Sources: Big 12, SEC champs to play

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The30YardSlant;4565809 said:
2004 Sugar Bowl
2009 Orange Bowl
2009 Cotton Bowl
2010 Cotton Bowl
2010 Rose Bowl
2011 Cotton Bowl
2012 Cotton Bowl

I could go on, but the numbers break down like this: The SEC has won 21 of the last 25 matchups against Big XII teams, including 14 of the last 15 in bowl games. Of those 21 victories, I believe 14 were double digit victories.

And spare me the "A&M bias". This trend has been going on before A&M to the SEC was even a flirtation and I've held this opinion for years: The SEC is simply better, and the numbers say it isnt close. Big XII teams, much like Pac-12 teams, win with schemes. SEC teams win by out-athleting everyone else. In the end, the SEC usually proves to be a culture shock to finesse Big XII teams used to softer defenses, which is a big reason why I think A&m will really struggle at least for a time in the SEC. It's a huge physical adjustment that is hard to make over the course of several seasons, let alone during a season.

only thing that matters in this case is the number 1 teams, the only times they played an OU team lost to tebow by ten when they were the second best team in the big 12, and Texas was dominating bama early until mccoy got hurt, and made gilbert look good for a while also, so spare me the "mismatch" its only 2 games, and as recent as 7 years ago the texas had a team that would destroy any of the SEC recent champions
 

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GloryDaysRBack;4565853 said:
lol @ this

OSU was gift wrapped a fiesta bowl victory over Stanford

You honestly think OSU was deserving of a championship game birth?!?

??????

yes they deserved a birth, their only loss was a game on the same day of a huge tragedy to their athletic family. its not their fault that the stanford kicker choked, and i dont seem to recall any questionable calls that would "giftwrap" a fiesta bowl victory.
 

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MC KAos;4565875 said:
only thing that matters in this case is the number 1 teams, the only times they played an OU team lost to tebow by ten when they were the second best team in the big 12, and Texas was dominating bama early until mccoy got hurt, and made gilbert look good for a while also, so spare me the "mismatch" its only 2 games, and as recent as 7 years ago the texas had a team that would destroy any of the SEC recent champions

I think you're mistaken if you believe any Texas OR OU team from the past decade would beat Bama or Auburn recent national title teams.
 

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MC KAos;4565877 said:
??????

yes they deserved a birth, their only loss was a game on the same day of a huge tragedy to their athletic family. its not their fault that the stanford kicker choked, and i dont seem to recall any questionable calls that would "giftwrap" a fiesta bowl victory.

Alabama would have crushed OSU, precisely because OSU didn't play a defense lik that all year.

it amazes how people CONTINUE to doubt the SEC despite them kicking *** and taking names EVERY TIME they are given the oppotunity to. At some point, it stops being coincidental.
 

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The30YardSlant;4565881 said:
Alabama would have crushed OSU, precisely because OSU didn't play a defense lik that all year.

it amazes how people CONTINUE to doubt the SEC despite them kicking *** and taking names EVERY TIME they are given the oppotunity to. At some point, it stops being coincidental.

it doesnt matter what you or i think, we dont know anything. you can spew all the crap you want and i can spew crap back and none of it matters because the only way to know would have been to play the game. there is a massive history in sports of teams "going to kill" another and then they get beat. thats besides the fact that it would have been LSU in there, not Bama, since they won the regular season game.
 

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The30YardSlant;4565880 said:
I think you're mistaken if you believe any Texas OR OU team from the past decade would beat Bama or Auburn recent national title teams.

really? the 05 longhorns couldnt beat those teams? the 09 longhorns werent nearly as good and had them on the ropes before mccoy got hurt, that team was far inferior to the 05 longhorns, in every single position! and Auburn? you know they had 4 guys TOTAL drafted from that team? maybe you should go back and look at that 05 longhorns roster, because if you think im "mistaken" by thinking they COULD beat any SEC champ, you are in denial, or just a hater.
 

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MC KAos;4565883 said:
really? the 05 longhorns couldnt beat those teams? the 09 longhorns werent nearly as good and had them on the ropes before mccoy got hurt, that team was far inferior to the 05 longhorns, in every single position! and Auburn? you know they had 4 guys TOTAL drafted from that team? maybe you should go back and look at that 05 longhorns roster, because if you think im "mistaken" by thinking they COULD beat any SEC champ, you are in denial, or just a hater.

