Spoke to my insider yesterday

[DandyDon52]

You are picking and choosing stats to make your case and you can't do that. If you want to compare yards and TD's you have to remember that Murray had 392 carries last year while DMC only had 239 this year. That puts your post in a much different perspective.

Murray and McF were actually very similar in the basic stats, in both receiving and running.
The only difference was Murray had 13 td's to McF 3 td's
Fans said McF would go for td's if he broke open, where murray was caught from behind, but as it turned out McF was also caught from
behind, and the both had 50 yd longest run.

I think Murray was better on 1st down runs , getting 5 yards or more on so many of them, and he was better on 3rd and short.

But I think the main difference was teams feared Murray way more than McF , which justified or not, helped the dallas offense.
The Rep he and the OL built in 2014 was worth more than stats, and that went out the door with Murray.

Murray took the rep with him to philly but chip had no idea how to take advantage of that or use Murray, so getting Murray
did not help him at all, and wound up getting him fired.

I am curious to see if the new HC and OC will know how to use Murray, if they dont,he wont do them any good either.
However if they do , he could help them a lot.

 

[kevm3]

If you look at stats, yeah, McFadden looked decent enough, but watching the games, it was clear Murray was the lynchpin of the offense that year, even ahead of dez. We definitely need to draft a new running back and have that rb split carries with McFadden. One thing Murray did was almost guarantee you a first down, which extended games and kept the defense off the field.

 

[zack]

It's not an apples to apples comparison with McFadden and Murray. McFadden never had a real QB threat and Dez Was never healthy. Comparing the two is pretty silly. I think we should take a RB in the draft, but not a high pick.

 

[jterrell]

Murray and McF were actually very similar in the basic stats, in both receiving and running.
The only difference was Murray had 13 td's to McF 3 td's
Fans said McF would go for td's if he broke open, where murray was caught from behind, but as it turned out McF was also caught from
behind, and the both had 50 yd longest run.

I think Murray was better on 1st down runs , getting 5 yards or more on so many of them, and he was better on 3rd and short.

But I think the main difference was teams feared Murray way more than McF , which justified or not, helped the dallas offense.
The Rep he and the OL built in 2014 was worth more than stats, and that went out the door with Murray.

Murray took the rep with him to philly but chip had no idea how to take advantage of that or use Murray, so getting Murray
did not help him at all, and wound up getting him fired.

I am curious to see if the new HC and OC will know how to use Murray, if they dont,he wont do them any good either.
However if they do , he could help them a lot.

This "threat" thing is really goofy man.
REALLY goofy.

Teams has 8 or 9 in the box for every DMC start.

It wasn't that DMC was less of a threat than Murray but defenses didn't fear us scoring because we had no QB.
Weeden played checkdown ball. Cassel tossed picks and Moore couldn't throw it more than 30 yards.
There was zero reaosn to feel threatend by this Dallas offense.

But defenses showed the run game plenty of respect and attacked us with 8 or 9 every play under 10 yards to go.

DMC was not caught from behind. His speed in the open field is subtantially better than Murray's but we never took safeties out of run support because we lacked at QB and WR.

For most of the year we ranked bottom 5 in passing. Asking to run against that type of defense means you only have 1 option. Adrian Peterson.
We can all agree DMC is not that.
But anyone suggesting DeMarco Murray would have come close to his 2014 season last year is simply crazy.
He had everything go right in 2014 and produced an extreme outlier of a season.

 

[jterrell]

If you look at stats, yeah, McFadden looked decent enough, but watching the games, it was clear Murray was the lynchpin of the offense that year, even ahead of dez. We definitely need to draft a new running back and have that rb split carries with McFadden. One thing Murray did was almost guarantee you a first down, which extended games and kept the defense off the field.

Tony Romo guaranteed you first downs. The one game Tony missed in 2014 we lost and were very poor on offense.

 

[Craig]

Murray and McF were actually very similar in the basic stats, in both receiving and running.
The only difference was Murray had 13 td's to McF 3 td's
Fans said McF would go for td's if he broke open, where murray was caught from behind, but as it turned out McF was also caught from
behind, and the both had 50 yd longest run.

