Spend the Money :)

[Cbz40]

Well Pop's free agency isn't over with. Let's give it a little time.

As of now We haven't lost anything ....so

Therefore......as of now I haven't reached my panic mode.

 

[Chuck 54]

I'll tell you one thing that not many people will agree with me on:

If we have to line up with worse RG and RT than we had last year, that is a recipe for disaster.

As for Newman's contract, I love TNew, but I think you can replace him and keep motoring on defense a heck of a lot easier than you can win games with a putrid OL.

TNew is a great asset, but if you take a step back and a notch down to a lesser CB who is still a legit starter, it will not cost you as many wins as stepping down from a bad OL to a worse one...I truly believe that.

 

[dbair1967]

I'll tell you one thing that not many people will agree with me on:

If we have to line up with worse RG and RT than we had last year, that is a recipe for disaster.

As for Newman's contract, I love TNew, but I think you can replace him and keep motoring on defense a heck of a lot easier than you can win games with a putrid OL.

TNew is a great asset, but if you take a step back and a notch down to a lesser CB who is still a legit starter, it will not cost you as many wins as stepping down from a bad OL to a worse one...I truly believe that.

so you are saying if came down to a decision to resigning an average RT like Columbo now or letting one of the top CB's in football walk next yr or the yr after, you'd let Newman walk? wth?

and how do you know we're going to line up worse at RG and RT next yr? its the 2nd freaking day of free agency people

David

 

[Cbz40]

I'll tell you one thing that not many people will agree with me on:

If we have to line up with worse RG and RT than we had last year, that is a recipe for disaster.

As for Newman's contract, I love TNew, but I think you can replace him and keep motoring on defense a heck of a lot easier than you can win games with a putrid OL.

TNew is a great asset, but if you take a step back and a notch down to a lesser CB who is still a legit starter, it will not cost you as many wins as stepping down from a bad OL to a worse one...I truly believe that.

Wayne ......I'm not saying I agree or disagee w/ the cb statement but I'm 100% with you concerning the OL.

 

[theebs]

so you are saying if came down to a decision to resigning an average RT like Columbo now or letting one of the top CB's in football walk next yr or the yr after, you'd let Newman walk? wth?

and how do you know we're going to line up worse at RG and RT next yr? its the 2nd freaking day of free agency people

David

not to mention we have a good scouting department and 10 draft picks.

ONe more thing that people are forgetting from last year. Last year jeff ireland scouted nfl players that would fit their system. He didnt do college evaluating all year until before the draft. In 05 he concentrated on the draft all year and this year also.

So I expect this scouting department to find good players that fit what we do this april.

10 draft picks. Worth more than cap money sometime, if you can get the right guys.

 

[dbair1967]

not to mention we have a good scouting department and 10 draft picks.

ONe more thing that people are forgetting from last year. Last year jeff ireland scouted nfl players that would fit their system. He didnt do college evaluating all year until before the draft. In 05 he concentrated on the draft all year and this year also.

So I expect this scouting department to find good players that fit what we do this april.

10 draft picks. Worth more than cap money sometime, if you can get the right guys.

and this looks to be a pretty good OL draft...while I do agree with some of the others that going into next yr with rookies or unproven guys lining up at RG and RT is taking a chance to some extent, it could just as easily be a huge upgrade because niether Rivera nor Columbo were "good" players...they were AVERAGE players, and in alot of games Rivera was below average

there's just way too much time left in free agency and then there's the draft, where as you mention we currently have 10 picks...no reason for the mass panic and the "Jones is blowing it" posts all over the place IMO

David

 

[theebs]

i agree.

I do think columbo is a good player though, but he cant get that money because medically he is a red flag player.

I think other teams will see that also and ultimately sometime in the near future, because the money is similar he will sign here.

