Sources: Big 12, SEC champs to play

[Cythim]

I think you're the one who has a memory of that game which is vastly different from how it actually happened. With 6 minutes to go in the game, and with a backup QB having played virtually the entire thing, Texas trailed Alabama 24-21. That sure doesn't sound to me like a game that Texas was out of from the opening drive on.

It is 100% plausible to suggest that the outcome of that game would have been much different if Texas had their Heisman Trophy candidate playing instead of a guy who had never started a game in his life.

Texas was out of the game because Gilbert was not going to beat Alabama. Most everyone knew that though I and many others hoped he could do the impossible and win the game.

I don't care about plausible, you cannot rewrite history with IFs.

 

[Cythim]

right, the game was 24-21 for most of the 4th quarter, but saban went conservative because he was comfortable with a 3 POINT LEAD! id say to take your hater glasses off, but you have made it obvious that its impossible for you to do. those teams were a lot closer than you are making it seem, so was the previous year championship game, it wasnt a "mismatch" they were both close games at the end. is one conference better than the other? yes, but that doesnt make it a mismatch, and it doesnt mean that the best big 12 team cant beat the best sec team on any given saturday.

The game was 24-21 for 4 minutes of the 4th quarter. Texas scored with 6 minutes to go and Alabama scored two drives later on a Gilbert turnover. It is impossible to say how the game would have ended if McCoy was in the entire time. I believe it was an even matchup until the injury.

I think calling it a mismatch is a farce simply because no other conference matches up as well as the Big 12 against the SEC. The Big 12 has the second most BCS championship appearances (tied with ACC) and has been the most relevant conference outside of the SEC over the last decade. The ACC hasn't made a title game appearance since the 2001 Orange Bowl (or the 2003 Fiesta Bowl except Miami was still in the Big East) while the Big 10 has a total of 4 appearances and the Pac-12 has 3.

Keep in mind that all of this will change. USC, OSU, Michigan, Miami, Florida State and Washington will be back in the mix just as Texas is trying to climb back into it after two bad years and A&M after a bad decade. Teams and conferences go up and down and there will be a day when the SEC is the underdog conference.

 

[MC KAos]

The game was 24-21 for 4 minutes of the 4th quarter. Texas scored with 6 minutes to go and Alabama scored two drives later on a Gilbert turnover. It is impossible to say how the game would have ended if McCoy was in the entire time. I believe it was an even matchup until the injury.

I think calling it a mismatch is a farce simply because no other conference matches up as well as the Big 12 against the SEC. The Big 12 has the second most BCS championship appearances (tied with ACC) and has been the most relevant conference outside of the SEC over the last decade. The ACC hasn't made a title game appearance since the 2001 Orange Bowl (or the 2003 Fiesta Bowl except Miami was still in the Big East) while the Big 10 has a total of 4 appearances and the Pac-12 has 3.

Keep in mind that all of this will change. USC, OSU, Michigan, Miami, Florida State and Washington will be back in the mix just as Texas is trying to climb back into it after two bad years and A&M after a bad decade. Teams and conferences go up and down and there will be a day when the SEC is the underdog conference.

all true, my only beef was that 30yardslant said it was a big mismatch. i agree the SEC is the best and all that, they will probably win most of these games. what i dont agree with is that its a huge mismatch, most of the games will be very close and competitive.

 

[rkell87]

The game was 24-21 for 4 minutes of the 4th quarter. Texas scored with 6 minutes to go and Alabama scored two drives later on a Gilbert turnover. It is impossible to say how the game would have ended if McCoy was in the entire time. I believe it was an even matchup until the injury.

I think calling it a mismatch is a farce simply because no other conference matches up as well as the Big 12 against the SEC. The Big 12 has the second most BCS championship appearances (tied with ACC) and has been the most relevant conference outside of the SEC over the last decade. The ACC hasn't made a title game appearance since the 2001 Orange Bowl (or the 2003 Fiesta Bowl except Miami was still in the Big East) while the Big 10 has a total of 4 appearances and the Pac-12 has 3.

Keep in mind that all of this will change. USC, OSU, Michigan, Miami, Florida State and Washington will be back in the mix just as Texas is trying to climb back into it after two bad years and A&M after a bad decade. Teams and conferences go up and down and there will be a day when the SEC is the underdog conference.

the sec will only sink to an underdog conference if they start putting in restrictions on over signing.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think you're mistaken if you believe any Texas OR OU team from the past decade would beat Bama or Auburn recent national title teams.

Texas almost did even with Colt McCoy injured early in the NC game vs Bama.

When people say Big 12 could not have won in a game that was never played how do you know this? Hell even underdogs win big games. To say Bama or Auburn would be favored fair enough to know the outcome is a matter of opinion

 

[DFWJC]

The game was 24-21 for 4 minutes of the 4th quarter. Texas scored with 6 minutes to go and Alabama scored two drives later on a Gilbert turnover. It is impossible to say how the game would have ended if McCoy was in the entire time. I believe it was an even matchup until the injury.

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It is impossible.
But I say the odds were very high that Texas would beat Bama with mcCoy at the helm. They seemed very confident at ease before he went down. He was the leader and had known no one else at QB for a long time. Just a terrible, terrible break for UT.

But the Tide did have a very tough group, so maybe they would have won anyway.

