Spike/Fakie Spike - DT/NT Bowls over C/G and Nails QB; Legal?

[EGTuna]

In a situation like last night when Ben R. did the fake-spike toss to the WR, both the OL and DL stood there. The OL may have done it on purpose, or they might not have known Ben and AB were going for the TD. If the DT or NT (depending on the scheme), assumes fake spike and bowls over the C or G, and nails the QB, does he get flagged for roughing the passer? If so, it seems there's no defense for the fake-spike.

 

[Jenky]

In a situation like last night when Ben R. did the fake-spike toss to the WR, both the OL and DL stood there. The OL may have done it on purpose, or they might not have known Ben and AB were going for the TD. If the DT or NT (depending on the scheme), assumes fake spike and bowls over the C or G, and nails the QB, does he get flagged for roughing the passer? If so, it seems there's no defense for the fake-spike.

In your scenario is the ball still in the QBs hand? No penalty.

Out of his hand and in the air? You can get called for personal foul just like on conventional plays.

 

[gimmesix]

In a situation like last night when Ben R. did the fake-spike toss to the WR, both the OL and DL stood there. The OL may have done it on purpose, or they might not have known Ben and AB were going for the TD. If the DT or NT (depending on the scheme), assumes fake spike and bowls over the C or G, and nails the QB, does he get flagged for roughing the passer? If so, it seems there's no defense for the fake-spike.

If he actually spiked the ball, then yes, roughing would be called. Possibly even unsportsmanlike conduct.

If he's holding the ball when the defender hits him, then there's no call unless he hits him in the head, low or with his helmet lowered. In other words, there's always a good chance a penalty will be called when it comes to hitting a quarterback.

 

[DFWJC]

I'm not so sure they should have done that anyway. It seemed they were going to score. It was first down on the 15 and plenty of time.
Good play, but in hind-site, they left us too much time when you include those 3 timeouts. Going for all the 2 point conversions locked them into having to get a TD though...could have milked it to 1 second and kicked the FG.

8-1 baby

 

[xwalker]

In a situation like last night when Ben R. did the fake-spike toss to the WR, both the OL and DL stood there. The OL may have done it on purpose, or they might not have known Ben and AB were going for the TD. If the DT or NT (depending on the scheme), assumes fake spike and bowls over the C or G, and nails the QB, does he get flagged for roughing the passer? If so, it seems there's no defense for the fake-spike.

Who was the coach a couple of years ago that had his defense go all out when the other team was kneeling down to run out the clock?

 

[EGTuna]

Who was the coach a couple of years ago that had his defense go all out when the other team was kneeling down to run out the clock?

That was Greg Schiano with TB.

Maybe if the DL just pushed the C or G into the QB as hard as they could. It just seems that the fake-spike is only defensible if the DB is paying attention. DL is in a lose/lose situation because almost all QBs can take the snap and spike it before a DL could get to them.

 

[remdak]

Who was the coach a couple of years ago that had his defense go all out when the other team was kneeling down to run out the clock?

Schiano from Tampa Bay

 

[aikemirv]

If he actually spiked the ball, then yes, roughing would be called. Possibly even unsportsmanlike conduct.

If he's holding the ball when the defender hits him, then there's no call unless he hits him in the head, low or with his helmet lowered. In other words, there's always a good chance a penalty will be called when it comes to hitting a quarterback.

I think the secret there would always to nail the Olineman back into the QB and you would never have a penalty called.

 

[dbonham]

How can any Cowboy fall for the fake spike again... just triple team the center and play hard every time

 

[csirl]

I think the secret there would always to nail the Olineman back into the QB and you would never have a penalty called.

Ive seen this happen in real life, albeit under NCAA rules rather than NFL. DT overheard the call. Got ejected for nailing the center.

I think the Steelers should have been penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct. What they did is potentially dangerous. Players get hurt when one side is playing at full bore and the other isnt - even when faking.

 

[Doomsay]

It was bougus, reeked of desperation and ultimately cost them the game while giving their dislikable fans a higher cliff to fall off in the end. It's kind of a **** you gesture, I'm glad it failed.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Matthew Stanford and Aaron Rodgers did the same type of trickery. Lol. Matthew did it to the Cowboys a couple of years ago

 

[1972COWBOY]

That play may be typical of the Steelers, remember when the coach interfered once with a play on the sideline with that look on his face trying to hide a grin.

 

[HoosierCowboy]

Cowboys did not fall for it--receiver was covered pretty well but just beat the CB, who was not fooled. Everyone else was just mirroring the opponent's effort.

 

[DandyDon52]

it seems there's no defense for the fake-spike.

you have to just play, until ref blows whistle , then the fake wont help, but dallas players just stood there.
now they know.

The key to that play is to fool the defense and it did.

 

[DandyDon52]

I will add pitt did a good job with that play, so kudo's to them on that.
Their fans should not be mad at them about that game, it was a good game by both teams.

 

[Meat-O-Rama]

That play is kind of a no-lose situation for Ben. It doesn't matter if the line knows he's faking or not. As long as he has one viable target, he's free to try to make the throw. If no receiver uns a route, he can chuck it into the ground or out of bounds. If a D Lineman busts through, same thing, with the added bonus of potentially drawing a roughing the passer.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

Cowboys did not fall for it--receiver was covered pretty well but just beat the CB, who was not fooled. Everyone else was just mirroring the opponent's effort.

Not sure why we would have a player we JUST got who hasn't exactly lit up the league was one on one with arguably the top WR in the game in single coverage with the game on the line. Anybody shed some light on that for me?

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I was mad that the refs didn't call a penalty since Pittsburgh wasn't set before snapping the ball

 

[8FOR!3]

I'm not so sure they should have done that anyway. It seemed they were going to score. It was first down on the 15 and plenty of time.
Good play, but in hind-site, they left us too much time when you include those 3 timeouts. Going for all the 2 point conversions locked them into having to get a TD though...could have milked it to 1 second and kicked the FG.

8-1 baby

True but you still don't pass up on the opportunity to score the touchdown right then and there because what if they don't fake it and we stop them 4 times? They lose regardless, but at least they gave their defense a chance. The play definitely tricked everybody, maybe except for the guy covering Antonio Brown who got burned anyways.