Something We Overlooked

[Chuck 54]

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[joseephuss]

Smith22

You have always known me for being fair despite my cynicsm, so I will say that Greg Ellis is the last person who deserves any criticism. He deserves a lot of credit and if I haven't given him that credit then it's my bad because he clearly deserves it. And it finally looks like he will break the double digit sack barrier. This new scheme has suited him well and yes, a lot of fans were criticizing him this preseason upon the announcement of the 3-4.

I just don't believe in double standards and that's what I felt was going on when someone attacked Ekuban for only having 8 sacks. I mean cmon, who are we to talk when Ellis has been doing that for years and is still praised. And maybe you disagree but I don't think his failure to achieve more sacks is because he faces double and triple coverage on every down.

There is a difference. Ellis has achieved 8 sacks in more than one season. Four seassons actually and about to be five. Ekuban did it only once and of course that was not with Dallas. There is a difference in level of acheivment and consistency between the two.

I always chuckle when people say Ellis is constantly double and triple teamed. He certainly sees his share of multiple blockers, but it is nowhere near being constant. I do think he has been double teamed more than Ekuban ever has in a season.

I also chuckle when people say that Ekuban was limited by the scheme in Dallas. Ellis was in the same scheme and got 8 sacks, yet Ekuban could not do the same. Ekuban was supposed to be the better pass rusher. He was more athletic and faster and of course played the weak side, which usually provides more opportunities since it is the QBs blind side. Ekuban never worked out. Happens. I really think his back injury in 2001 ended any chance of him becoming better than what he is. He has found a niche as a back up in Denver. I thought he would be good in that capacity if Dallas stayed in the 4-3. No ill feelings toward him. Just hopes he does nothing on Thursday.

I know you haven't been unfair to Ellis. Except in saying that Wistrom is better.

 

[kartr]

There is a difference. Ellis has achieved 8 sacks in more than one season. Four seassons actually and about to be five. Ekuban did it only once and of course that was not with Dallas. There is a difference in level of acheivment and consistency between the two.

I always chuckle when people say Ellis is constantly double and triple teamed. He certainly sees his share of multiple blockers, but it is nowhere near being constant. I do think he has been double teamed more than Ekuban ever has in a season.

I also chuckle when people say that Ekuban was limited by the scheme in Dallas. Ellis was in the same scheme and got 8 sacks, yet Ekuban could not do the same. Ekuban was supposed to be the better pass rusher. He was more athletic and faster and of course played the weak side, which usually provides more opportunities since it is the QBs blind side. Ekuban never worked out. Happens. I really think his back injury in 2001 ended any chance of him becoming better than what he is. He has found a niche as a back up in Denver. I thought he would be good in that capacity if Dallas stayed in the 4-3. No ill feelings toward him. Just hopes he does nothing on Thursday.

I know you haven't been unfair to Ellis. Except in saying that Wistrom is better.

Ekuban never had a DT with the talent of Glover playing next to him either. He was much better in Cleveland with a better supporting cast. We had a chance to find out how good he could be, but passed on Kevin Williams, who's now one of the best players in the league at his position. Newman's numbers aren't any better than Rashean Mathis of Jacksonville who was drafted in the second round.

 

[Rush 2112]

EK never played next to a guy with the talent level of Glover .

Got it.

Thanks.

 

[joseephuss]

Ekuban never had a DT with the talent of Glover playing next to him either. He was much better in Cleveland with a better supporting cast. We had a chance to find out how good he could be, but passed on Kevin Williams, who's now one of the best players in the league at his position. Newman's numbers aren't any better than Rashean Mathis of Jacksonville who was drafted in the second round.

Ellis put up better numbers than Ekuban on the same team for several seasons. That is all you have to know to see that Ekuban just did not work out.

I don't know what that has to do with Newman and Mathis. Newman is a great player. I don't have to compare him to anyone to know that he is a great player.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

There is a difference. Ellis has achieved 8 sacks in more than one season. Four seassons actually and about to be five. Ekuban did it only once and of course that was not with Dallas. There is a difference in level of acheivment and consistency between the two.

I always chuckle when people say Ellis is constantly double and triple teamed. He certainly sees his share of multiple blockers, but it is nowhere near being constant. I do think he has been double teamed more than Ekuban ever has in a season.

I know you haven't been unfair to Ellis. Except in saying that Wistrom is better.

Oh I agree with you. I'm not that much of a hater to compare Ellis and Ekuban. The problem is 8 sacks is 8 sacks which is respectable but of course not dominate. Even if Ekuban achieved 8 sacks one season, he deserve some props even if it is for just that season.

If Ellis was drafted a year later and in the second round, no one would speak ill of Ellis but you have to remember the context in which he was drafted. He was really expected to be our next great pass rusher. There was a lot of expectations placed on him because we passed on Moss for him essentially. Maybe those expectations were unfair which I will agree to.

I never said Wistrom was the overall better DE but I do think he is a better pass rusher when he is healthy. That's a major distinction