I think Murray was better on 1st down runs , getting 5 yards or more on so many of them, and he was better on 3rd and short.

But I think the main difference was teams feared Murray way more than McF , which justified or not, helped the dallas offense.
The Rep he and the OL built in 2014 was worth more than stats, and that went out the door with Murray.

Murray took the rep with him to philly but chip had no idea how to take advantage of that or use Murray, so getting Murray
did not help him at all, and wound up getting him fired.

I am curious to see if the new HC and OC will know how to use Murray, if they dont,he wont do them any good either.
However if they do , he could help them a lot.

The main difference was that there was no stretching of the defense. They played tight, knowing that even a pass wasnt going to go very far down the field. Its astonishing that you cant understand that.

 

[RS12]

The main difference was that there was no stretching of the defense. They played tight, knowing that even a pass wasnt going to go very far down the field. Its astonishing that you cant understand that.

Thirty one other D Coordinators notice that too. When the field shrinks defending them becomes simple. Its no different than spacing in basketball.

 

[punchnjudy]

I don't follow Saturday football but the negative I keep reading about wentz is staring down receivers. If that's accurate then that makes me nervous, especially if dallas might have to trade up. We just had a couple of qb's with that same flaw.

 

[CashMan]

I don't follow Saturday football but the negative I keep reading about wentz is staring down receivers. If that's accurate then that makes me nervous, especially if dallas might have to trade up. We just had a couple of qb's with that same flaw.

Yeah, that is jay cutler's problem.

 

[big dog cowboy]

especially if dallas might have to trade up.

We are not trading up for anyone.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

This "threat" thing is really goofy man.
REALLY goofy.

Agreed.

I hear/read stuff like "threat" and I roll my eyes because the person doling out that line knows that point can't be quantified in any way... And it may possibly mean nothing at all.

Reminds me of the Bob Knight "Game Face" piece...

 

[YosemiteSam]

We are not trading up for anyone.

Objection! Speculation!

 

[Blast From The Past]

I spoke to my insider yesterday also. He told me to get the hell out of there.

Was it the liquor store guy by chance???

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I never said WHEN they should draft a RB. It sounds like the FO thinks we're set with a guy known for being injured all the time. We need a RB in this draft.

we need a lot of things. so where do we rank our current players, our needs and the players in the draft. it depends on how the draft plays out. after the top pick where anyone WR, CB, QB or DT would be a justifiable pick, the rest is BPA. to draft a player, because we think we have a need to satisfy the fan base!!! makes no sense.

if we have to draft a RB, then we have to draft a DT, we have to draft a QB, we have to draft a MLB. we have to draft a CB, we have to draft a safety, we have to draft a WR, we have to draft a TE, we have to draft an OLB. so what do we do? I think the current players on the roster are all weaker in those positions than RBs on the roster.

 

[Junglist]

we need a lot of things. so where do we rank our current players, our needs and the players in the draft. it depends on how the draft plays out. after the top pick where anyone WR, CB, QB or DT would be a justifiable pick, the rest is BPA. to draft a player, because we think we have a need to satisfy the fan base!!! makes no sense.

if we have to draft a RB, then we have to draft a DT, we have to draft a QB, we have to draft a MLB. we have to draft a CB, we have to draft a safety, we have to draft a WR, we have to draft a TE, we have to draft an OLB. so what do we do? I think the current players on the roster are all weaker in those positions than RBs on the roster.

Ok, bud.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

we need a lot of things. so where do we rank our current players, our needs and the players in the draft. it depends on how the draft plays out. after the top pick where anyone WR, CB, QB or DT would be a justifiable pick, the rest is BPA. to draft a player, because we think we have a need to satisfy the fan base!!! makes no sense.

if we have to draft a RB, then we have to draft a DT, we have to draft a QB, we have to draft a MLB. we have to draft a CB, we have to draft a safety, we have to draft a WR, we have to draft a TE, we have to draft an OLB. so what do we do? I think the current players on the roster are all weaker in those positions than RBs on the roster.

If you're going to rank needs, then you also have to rank how easy/cheap is it to fill that need via free agency?

