focus and discipline in the organizational culture starting at the top. The guys at the top talk too much and meddle way too much in areas that affect player discipline. It’s still on Big Mac and his staff to address this. But the whole culture is a big part of it.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Ah yes…Pre-season….that time of year when lots of noise and scrutiny are made by us fans and the sports media over games that mean absolutely nothing in the standings, and mostly involve players who will not play much or even be on the roster by the time the regular season starts Sept. 11.

It’s ok. It’s a time honored practice. Make training camp practices, pre-season games and a host of marginal players the center of fan talk and scrutiny. Been a tradition for decades.

But here are some facts to consider about the players who mostly play in the pre-season:

• Over 30% of the players currently playing the majority of Cowboys pre-season game snaps will never play a regular season snap for us.
• According to a 2016 study by Pro Football Reference, of the 260 players drafted each year in the NFL, only about 25 will go on to have “significant careers performing at a high level”, and that the “bust rate” for draft choices is actually pretty high. (Here’s link to the article if interested: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2022/4/26/23042105/nfl-draft-pick-bust-rate-remains-very-high)
• Only about half of 1st round draft picks sign a second contract with their original team. For 2nd-5th rounders it significantly less than that.
  
• The vast majority of players playing in our pre-season games will not even be in the NFL three years from now.

So remember- yes it’s fun to watch football again. Even if it’s bad football as we saw Saturday night. But the key thing to remember is this- pre-season games mean a whole lot less than what we as fans seem to think they do.

PS games rarely indicate much about the team’s readiness for the regular season and it rarely shows us a new player that is going to make a big difference when the regular season starts. The real Cowboys will show us what they are starting Sept. 11th.

Additionally, the refs usually call things more aggressively during the preseason than the regular season, mainly to get the point across for what they're primarily watching for during the season.

 

[MarcusRock]

We were 0-5 in preseason last year and then started the year 6-0. Sure, I'd like to see us play better in preseason but in the grand scheme of things it means nothing except seeing if the youngins can play with some spunk.

0-4, then 6-1 but yeah, same thing, lol.

 

[FVSTONE]

Ah yes…Pre-season….that time of year when lots of noise and scrutiny are made by us fans and the sports media over games that mean absolutely nothing in the standings, and mostly involve players who will not play much or even be on the roster by the time the regular season starts Sept. 11.

It’s ok. It’s a time honored practice. Make training camp practices, pre-season games and a host of marginal players the center of fan talk and scrutiny. Been a tradition for decades.

But here are some facts to consider about the players who mostly play in the pre-season:

• Over 30% of the players currently playing the majority of Cowboys pre-season game snaps will never play a regular season snap for us.
• According to a 2016 study by Pro Football Reference, of the 260 players drafted each year in the NFL, only about 25 will go on to have “significant careers performing at a high level”, and that the “bust rate” for draft choices is actually pretty high. (Here’s link to the article if interested: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2022/4/26/23042105/nfl-draft-pick-bust-rate-remains-very-high)
• Only about half of 1st round draft picks sign a second contract with their original team. For 2nd-5th rounders it significantly less than that.
  
• The vast majority of players playing in our pre-season games will not even be in the NFL three years from now.

So remember- yes it’s fun to watch football again. Even if it’s bad football as we saw Saturday night. But the key thing to remember is this- pre-season games mean a whole lot less than what we as fans seem to think they do.

PS games rarely indicate much about the team’s readiness for the regular season and it rarely shows us a new player that is going to make a big difference when the regular season starts. The real Cowboys will show us what they are starting Sept. 11th.

It's time for this organization to flip the switch! I believe this team would be better prepared if the starters and players on the depth chart played the majority of these pre-season games. It's time to get our players use to knocking their opponents on their a$$e$ and there's no better way to prepare them than to start in the games that don't count! The player's union has twiddled down the tackling in practices to barely nothing, this is why this team looks so bad at it. With the way this team faded in the second half of last season, those extra (3) practices, with FULL TACKLING which would be the (3) pre-season games would give this team a leg up of how to knock the snot out of their opponents!

 

[xwalker]

Ah yes…Pre-season….that time of year when lots of noise and scrutiny are made by us fans and the sports media over games that mean absolutely nothing in the standings, and mostly involve players who will not play much or even be on the roster by the time the regular season starts Sept. 11.

It’s ok. It’s a time honored practice. Make training camp practices, pre-season games and a host of marginal players the center of fan talk and scrutiny. Been a tradition for decades.