 

[Bizwah]

and this looks to be a pretty good OL draft...while I do agree with some of the others that going into next yr with rookies or unproven guys lining up at RG and RT is taking a chance to some extent, it could just as easily be a huge upgrade because niether Rivera nor Columbo were "good" players...they were AVERAGE players, and in alot of games Rivera was below average

there's just way too much time left in free agency and then there's the draft, where as you mention we currently have 10 picks...no reason for the mass panic and the "Jones is blowing it" posts all over the place IMO

David

I think most understand that getting panicky right now is a little premature. But, I have to disagree about the draft, and depending on it to meet our needs.

Do you want two rookies protecting our young QB?

We may do well with that....rookies can certainly play at a high level. But it's quite a gamble.

The worst thing I hate about not getting an OL during FA is the fact that we'll be entering the draft with MAJOR needs. That leads to reaching and reaching leads us back to 2000, when we took Carter and Dixon.

I'd hate to see us pass on a great player that falls (let's take Landry for instance) to take a guy like Blalock (who may be around in rnd 2 or 3).

 

[dbair1967]

I think most understand that getting panicky right now is a little premature. But, I have to disagree about the draft, and depending on it to meet our needs.

Do you want two rookies protecting our young QB?

We may do well with that....rookies can certainly play at a high level. But it's quite a gamble.

The worst thing I hate about not getting an OL during FA is the fact that we'll be entering the draft with MAJOR needs. That leads to reaching and reaching leads us back to 2000, when we took Carter and Dixon.

I'd hate to see us pass on a great player that falls (let's take Landry for instance) to take a guy like Blalock (who may be around in rnd 2 or 3).

they dont necessarily have to use their 1st rd pick on an OL, nor do I think they'd pass on a huge bargain (ie, like Landry even though he definitely isnt going to fall) just because they have some concerns on the OL

you also have to remember McQ and Proctor....either or both might be legit starters if they got the opportunity, and as I've mentioned before it wouldnt be a huge shock if either or both were upgrades over what we had because niether Rivera or Columbo were "good" players

David

 

[Mansta54]

they dont necessarily have to use their 1st rd pick on an OL, nor do I think they'd pass on a huge bargain (ie, like Landry even though he definitely isnt going to fall) just because they have some concerns on the OL

you also have to remember McQ and Proctor....either or both might be legit starters if they got the opportunity, and as I've mentioned before it wouldnt be a huge shock if either or both were upgrades over what we had because niether Rivera or Columbo were "good" players

David

I agree!! I know Proctor would be a upgrade over Rivera, hell, you or I would be a upgrade over that dude. As for Columbo, I wasn't all that hyped on his performance last year and obviously neither was JJ and the coaching staff since they don't wanna pay him. I think McQ can do better then Columbo and I bet thats the thinking of JJ too.

 

[Bizwah]

they dont necessarily have to use their 1st rd pick on an OL, nor do I think they'd pass on a huge bargain (ie, like Landry even though he definitely isnt going to fall) just because they have some concerns on the OL

you also have to remember McQ and Proctor....either or both might be legit starters if they got the opportunity, and as I've mentioned before it wouldnt be a huge shock if either or both were upgrades over what we had because niether Rivera or Columbo were "good" players

David

You're right....they DON'T HAVE to......

But look at our history.......we've done it.....I can see JJ trading down to get more picks, and passing on a bargain player (ok, Landry was hyperbole) to be able to justify taking an OL.

We've reached for players that we NEEDED. Hopefully, JJ will remember the Stepfret Williamses that got us into trouble to begin with.

 

[peplaw06]

I'll tell you one thing that not many people will agree with me on:

If we have to line up with worse RG and RT than we had last year, that is a recipe for disaster.

As for Newman's contract, I love TNew, but I think you can replace him and keep motoring on defense a heck of a lot easier than you can win games with a putrid OL.

TNew is a great asset, but if you take a step back and a notch down to a lesser CB who is still a legit starter, it will not cost you as many wins as stepping down from a bad OL to a worse one...I truly believe that.