Typically RB's are very affordable from a free agency point-of-view... QB's... well we know you aren't going to get a good QB via free agency. MLBers and safeties are more of a bargain in free agency than are capable corners. Good DT's are expensive in free agency.

If you're drafting based on need and the ability to find a comparable player via free agency then yeah RB is definitely down list when it comes to drafting.

 

[Direwolf63]

Romo is 36 years old and his body is starting to fail him, despite what he and Jerry says.
The executive have to think about this team long term, not just 2016.
They have the #4 pick. Likely the best opportunity to get a franchise QB before Romo is done. Jerry has seen what happens when your franchise QB is forced to retire before you have his replacement ready. He does not want a repeat of the Carter/Banks/Hutchinson/Henson years.
The QB position is not only the most important position in football, but in all of sports. If you don't have the right guy, you won't win, period.
If your scouts and personnel guys and your coaches tell you Wentz can be that next guy, it would be pure negligence for Jerry/Stephen to not do whatever it takes to get him.

To me, this is common sense. #4 is where you get you franchise guy that can last until 2030. This will be the best opportunity to get him. This team cannot pass it up.

 

[FiveTime]

let me preface this by saying I'm only sharing this with the board because there are certain members who requested I pass this along. Feel free to believe what I'm telling you, ridicule what I tell you, doubt the legitimacy of what I'm telling you or anything else. Doesn't matter to me as I don't gain squat for this.

The office I work at has a contractor who works on a certain project for our company but is also a member of the Cowboys staff.

So I Spoke to my guy. Asked him why I hadn't seen him in so long and he said his project for our company is about done.
He'll be around every once in awhile to check things out but not nearly as much as before. So that sucks.

Anyway I asked him about the draft, and like before he said he can't go into too much detail, but said we LOVE Wentz. Said we believe he's the real deal and that we've been watching him for some time hoping he wouldn't blow up the way he has. Said he didn't mind sharing this info because it's already out in the media.

Said Jerry really wants Tony to win but understands he's only 1 hit away from us being completely stuck w no QB. So the possibility of us going QB w the first pick is VERY real.

I asked if we'd trade back and he said that's possible if we don't get Wentz. I personally prefer to trade back and asked him what he thought, and he said "it don't matter what I think I'm telling you what THEY want" lol. And said they want Wentz, period. He also said the scouts get paid to know what they're talking about and that they say Wentz can make the throws has the size and ability they want. Said the scouts really like him a lot and he does too. More than Goff and more than Lynch.

I Asked about Hardy and he said it's complicated because Rod knows he's an exceptional talent but his attitude just sucks. He's been telling me this all year. Said reports about him being out of shape aren't really true, he was in shape, just late all of the time and just "did his own thing".

Asked about RB and he says they believe in DMC and expect him to be the guy for another year and draft RB next year.

Asked about 1 tech and he said Hayden needs to be coming off the bench but they aren't focused on a 1 tech specifically. Said they want big athletes that can move. I argued that we should get a huge 1 tech that can get some push and he said "again they want big athletes, period"
Says they are set in their ways and that's it.

Overall he was kinda cranky and I suspect it was because he wanted to go to the senior bowl but they didn't bring him. I wanted to talk to him more but he was on his way to "other projects" so he had to run. Wish I could've got more questions in, but I wanted to pass this along.

I know the Wentz fanatics on the board will probably appreciate this.

Hey Nero, did you clear this with Jax before posting? ;-) Jk, thanks for sharing...very interesting to hear this.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Like Drew Henson over Tom Brady

The strategy isn't fool proof. It can backfire.

 

[Picksix]

If you look at stats, yeah, McFadden looked decent enough, but watching the games, it was clear Murray was the lynchpin of the offense that year, even ahead of dez. We definitely need to draft a new running back and have that rb split carries with McFadden. One thing Murray did was almost guarantee you a first down, which extended games and kept the defense off the field.

You can't really say that, because we went the majority of the season without Romo or Dez. I think they all worked well together. When Romo went out, albeit for a short time, Murray didn't really do anything. I'm not saying McFadden would have been this year what Murray was last year, but you can't really compare the two, because other factors were significantly different between the two seasons.