But here are some facts to consider about the players who mostly play in the pre-season:

• Over 30% of the players currently playing the majority of Cowboys pre-season game snaps will never play a regular season snap for us.
• According to a 2016 study by Pro Football Reference, of the 260 players drafted each year in the NFL, only about 25 will go on to have “significant careers performing at a high level”, and that the “bust rate” for draft choices is actually pretty high. (Here’s link to the article if interested: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2022/4/26/23042105/nfl-draft-pick-bust-rate-remains-very-high)
• Only about half of 1st round draft picks sign a second contract with their original team. For 2nd-5th rounders it significantly less than that.
  
• The vast majority of players playing in our pre-season games will not even be in the NFL three years from now.

So remember- yes it’s fun to watch football again. Even if it’s bad football as we saw Saturday night. But the key thing to remember is this- pre-season games mean a whole lot less than what we as fans seem to think they do.

PS games rarely indicate much about the team’s readiness for the regular season and it rarely shows us a new player that is going to make a big difference when the regular season starts. The real Cowboys will show us what they are starting Sept. 11th.

The guy that created this thread is not going to like it that you copied his work...
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/what-pre-season-games-can-and-can’t-show-us.498323/

 

[youngjerryjones]

I never watch other games even during the regular season. I watch the Cowboys and the Super Bowl.

Besides other teams not performing well is not of my concern.

then you have no sense of what's going on in the league and can't say they suck...because every second third and fourth team out there is performing just as poorly...

 

[Flamma]

Ah yes…Pre-season….that time of year when lots of noise and scrutiny are made by us fans and the sports media over games that mean absolutely nothing in the standings, and mostly involve players who will not play much or even be on the roster by the time the regular season starts Sept. 11.

It’s ok. It’s a time honored practice. Make training camp practices, pre-season games and a host of marginal players the center of fan talk and scrutiny. Been a tradition for decades.

But here are some facts to consider about the players who mostly play in the pre-season:

• Over 30% of the players currently playing the majority of Cowboys pre-season game snaps will never play a regular season snap for us.
• According to a 2016 study by Pro Football Reference, of the 260 players drafted each year in the NFL, only about 25 will go on to have “significant careers performing at a high level”, and that the “bust rate” for draft choices is actually pretty high. (Here’s link to the article if interested: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2022/4/26/23042105/nfl-draft-pick-bust-rate-remains-very-high)
• Only about half of 1st round draft picks sign a second contract with their original team. For 2nd-5th rounders it significantly less than that.
  
• The vast majority of players playing in our pre-season games will not even be in the NFL three years from now.

So remember- yes it’s fun to watch football again. Even if it’s bad football as we saw Saturday night. But the key thing to remember is this- pre-season games mean a whole lot less than what we as fans seem to think they do.

PS games rarely indicate much about the team’s readiness for the regular season and it rarely shows us a new player that is going to make a big difference when the regular season starts. The real Cowboys will show us what they are starting Sept. 11th.

I agree with everything except the last sentence. The first month of football, and always the first week or two is sloppy. Mainly because the guys starting haven't acclimated themselves to playing at full speed. Other players have. Of course not playing is an indication of readiness. How could it not be? We watch it happen every year.

Part of preseason, besides some player evaluation, is to get ready for the regular season. Just because teams now don't want players to get hurt, doesn't change the reason for preseason. What was the point of having preseason for all of these years if the starters didn't need it?

Packers looked like they never got off the bus last year in week 1. The Bills lost to an abysmal Steelers team. We're also going to see the most injuries in week one.

 

[Bobhaze]

The guy that created this thread is not going to like it that you copied his work...
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/what-pre-season-games-can-and-can’t-show-us.498323/

No actually he approves,

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

then you have no sense of what's going on in the league and can't say they suck...because every second third and fourth team out there is performing just as poorly...

I don't need to watch other teams to know what piss poor technique is when I see it. I don't need to watch other teams to know what lack of discipline is when I see it. And communication failures stick out like a sore thumb. So what do other teams have to do with my diagnosis of the Dallas Cowboys?

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

Or the coaches that aren't teaching basic principles of football

do you really believe that ? Come on man

 

[DonaldM]

I didn't even read this wall of B's. But I know cc well enough to know that I probably agree.

