SportsdayDFW.com: Bob Sturm: Patrick Peterson one the Cowboys might get antsy for

[TellerMorrow34]

If Peterson fell to 6 I could see them making a move for him. I wouldn't be upset if they did either. I'd love to have him playing corner for us.

 

[BAT]

Peterson would be sweet, but I would rather have Fairley, all things being equal. He is a blue chip impact player who plays closer to the ball.

The game is won in the trenches.

 

[28 Joker]

This all comes down to philosophy of how to build your team. I'm sure Jerry Jones is tired of paying a mint for players who produce diminishing returns like Leonard Davis or Marco Rivera. Tyson Clabo will play at 30 this year, and he is nothing special for sure. The offensive tackle class in free agency is very weak. So, I wouldn't count on that. Dallas has big safety issues and has Free and DL to look at in free agency. You would most likely get Colombo again or another scrub like Sam Young or another scrub like Marcus Gilbert.

Now, Peterson is most likely Dallas' highest rated player, but I think trading up for a "super" CB and claiming a draft victory ("I got the "highest rated" player on my board") would be about the only real "victory" that the Cowboys would experience in 2011, imso.

I for sure think that they would pay a heavy price on the field, because I have seen the Cowboys offensive line crumble in two divisional playoff games and throw a bye away on the goal-line against the Chargers in 2009. I saw what happened, in 2008, when an average player like Kosier gets hurt. Plus, I saw the significant deterioration (in the offensive line) last year across the board.

I was calling for Colombo to get the boot after the 2009 divisional debacle. Why is he still here? He's here, because Dallas didn't turn in the card with Phil Loadholt's name on it. What a draft day debacle and disaster of a draft. 12 players taken and not one on the defensive line, and 1 small school project on the offensive line, who actually cleared waivers and is on the practice squad. 7 of those 12 players were defensive players, by the way.

They way over rated Colombo in comparison to Loadholt. Plus, Doug Free isn't the player that Flozell Adams was, not even close. Free is not going to be an elite NFL LT, imso. Again, Free is barely above average (according to PFF) when it comes to pass blocking, a LT's most important job.

I think Peterson is a terrific player, but again, championships are won up front. Peterson may get his pro bowls, but it could very well be the beginning of the end of the Tony Romo era. He will play at 31 this year, and he can't keep taking the beatings that he took in 2008 and 2010. He will not last. Of all teams, the Cowboys should know this. The short yardage run blocking or goal-line run blocking is enough to keep this team from ever getting to an NFC Championship Game, alone.

The Cowboys have the skill players on offense to win the Super Bowl, but they have an old, deteriorated offensive line that will land them in third place inside their own division.

They have a barely above average pass blocker at LT (who will play at 27), a soon to be 33 year old LG (who is coming off a very significant drop off in his play, especially his run blocking, which was below average and a big negative for him), a 33 year old above average center (still best in the NFC IMO/ who saw a big drop off in his run blocking), an average player in the 33 year old Leonard Davis (who saw his overall play deteriorate significantly like Kosier), and the absolute worst OT in the NFL in Mark Colombo, who should have been replaced in the 2009 draft, anyway.

When your average age in the offensive line will be 33 in November, you have big time problems. We are not talking about players like Larry Allen or Nate Newton or Erik Williams.

If people are not concerned with the significant deterioration in the run blocking, they are fooling themselves. You will see all the Tony Romos if he has to pass the football over 34 times per game. That will not be pretty. Plus, the line will not hold up in pass protection. Raise your hands if you enjoyed the Vikings game last year. This team was 1-4, with Romo, going into the first Giants game.

Good luck making it to the playoffs next year.

Patrick Peterson may be like the glamorous "hot blonde" to some in the Cowboys organization, but she isn't the girl to build a strong foundation with. She doesn't make you stronger where it counts.

Tyron Smith may not be the "sexy" pick to some, but he is like the girl who doesn't need any makeup to look hot. That is the player that makes you better and stronger as a football team in the short run and long run.

An investment in a 20 year old, blue chip OT like Tyron Smith, is just like making a significant deposit in the banks of Romo, Jones, Witten, Austin, and Bryant. Smith puts your great skill players in a significantly better position to be successful. Those are the players that will ultimately decide Dallas' fate, not the defense. Smith is a blue chip, cornerstone player within the offensive line for the next 12 years, and the Cowboys should be desperate to get a player like this. They don't come around too often, and you have to be in a position to get one.

The Cowboys will go no where fast with their old, deteriorated interior and a barely average pass blocking LT and (gulp) Colombo at RT or some other scrub. There is no depth, either. That should alarm you. If Free goes down, is Sam Young going to LT? If Gurode goes down, are you feeling good about playing Phil Costa between two 33 year old average players, coming off significant drop offs in their play? I'm not.

I've heard the offensive points argument and offensive ranking argument to defend drafting yet another defensive player in the first round. People who argue this, always fail to mention the multiple interceptions returned for TDs, the turnovers in the second half of the season that led to points and field position, and the points or field position that the special teams contributed in the return games. How many first rounders are the Cowboys going to put on the defense? How about going out and finding the next Chris Canty in the 3rd or 4th round and drafting a quality CB in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round. Plus, you can draft another CB high next year if need be.

