something no 1 has mentioned...Adam Carriker

[BLT]

maybe this is crazy but its just something i thought up. Every 1 is saying we can go best player available since we dont have any major holes so what if Adam Carriker is available at 22? i really like spears and canty and think they have the potential to becomes very good defensive ends for us but its no lie that they havent been living up to their potential. So what if Carriker is there at 22? do we entertain the thought of picking him and letting him challenge for a starting spot? Carriker has the ideal size for a 3-4 DE and is the only defensive end id even think of taking. This being said i still hope we go WR and CB in the 1st 2 rounds but this is just something to discuss...

btw Carriker is 6'6 and a shade under 300

 

[Biggems]

hard to live up to your potential when all u are told to do is run straight ahead and bull the OL till you get to the QB....

no DEs this draft....that is my motto....we have 5 already. They are all young. Let's see what they offer in this new system. Then if we need to make some changes in that area we can do it in 2008.

I am happy with Canty, Spears, Hatcher, Ratliff, and Bowen for now.

 

[cowboyjoe]

if carriker is there, i wouldnt mind if the cowboys take him, like they said, you take the best player.

however, i think they need at taking the best player available either a cb, safety, wr, offensive linemen like blaylock or grubbs with their 22nd pick, or if he falls someone like wilis, the linebacker from ole miss

what i am scared of now though is reports that are stating that the cowboys are strongly interested in turner rb with the chargers.

reports are that they can get him with possibly a 3rd draft choice this year, and a first round draft choice next year, which reports are stating also that the cowboys might trade julious jones for a 2nd round draft choice.

i sure dont want to give up my 1st round draft choice this year, let alone the 3rd rounder. im still not sure about turner, but wade phillips should know about him. im just leary of a backup rb that hasnt done too much, you just dont know u know, whereas jones has produced a thousand yards, where turner hasnt, and you got to realize that turner has come in after lt with the chargers has worn down the defense. so im leary.

 

[big dog cowboy]

what i am scared of now though is reports that are stating that the cowboys are strongly interested in turner rb with the chargers.

Why?

It simply isn't going to happen. That rumor ranks up there with the 'we are trading up to get Calvin Johnson' rumor.

 

[Big Dakota]

I follow the Huskers and he's a stud, but the last thing we need is another DE. The Cowboys won't get Turner.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I doubt Carriker will be there at 22

 

[BLT]

I doubt Carriker will be there at 22

well im saying IF he is... so IF he is.. now how do you feel?

 

[CF74]

hard to live up to your potential when all u are told to do is run straight ahead and bull the OL till you get to the QB....

no DEs this draft....that is my motto....we have 5 already. They are all young. Let's see what they offer in this new system. Then if we need to make some changes in that area we can do it in 2008.

I am happy with Canty, Spears, Hatcher, Ratliff, and Bowen for now.

I was about to say, "And Coleman."

Till I saw this:

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302000


When did we let him go?? And why????

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

well im saying IF he is... so IF he is.. now how do you feel?

I feel the same way as if we had picked Olsen at 22. Pretty annoyed.

We have Spear, Canty, Hatcher and Bowen. Just like we have Witten and Fasano at TE.

if that is the case and there wasnt comparable value i would trade down to someone salivating over carriker and pick up Staley and one of the 8 WR in the draft.

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

if that is the case and there wasnt comparable value i would trade down to someone salivating over carriker and pick up Staley and one of the 8 WR in the draft.

Good call!

 

[hank2k]

A big difference between us and say the Patriots, who ran the same scheme, is that their DEs collapse the pocket and get pressure consistantly (tho not necessarily sacks) , while ours dont. So if we were sticking with more of a Parcells type 3-4 that doesnt blitz much , a guy like Carriker might be a top priority (if he is the guy reports say he is). But since we're going with more of a pressure type, blitzing 3-4, probably not as big a priority.

Besides ,Jerrys got a major hankering for a big time wr. No real proof for that btw, just one of those hunches Im sure Im right about.

 

[dbair1967]

well im saying IF he is... so IF he is.. now how do you feel?

I dont care if he is or isnt, we dont need a DE at 22...we have 3 really good young ones, and finally a coach with a clue on what to do with them

Spears is a better talent than Carriker is, I think Hatcher is too

David

 

[theogt]

Jeff Ireland has explicitly stated that we will not be drafting the BPA in the common sense of the term because his draft board is not organized in such a fashion.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Jeff Ireland has explicitly stated that we will not be drafting the BPA in the common sense of the term because his draft board is not organized in such a fashion.