 

[VaqueroTD]

So true. Even the least talented of the roster should have been game prepared enough by the coach to avoid the constant simple and same infractions.
If he's doing it in practice and no real repercussion then it will happen in a game as well.
Player accountability is Head Coach responsibilty.

Yet here we are.

Again.

It's hard to hold accountability in modern sports when every athlete banks, and with such a youth and school-related sports infrastructure built up, even the worse players may have been coddled their whole life because of their skills.

Football still has some level playing field to it, but I'd hate to be a coach in the NBA where even the crap players are banking $20+ million a season, and one star player pretty much gets to decide the coach's fate.

I think the best coaches are still psychological push button geniuses like Jimmy and Bill, because it's not like the 60's when you could just yell and take their water away and expect results.

I don't think the Rams/Bengals coach situation was a fluke. I think you'll see a lot more of the younger coaches brought in. They relate better to the players and are still young enough to withstand the hours and stress.

 

[Flamma]

I do think the last game which Cowboys plan on using as a dress rehearsal will be a better indicator of this team but even that the no team will be showing much in terms of game planning. Pre season is about evaluation of individual players not about team and not about winning.

Apparently the Ravens think otherwise.

 

[sbark]

Ah yes…Pre-season….that time of year when lots of noise and scrutiny are made by us fans and the sports media over games that mean absolutely nothing in the standings, and mostly involve players who will not play much or even be on the roster by the time the regular season starts Sept. 11.

It’s ok. It’s a time honored practice. Make training camp practices, pre-season games and a host of marginal players the center of fan talk and scrutiny. Been a tradition for decades.

But here are some facts to consider about the players who mostly play in the pre-season:

• Over 30% of the players currently playing the majority of Cowboys pre-season game snaps will never play a regular season snap for us.
• According to a 2016 study by Pro Football Reference, of the 260 players drafted each year in the NFL, only about 25 will go on to have “significant careers performing at a high level”, and that the “bust rate” for draft choices is actually pretty high. (Here’s link to the article if interested: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2022/4/26/23042105/nfl-draft-pick-bust-rate-remains-very-high)
• Only about half of 1st round draft picks sign a second contract with their original team. For 2nd-5th rounders it significantly less than that.
  
• The vast majority of players playing in our pre-season games will not even be in the NFL three years from now.

So remember- yes it’s fun to watch football again. Even if it’s bad football as we saw Saturday night. But the key thing to remember is this- pre-season games mean a whole lot less than what we as fans seem to think they do.

PS games rarely indicate much about the team’s readiness for the regular season and it rarely shows us a new player that is going to make a big difference when the regular season starts. The real Cowboys will show us what they are starting Sept. 11th.

A yearly post...

 

[eromeopolk]

Ah yes…Pre-season….that time of year when lots of noise and scrutiny are made by us fans and the sports media over games that mean absolutely nothing in the standings, and mostly involve players who will not play much or even be on the roster by the time the regular season starts Sept. 11.

It’s ok. It’s a time honored practice. Make training camp practices, pre-season games and a host of marginal players the center of fan talk and scrutiny. Been a tradition for decades.

But here are some facts to consider about the players who mostly play in the pre-season:

• Over 30% of the players currently playing the majority of Cowboys pre-season game snaps will never play a regular season snap for us.
• According to a 2016 study by Pro Football Reference, of the 260 players drafted each year in the NFL, only about 25 will go on to have “significant careers performing at a high level”, and that the “bust rate” for draft choices is actually pretty high. (Here’s link to the article if interested: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2022/4/26/23042105/nfl-draft-pick-bust-rate-remains-very-high)
• Only about half of 1st round draft picks sign a second contract with their original team. For 2nd-5th rounders it significantly less than that.
  
• The vast majority of players playing in our pre-season games will not even be in the NFL three years from now.

So remember- yes it’s fun to watch football again. Even if it’s bad football as we saw Saturday night. But the key thing to remember is this- pre-season games mean a whole lot less than what we as fans seem to think they do.

PS games rarely indicate much about the team’s readiness for the regular season and it rarely shows us a new player that is going to make a big difference when the regular season starts. The real Cowboys will show us what they are starting Sept. 11th.

That is why I told my children to go to college and get a doctorate degree and you will make 100 times more money in a lifetime than a football player without brain damage at age 35.

 

[JBond]

I never watch other games even during the regular season. I watch the Cowboys and the Super Bowl.

Besides other teams not performing well is not of my concern.

And it shows in your posts.