Your memory of that '09 game is vastly different from how it actually happened. It was still 0-0 when McCoy was hurt, he was knocked out on the Longhorns' opening drive. The Horns made two fieldgoals in the first quarter and Alabama answered with 24 points in the 2nd quarter to seal the game. There was no having Bama on the ropes and no dominating Bama early. Texas was out of the game on the opening drive when McCoy went down.
 

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Cythim;4565928 said:
Your memory of that '09 game is vastly different from how it actually happened. It was still 0-0 when McCoy was hurt, he was knocked out on the Longhorns' opening drive. The Horns made two fieldgoals in the first quarter and Alabama answered with 24 points in the 2nd quarter to seal the game. There was no having Bama on the ropes and no dominating Bama early. Texas was out of the game on the opening drive when McCoy went down.

well, maybe on the ropes was a bit of an overstatement. but our D played well, garrett gilbert had 3 INTs in the first half and at one point it was a 3 point game. you cant be certain that we get the same result if colt doesnt get hurt, considering how terrible gilbert turned out to be.
 

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btw, as horrible as gilbert was, that game was 24-21 with 3 minutes to go and we had the ball! then gilbert fumbled. that final score was horribly misleading. so, my point still stands that its really not that big of a mismatch as 30yardslant is trying to make it seem!
 

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great article on this

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...ns-bowl-changes-college-footballs-big-picture

When the SEC and Big 12 announced their new bowl agreement Friday, they changed the paradigm of college football perhaps at the most critical time in the game's history. ACC and the Big East? Done in terms of being meaningful major college football conferences in the marketplace. One has barely made a blip in the BCS era. The other just pushed out its commissioner and is hanging on for dear life.

Meanwhile, interim Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas just hit a walk-off at the end of a career that has spanned four decades. Asked what he would do if he were ACC or Big East commissioner today, Neinas, laughing, said: “Better get a good bowl.”

The Big East, ACC and whoever else is still playing in FBS don't have war chests. They have become content farms for leftovers.

The Champions Bowl (working title) became a traveling road show that will be played at the site of the highest bidder. The Big 12 and SEC champions will play each year unless one or both champs are in the playoff. If that's the case, a second choice from the conference(s) is picked.

It's what the deal represents: If you haven't noticed, the top level of college football is now narrowed to the Big Four -- Pac-12, Big Ten, Big 12 and SEC. Those 48 schools control most of the influence, power, money and, most important, product in the Football Bowl Subdivision. That shouldn't be a surprise, but the announcement of the Champions Bowl put a face on college athletics' latest study in Darwinism.

“Nothing's changed,” one industry source said. “The Big East is diminished and the ACC is not the same as those other top leagues.”

Still, 48 schools and two major, big-time bowls. More power in the hands of the powerful. Let your mind wander. Secede from the NCAA? They certainly have the leverage if those 46 want to install their own recruiting rules and play with 150-man rosters? And at one point does a 16-team playoff sponsored by Anheuser-Busch become a reality?

It's all on the table now.

If you're not in the Big Four, you're not big time. That means you, Miami and Florida State, who suddenly have a huge decision to make. Remain outside the Big Four with the ACC making $17 million per year in a league that can't compete for a national championship, or take your valuable brands and petition for entry into the Big 12.

Based on Friday's announcement -- the two biggest football names in the ACC could soon be making $25 million a year in the Big 12.

And if that happens, the ACC becomes a whole lot less desirable to a Notre Dame that has to be thinking seriously about joining a conference. Put it this way: ND isn't going to get better access when the four-team playoff debuts in 2014.......
 

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and I think this deserved its own post


One unique feature of this new arrangement: The Champions Bowl will be bid out. The Sugar Bowl is the preferred site, but I'm thinking Jerry Jones has a war chest of his own to bring the game to Cowboys Stadium. Atlanta and the Georgia Dome will want in.
 

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Texas has a few years to get their heads back on straight.....so they can play Bama, LSU, Florida, Auburn, or Georgia at the end of every season....

BTW, under the new format, there would now be a chance for the Horns to play the Aggies again......a very, very, very slim chance, but a chance nonetheless
 

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MC KAos;4565883 said:
really? the 05 longhorns couldnt beat those teams? the 09 longhorns werent nearly as good and had them on the ropes before mccoy got hurt, that team was far inferior to the 05 longhorns, in every single position! and Auburn? you know they had 4 guys TOTAL drafted from that team? maybe you should go back and look at that 05 longhorns roster, because if you think im "mistaken" by thinking they COULD beat any SEC champ, you are in denial, or just a hater.

The Longhorns had ONE sustained drive in the entire first half and never led in that game. Not sure how that equates to having them "on the ropes".