 

[MC KAos]

Texas almost did even with Colt McCoy injured early in the NC game vs Bama.

When people say Big 12 could not have won in a game that was never played how do you know this? Hell even underdogs win big games. To say Bama or Auburn would be favored fair enough to know the outcome is a matter of opinion

no SEC champ would be favored vs the 05 longhorns

 

[MC KAos]

It is impossible.
But I say the odds were very high that Texas would beat Bama with mcCoy at the helm. They seemed very confident at ease before he went down. He was the leader and had known no one else at QB for a long time. Just a terrible, terrible break for UT.

But the Tide did have a very tough group, so maybe they would have won anyway.

i think the big overall point ive been arguing is that the best SEC team and the best Big 12 team playing a game is far from a mismatch, like a certain big 12 hater has been trying to say

 

[The30YardSlant]

no SEC champ would be favored vs the 05 longhorns

That team's offense consisted of the zone read, short outs, ins and comebacks and Young's scrambling ability. That stuff doesn't work when the opposing lienbackers are as fast as your skill position players

 

[The30YardSlant]

i think the big overall point ive been arguing is that the best SEC team and the best Big 12 team playing a game is far from a mismatch, like a certain big 12 hater has been trying to say

The inter-conference battles have shown that it is typically a mismatch.

 

[MC KAos]

That team's offense consisted of the zone read, short outs, ins and comebacks and Young's scrambling ability. That stuff doesn't work when the opposing lienbackers are as fast as your skill position players

it worked just fine vs "the greatest college football team of all time" and that same offense worked just fine for Utah when they shellacked bama. and our D was a hell of a lot better than any D outside of the 08 sooners that the SEC has seen in any of their title runs

 

[MC KAos]

The inter-conference battles have shown that it is typically a mismatch.

by the same token, it has shown that the big 12 is by far the second best conference. the only thing that matters is the TOP team in each conference, its not the big12/SEC challenge, its 1 game, the champions of each conference, and the two recent games in that sense havent been mismatches at all!

 

[The30YardSlant]

it worked just fine vs "the greatest college football team of all time" and that same offense worked just fine for Utah when they shellacked bama. and our D was a hell of a lot better than any D outside of the 08 sooners that the SEC has seen in any of their title runs

USC's defense was statistically mediocre in 2005, and notoriously slow on the front end. In hindsight, that was a serious mismatch. That being said, they were still a Lendale White herp derp away from icing the game. And Utah ran the offense that Florida ran under Urban Myer (a spread option), completely different with much more variation.

And the Texas defense was better than OU's, but you seen to forget that SEC teams have to play each other to get to the title. The SEC has sported some of the best defenses in history over the past decade.

 

[The30YardSlant]

by the same token, it has shown that the big 12 is by far the second best conference!

The Big 10 is deeper, but in terms of top teams I won't argue that the Big XII is second. That ebing said, there's a big gap in program noteriety between LSU/Bama/Florida/George/Arkansas/Tennessee and Texas/OU/WVU/TCU/OSU/Tech

 

[Doomsday101]

no SEC champ would be favored vs the 05 longhorns

I don't know since Texas went into the 05 NC game as the underdog to USC.

My claim is no one knows what the outcome of a game never played would have been. For anyone to say OSU would have lost to Bama or LSU we will never know because the game never took place

 

[rkell87]

USC's defense was statistically mediocre in 2005, and notoriously slow on the front end. In hindsight, that was a serious mismatch. That being said, they were still a Lendale White herp derp away from icing the game. And Utah ran the offense that Florida ran under Urban Myer (a spread option), completely different with much more variation.

And the Texas defense was better than OU's, but you seen to forget that SEC teams have to play each other to get to the title. The SEC has sported some of the best defenses in history over the past decade.

what was the white herp derp? I remember bush trying to lateral in traffic and turning a 20 yard gain into a turn over but I don't remember what white did.

 

[MC KAos]

White didn't get the first down because it was a GREAT play by our D! I love how UT haters just want to make it seem like that team wasn't anything less than an all time great squad

 

[MC KAos]

I don't know since Texas went into the 05 NC game as the underdog to USC.

My claim is no one knows what the outcome of a game never played would have been. For anyone to say OSU would have lost to Bama or LSU we will never know because the game never took place

They were underdogs because the game was in LA and USC was being touted as the greatest team of all time! I remember ESPN having a ridiculous series where experts predicted what would happen if USC played the greatest teams of all time, they picked USC to win every single game.

As for your second paragraph, I agree completely and utterly

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't know since Texas went into the 05 NC game as the underdog to USC.

My claim is no one knows what the outcome of a game never played would have been. For anyone to say OSU would have lost to Bama or LSU we will never know because the game never took place

100% correct Dooms.


That is exactly why you play them.

 

[Doomsday101]

They were underdogs because the game was in LA and USC was being touted as the greatest team of all time! I remember ESPN having a ridiculous series where experts predicted what would happen if USC played the greatest teams of all time, they picked USC to win every single game.

As for your second paragraph, I agree completely and utterly

reason does not matter Texas came into the game as a underdog and were 6 point underdogs vs Bama in the National Championship game in 09.

I would have loved to have seen Colt play the entire game but vs Bama, not saying Texas would have won but it would have given Texas a better chance.