I don't think we'll let TNew get away... at least I hope not. And for those of you scared by Clements' contract with the 9ers. He's never going to see all of that money. 8 yrs 80 mil, puhlease.... The 8th year is 16 million. Michael Smith said it's really a 7 year 64 mil deal... and I doubt he even sees all of that. Something like 40 mil is guaranteed money IIRC.

 

[dbair1967]

You're right....they DON'T HAVE to......

But look at our history.......we've done it.....I can see JJ trading down to get more picks, and passing on a bargain player (ok, Landry was hyperbole) to be able to justify taking an OL.

We've reached for players that we NEEDED. Hopefully, JJ will remember the Stepfret Williamses that got us into trouble to begin with.

that was years ago...Jones has learned alot since then and we have a very good front office...he'll listen to Jeff Ireland

if anything some of Parcells' biggest draft gaffes were because he didnt listen to Ireland, and Parcells reportedly wanted Spears before taking Ware

David

 

[MichaelWinicki]

that was years ago...Jones has learned alot since then and we have a very good front office...he'll listen to Jeff Ireland

if anything some of Parcells' biggest draft gaffes were because he didnt listen to Ireland, and Parcells reportedly wanted Spears before taking Ware

David

Exactly.

Rogers wasn't an Ireland f'up but donut fingers'.

 

[Cbz40]

I have never heard such BS in my life. You Lazy Boy GMs spend your money wisely on your KMart Blue light special OLmen. Start your rooks & 2nd year unproven Gs & Tackles.......Get your 20mil QB killed, your 12mil RB s Killed, That's spending money wisely...give me a friggin BREAK!!!!!

 

[Bizwah]

that was years ago...Jones has learned alot since then and we have a very good front office...he'll listen to Jeff Ireland

if anything some of Parcells' biggest draft gaffes were because he didnt listen to Ireland, and Parcells reportedly wanted Spears before taking Ware

David

I hope you're right.

Assuming we stand pat with what we have now.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

you dont spend just for the sake of spending...if the guy isnt worth the money, it comes back to haunt you at some point

the Niners just gave out the absolute worst contract I have ever seen for a player, the guy wasnt worth 1/3 of what they paid......eventually that kind of stupidity will bite you in the arse

David

The problem is incomplete information, as it often is in economics. The more incomplete the information, the clunkier the market behaves. Nobody knows what these numbers should be and tampering rules mean that the numbers don't start popping up until 12:01 and then there's a mad rush.

I agree with you that some teams are signing bad contracts but the reverse should also be true: some teams are failing to "buy" a product they want/need because they don't know the real prices.

I think you're lowballing the real price.

 

[peplaw06]

I have never heard such BS in my life. You Lazy Boy GMs spend your money wisely on your KMart Blue light special OLmen. Start your rooks & 2nd year unproven Gs & Tackles.......Get your 20mil QB killed, your 12mil RB s Killed, That's spending money wisely...give me a friggin BREAK!!!!!

Pops is on a rampage this mornin'

 

[dbair1967]

I have never heard such BS in my life. You Lazy Boy GMs spend your money wisely on your KMart Blue light special OLmen. Start your rooks & 2nd year unproven Gs & Tackles.......Get your 20mil QB killed, your 12mil RB s Killed, That's spending money wisely...give me a friggin BREAK!!!!!

time to hit the nitro CBZ

everything will be fine...you'll see

David

 

[jay cee]

I have never heard such BS in my life. You Lazy Boy GMs spend your money wisely on your KMart Blue light special OLmen. Start your rooks & 2nd year unproven Gs & Tackles.......Get your 20mil QB killed, your 12mil RB s Killed, That's spending money wisely...give me a friggin BREAK!!!!!

Because deep down, like most chearleaders, they only get excited about the skill positions.

I don't care what the Cowboys do to improve the o-line, if they are to have any shot at winning it all, they had better get it done.