And Nick Saban wouldnt have gone into his "three runs and punt" offense had McCoy been in the game.
 

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The30YardSlant;4566402 said:
The Longhorns had ONE sustained drive in the entire first half and never led in that game. Not sure how that equates to having them "on the ropes".

And Nick Saban wouldnt have gone into his "three runs and punt" offense had McCoy been in the game.

right, the game was 24-21 for most of the 4th quarter, but saban went conservative because he was comfortable with a 3 POINT LEAD! id say to take your hater glasses off, but you have made it obvious that its impossible for you to do. those teams were a lot closer than you are making it seem, so was the previous year championship game, it wasnt a "mismatch" they were both close games at the end. is one conference better than the other? yes, but that doesnt make it a mismatch, and it doesnt mean that the best big 12 team cant beat the best sec team on any given saturday.
 

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MC KAos;4566517 said:
right, the game was 24-21 for most of the 4th quarter, but saban went conservative because he was comfortable with a 3 POINT LEAD! id say to take your hater glasses off, but you have made it obvious that its impossible for you to do. those teams were a lot closer than you are making it seem, so was the previous year championship game, it wasnt a "mismatch" they were both close games at the end. is one conference better than the other? yes, but that doesnt make it a mismatch, and it doesnt mean that the best big 12 team cant beat the best sec team on any given saturday.

Saban bet that Gilbert couldn't beat them, and it worked. Bama's defense ultimately won.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;4565292 said:
http://espn.go.com/college-football...g-12-sec-champions-meet-bowl-game-sources-say

The champions of the Big 12 and SEC conferences will meet in a bowl game annually, sources have told ESPN.com.

The agreement will begin with the 2014 season, with the champions of each conference meeting provided that neither team is in the BCS national championship game.

The style of the agreement will be similar to the one the Rose Bowl has with the Big Ten and Pac-12 conferences.

The site of this bowl game is still undetermined. The Big 12 and SEC conferences are expected to make an official announcement at noon ET.


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Do you think some of the Football teams in the ACC are thinking about bolting even more now...also think about Notre Dame eventually joining a Conference as well.

Interesting times.
I don't see why this would impact Notre Dame or the ACC. They'll probably either play the game in New Orleans (and maybe call it something radical like "The Sugar Bowl") or Glendale (and maybe call it something radical like "The Fiesta Bowl").

Furthermore, I honestly doubt we'll ever actually see this bowl game as currently advertised. It'll be a long time before niether the Big 12 champ nor the SEC champ are in the Final 4.
 

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Cythim;4565928 said:
Your memory of that '09 game is vastly different from how it actually happened. It was still 0-0 when McCoy was hurt, he was knocked out on the Longhorns' opening drive. The Horns made two fieldgoals in the first quarter and Alabama answered with 24 points in the 2nd quarter to seal the game. There was no having Bama on the ropes and no dominating Bama early. Texas was out of the game on the opening drive when McCoy went down.
I think you're the one who has a memory of that game which is vastly different from how it actually happened. With 6 minutes to go in the game, and with a backup QB having played virtually the entire thing, Texas trailed Alabama 24-21. That sure doesn't sound to me like a game that Texas was out of from the opening drive on.

It is 100% plausible to suggest that the outcome of that game would have been much different if Texas had their Heisman Trophy candidate playing instead of a guy who had never started a game in his life.
 

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The30YardSlant;4566666 said:
Saban bet that Gilbert couldn't beat them, and it worked. Bama's defense ultimately won.

gilbert won bama the game, thats still beside the point that it wasnt a mismatch, it was an even game AFTER our all american, winningest qb ever at the time came out of the game. and im sure saban did it equally because he didnt trust HIS qb, since the longhorns defense played a great game and didnt let him do anything but throw picks
 

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Rogah;4566689 said:
I think you're the one who has a memory of that game which is vastly different from how it actually happened. With 6 minutes to go in the game, and with a backup QB having played virtually the entire thing, Texas trailed Alabama 24-21. That sure doesn't sound to me like a game that Texas was out of from the opening drive on.

It is 100% plausible to suggest that the outcome of that game would have been much different if Texas had their Heisman Trophy candidate playing instead of a guy who had never started a game in his life.

a guy that lost his job to two freshmen 2 star recruits his junior year as well, gilbert was the ryan leaf of the 2008 signing class (barkley being manning)
 

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MC KAos;4566815 said:
a guy that lost his job to two freshmen 2 star recruits his junior year as well, gilbert was the ryan leaf of the 2008 signing class (barkley being manning)
I was hoping ya'll would hold on to Gilbert another year ;) :D
 
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