Sources: Dallas may release Owens (ESPN) *Merge*

[TheDude]

Exactly like the Giants when they lost their #1 "problematic" wideout...

Oh wait, that did happen.....

 

[Idgit]

Exactly like the Giants when they lost their #1 "problematic" wideout...

Oh wait, that did happen.....

So...it could go either way?

 

[TheDude]

I doubt it, TO was the biggest if not only problem with the Cowboys. From injuries to Cory Proctors performance to Romos fumbles and turnovers to Brad Johnson to 2 consecutive 75+ yd runs to Magahee and the other JAG to 1-3 in December (again) to letting Stephen Jackson get circa 200 yds.

It was all TO. If everyone wasn't wondering "what is TO gonna think", the defense would have been more disciplined, created more turnovers, been injured less, Brad Johnson could have completed a pass longer than 7 yd digs, Proctor could have kept Romo from getting the lower back injury by blocking someone within 5 yds of him.

See, the Cowboys are 53 22-40 year old guys that collectively are too fragile to do their individual duties (like tackling MaGahee on 1st and 75 or Hightower on 3rd and 21, etc) becasue TO has this uncanny ability to make 52 other people worry about him than their jobs.

Everyone here has it figured out. C'mon

 

[Idgit]

I doubt it, TO was the biggest if not only problem with the Cowboys. From injuries to Cory Proctors performance to Romos fumbles and turnovers to Brad Johnson to 2 consecutive 75+ yd runs to Magahee and the other JAG to 1-3 in December (again) to letting Stephen Jackson get circa 200 yds.

It was all TO. If everyone wasn't wondering "what is TO gonna think", the defense would have been more disciplined, created more turnovers, been injured less, Brad Johnson could have completed a pass longer than 7 yd digs, Proctor could have kept Romo from getting the lower back injury by blocking someone within 5 yds of him.

See, the Cowboys are 53 22-40 year old guys that collectively are too fragile to do their individual duties (like tackling MaGahee on 1st and 75 or Hightower on 3rd and 21, etc) becasue TO has this uncanny ability to make 52 other people worry about him than their jobs.

Everyone here has it figured out. C'mon

I'm actually almost completely on the fence about TO, and I lean towards keeping him right now. I do see that we're in an area where it makes sense to discuss whether or not he should be released. And if the OC or the QB have legitimate issues with him, then I don't think it's much of a decision.

I completely agree with everything else you mention as the real causes of the problems last year. Those are more important issues, they're just not getting attention yet and the TO thing has come to a head with Garrett interviewing for jobs and the press speculating about their relationship.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Great. Chemistry will be better.
Our talent level will suffer.

If the Cowboys underachieved this season, wait until they can underachieve even more -- without a T.O.
Our receivers corp will be led by the whiney, largely untested Roy Williams and then the talent level will drop off hugely with the talkative and subaverage Crayfish.

Jerra's quest to improve chemistry won't last past next season when this unmotivated bunch will underachieve again under the weakling coach known as Wade Phillips.

 

[wileedog]

I doubt it, TO was the biggest if not only problem with the Cowboys. From injuries to Cory Proctors performance to Romos fumbles and turnovers to Brad Johnson to 2 consecutive 75+ yd runs to Magahee and the other JAG to 1-3 in December (again) to letting Stephen Jackson get circa 200 yds.

It was all TO. If everyone wasn't wondering "what is TO gonna think", the defense would have been more disciplined, created more turnovers, been injured less, Brad Johnson could have completed a pass longer than 7 yd digs, Proctor could have kept Romo from getting the lower back injury by blocking someone within 5 yds of him.

See, the Cowboys are 53 22-40 year old guys that collectively are too fragile to do their individual duties (like tackling MaGahee on 1st and 75 or Hightower on 3rd and 21, etc) becasue TO has this uncanny ability to make 52 other people worry about him than their jobs.

Everyone here has it figured out. C'mon

And yet if we lose 1 35 year WR, the entire team is screwed and the season is tanked. 52 other guys will no longer be inspired by his heroic end zone dances and will play terrible. We will have no offense, our defense will play much worse, our special team will get worse - oh wait, scratch that one - and we will be basement dwellers..

Stupid extreme logic works both ways.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

They'd be like the Giants, when Shockey went down. Oh, wait. That actually happened, didn't it?

Yeah cause Shockey and TO product the same results right??

Exactly like the Giants when they lost their #1 "problematic" wideout...

Oh wait, that did happen.....

Point!

 

[TheDude]

Honestly, I could care less if he is released or not AS long as the root problems are addressed.

First, someone would should press the coaches or Jerry on who made the personell calls on Proctor, B Johnson, Z Thomas. In that order, All 3 were massive failures. Holland played better while he was in there and should have been in the first time Kosier went down. If he wasn't in shape, it is the coaches who should fine him and get on him like Parcells did w/ L Allen.