The impression that Ive gotten is that he doesnt have a a straight up 1-500 ranking of all the players like Gosselin does but rather hes got players clustered into where they would be worth drafting. IOW, he might have Moss, Meachem, Spencer, Lynch, Carriker, Olsen, Ross, Nelson and Brown all valued at picks 15-20 but only Staley, Quinn and Johsnon ranked in 1-5 or somesuch.

if thats the case and three of those 15-20 guys drop then they have a decison to make but its still BPA pretty much.

 

[hank2k]

I dont care if he is or isnt, we dont need a DE at 22...we have 3 really good young ones, and finally a coach with a clue on what to do with them

Spears is a better talent than Carriker is, I think Hatcher is too

David

Carriker is WAY faster (4.72 40 to 5.1 for Spears) did more reps at 225 (33 to Spears 23) and was more productive his senior year. But he probably wont be around when we pick.

 

[theogt]

The impression that Ive gotten is that he doesnt have a a straight up 1-500 ranking of all the players like Gosselin does but rather hes got players clustered into where they would be worth drafting. IOW, he might have Moss, Meachem, Spencer, Lynch, Carriker, Olsen, Ross, Nelson and Brown all valued at picks 15-20 but only Staley, Quinn and Johsnon ranked in 1-5 or somesuch.

if thats the case and three of those 15-20 guys drop then they have a decison to make but its still BPA pretty much.

It's hard to say. He said they clustered players as to where they thought they'd be drafted, not in terms of talent. He said that if a guy falls in the draft to a lower cluster, then you take a look at the player, but you don't necessarily draft him.

So he may have Carriker in a 1-15 cluster, or whatever, because they think he'll be drafted there, but that doesn't mean theythink he's the BPA and a must draft if he falls to 22.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's hard to say. He said they clustered players as to where they thought they'd be drafted, not in terms of talent. He said that if a guy falls in the draft to a lower cluster, then you take a look at the player, but you don't necessarily draft him.

So he may have Carriker in a 1-15 cluster, or whatever, because they think he'll be drafted there, but that doesn't mean theythink he's the BPA and a must draft if he falls to 22.

I guess that is the sticking point because we dont know whether or not theyre saying they cluster them based on where they would draft them or where they think they are going to be drafted. Or a bit of both for that matter.

 

[theogt]

I guess that is the sticking point because we dont know whether or not theyre saying they cluster them based on where they would draft them or where they think they are going to be drafted. Or a bit of both for that matter.

Obviously there's going to be a lot of correlation regardless. Ireland's overall tone, though, was that you would like to always be drafting the BPA at the position, but you just can't evaluate guys in that way. It's very hard to say, "This player will be a better defensive lineman than this player will be an offensive lineman." It's incredibly hard to compare across positions, so you simply end up clustering players where you think they'll end up going.

 

[HardHittingRoy31]

I think we can get a DT in round two or three.

 

[Beast_from_East]

if carriker is there, i wouldnt mind if the cowboys take him, like they said, you take the best player.

however, i think they need at taking the best player available either a cb, safety, wr, offensive linemen like blaylock or grubbs with their 22nd pick, or if he falls someone like wilis, the linebacker from ole miss

what i am scared of now though is reports that are stating that the cowboys are strongly interested in turner rb with the chargers.

reports are that they can get him with possibly a 3rd draft choice this year, and a first round draft choice next year, which reports are stating also that the cowboys might trade julious jones for a 2nd round draft choice.

i sure dont want to give up my 1st round draft choice this year, let alone the 3rd rounder. im still not sure about turner, but wade phillips should know about him. im just leary of a backup rb that hasnt done too much, you just dont know u know, whereas jones has produced a thousand yards, where turner hasnt, and you got to realize that turner has come in after lt with the chargers has worn down the defense. so im leary.

Dont worry, nobody is going to give up a 1st rounder for freaking Turner and the Chargers know this. You would have to be ******** to make a trade like this. A 1st and 3rd would move you up enough to draft Lynch or maybe Peterson if he falls.

Plus Turner is a FA next year, just like JuJo. The main reason I hear to get rid of JuJo is that he is gone next year and we need to get something for him this year, ala McGahee.

So why trade a RB in the last yr of his deal for another RB in the last yr of his deal. Unless you plan on giving Turner a lucrative extension, this would be seriously dumb folks.

Not gonna happen.