Second, the defense does not create turnovers, and they do not tackle well, coaching or personell, that cost us the AZ, StL games (along with Johnson) and likely the Balt game

Third, the offense was garbage. Ed Reed and Ray Lewis said it, most of us saw it. Routes were 40 yd bombs, a couple of Witten seam routes and a couple of Screens, in that order, 75% of the runs were shotgun Draws and sweeps. The Oline was abysmal, but having to hold blocks for 4 seconds for the 40 yd bombs were ridiculous. Houck did not earn his money and Garret failed for the second year in a row. Either RW11 is a complete bust, or something is wrong with the calls/QB. (see 4th and 1 WR screens).

Coaching - Listen to Mike Tomlin and then watch Wade. Nuff said. The Cowboys are and always will be a media circus. The successfull teams have come when the coach has been just as big as the team and at least assertive and no nonsense football guys. JJ, Landry, Parcells (no playoff wins but the talent is there compared to 5-11 2002 teams).

I am seriously doubting Romo has the maeup of a winning QB. He will have his stats, but the losses don't seem to bother him. Its one thing to be even keeled, but another to say after being eliminated while throwing picks and fumbles "If the worst thing that happens to me is losing a game, I'll be fortunate." Never would have heard that from the triplets, and I have never heard that from TO.

The other "TO sucks" crowd. If he was that bad, why couldn't Crayton and RW get any more open?

Put TOs stats up against last year and they aren't far off considering he had 3 games w/ BJ. He can needs to absolutely do better, but even if he played 100% flawless this year, would not have added one win to our total.

 

[wileedog]

Honestly, I could care less if he is released or not AS long as the root problems are addressed.

First, someone would should press the coaches or Jerry on who made the personell calls on Proctor, B Johnson, Z Thomas. In that order, All 3 were massive failures. Holland played better while he was in there and should have been in the first time Kosier went down. If he wasn't in shape, it is the coaches who should fine him and get on him like Parcells did w/ L Allen.

Second, the defense does not create turnovers, and they do not tackle well, coaching or personell, that cost us the AZ, StL games (along with Johnson) and likely the Balt game

Third, the offense was garbage. Ed Reed and Ray Lewis said it, most of us saw it. Routes were 40 yd bombs, a couple of Witten seam routes and a couple of Screens, in that order, 75% of the runs were shotgun Draws and sweeps. The Oline was abysmal, but having to hold blocks for 4 seconds for the 40 yd bombs were ridiculous. Houck did not earn his money and Garret failed for the second year in a row. Either RW11 is a complete bust, or something is wrong with the calls/QB. (see 4th and 1 WR screens).

Coaching - Listen to Mike Tomlin and then watch Wade. Nuff said. The Cowboys are and always will be a media circus. The successfull teams have come when the coach has been just as big as the team and at least assertive and no nonsense football guys. JJ, Landry, Parcells (no playoff wins but the talent is there compared to 5-11 2002 teams).

I am seriously doubting Romo has the maeup of a winning QB. He will have his stats, but the losses don't seem to bother him. Its one thing to be even keeled, but another to say after being eliminated while throwing picks and fumbles "If the worst thing that happens to me is losing a game, I'll be fortunate." Never would have heard that from the triplets, and I have never heard that from TO.

The other "TO sucks" crowd. If he was that bad, why couldn't Crayton and RW get any more open?

Put TOs stats up against last year and they aren't far off considering he had 3 games w/ BJ. He can needs to absolutely do better, but even if he played 100% flawless this year, would not have added one win to our total.

Good post.

As I've said before, if Jerry addresses the coaching situation I welcome back TO with open arms. Give me a disciplined, sound football team with the right focus and a commanding coach in the locker room to counteract him and I'll put up with the rest of the stuff.

I just think this mix of a laid back Wade, a young inexperienced OC and a meddling owner who coddles guys like TO makes the drama and distractions 50x worse than they need to be, and not worth the declining production (and yes, I recognize some of the declining production is because of said young OC and terrible HC - but those aren't changing are they?).

 

[Da Hammer]

Honestly i just dont see T.O getting cut by Jerry not that i want T.O to be cut. I dont know maybe its just me but if T.O were to be solely be judged on what he has done here in his career with Dallas i think that what he has done here off the field would NOT be considered a "big deal". but instead he's being judged on what he has done his entire career which admittedly (SP?) is his own fault and well to me the "problems" he is creating here feels like its being overrated! I dont mind Pacman being cut because even though i like him as a player well he proved that he cant be trusted getting suspended a lot of games and Tank has been spoutin off that he cant wait to leave so i dont mind them gettin cut! However cutting someone like T.O who is a great playmaker and that wants to win to me just seems foolish...