They don't remember the Bears and Packers dominating Dallas' offensive line. They don't remember the Cowboys being unable to run block the Eagles in Dallas. They don't remember the Cowboys being unable to run block the Giants in Dallas, a game that they could have won, but they were forced to pass in the redzone and couldn't get the points. I could go on and on about the very poor run blocking in 2010...They seem to be pretty much seduced by the passing game and think that Dallas can just pass, pass, pass, pass...Yet, Dallas' pass protection was average last year, and the line will be one year older, with four players past 31.

The Jets have the best offensive line in football and have played in two straight AFC Championship Games, and they drafted a player named D'Brickashaw Ferguson, who Tyron Smith has been compared with, and a center named Nick Mangold in the same draft. They have obvious holes on defense, and their offensive line has helped negate some of the sins on their defense. They don't have DeMarcus Ware, Jay Ratliff, or Anthony Spencer on their front. Dallas had two CBs in the Pro Bowl in 2009, too.

The Cowboys would be wise to look at the Jets template. Dallas should absolutely draft Tyron Smith at number 9 and Stefan Wisniewski at 40 and follow the Jets success in the offensive line. Those wouldn't be the only offensive linemen that I would draft, either. However, Smith would be the cornerstone and Wisniewski would be a big boulder. One will play at 20, and one will play at 22.

Peterson should be the highest rated player on the Bengals board, because they use a scouting service and usually take the best player. Jonathan Joseph is set to be unrestriced, and Hall is up after this year, so I hope they draft Peterson at 4. The Cowboys will be better off as a team, especially on offense. QB could spoil it. Lombardi thinks Peterson will be the highest rated player left on their board when they come up to pick. It is just his opinion.

 

[DeaconBlues]

:signmast:

Gotta fix the OL. I like Peterson, but not at the expense of hoping the line is decent for one more year.

 

[burmafrd]

Before Smith showed up at the Combine at 307, I was hoping we would trade down and get more picks and get one of the other tackles around 15 or so. If Smith performs at his pro day like most expect, he becomes a top 10 pick and we have to take him at 9.

Peterson just does not look to me like a shut down corner; he is just too big. small WRs like Jackson will eat his lunch; he would not be able to match their quickness. And more and more I doubt he can get to the pro bowl at Safety.

What really worries me now is that someone might grab Smith before we do and there we are at 9 with everyone worth getting gone. And no one wants to trade down.

 

[burmafrd]

The biggest weakness on this whole team is the right side of the O line and FS. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. Now there really is no one in the draft that looks really great at FS. certainly no one worth taking in the first and probably not even the second rds. So that leaves O line. We MUST get a tackle high that can step in at RT. Just drafting a guy that we THINK can only play RT is asking for a bust. So we have to get a guy we THINK can play both tackles.

 

[Woods]

Before Smith showed up at the Combine at 307, I was hoping we would trade down and get more picks and get one of the other tackles around 15 or so. If Smith performs at his pro day like most expect, he becomes a top 10 pick and we have to take him at 9.

Peterson just does not look to me like a shut down corner; he is just too big. small WRs like Jackson will eat his lunch; he would not be able to match their quickness. And more and more I doubt he can get to the pro bowl at Safety.

What really worries me now is that someone might grab Smith before we do and there we are at 9 with everyone worth getting gone. And no one wants to trade down.

If Smith is gone by 9, that probably means that a guy like Fairley has dropped.

I think Peterson, Darius, Gabbert, Miller definitely go in the top 8 picks.

It's likely that at least 1 WR goes as well, along with C Newton (as someone will want to trade up for him).

That leaves Smith, Prince, Bowers and Fairley. There's a good chance that SF takes a CB.

I'm not sure which direction the Titans go (assuming Newton is gone). Probably DL. But maybe they trade down as they need a QB? We need Bowers to be healthy as he could be a top 8 pick as well.

 

[CCBoy]

Peterson is being tounted in the sare area that Roy Williams and Terrence Newman received attention in the draft. In their beginnings, both were strong. To Newman's credit, he is a hard worker and has been strong up to his injury marred last season. I think Peterson will be fine, and a little size may make his hand checks along the line of scrimmage more effective. That will give HIM the advantages against the smaller/quicker receivers. Speed doesn't do any good if you just don't get off the line of scrimmage box area..ask the Jets how their top corner remains on top. It's the power of his hand checks early on. And Peterson does run very well additionally.

 

[BAT]

This all comes down to philosophy of how to build your team. I'm sure Jerry Jones is tired of paying a mint for players who produce diminishing returns like Leonard Davis or Marco Rivera. Tyson Clabo will play at 30 this year, and he is nothing special for sure. The offensive tackle class in free agency is very weak. So, I wouldn't count on that. Dallas has big safety issues and has Free and DL to look at in free agency. You would most likely get Colombo again or another scrub like Sam Young or another scrub like Marcus Gilbert.

Now, Peterson is most likely Dallas' highest rated player, but I think trading up for a "super" CB and claiming a draft victory ("I got the "highest rated" player on my board") would be about the only real "victory" that the Cowboys would experience in 2011, imso.

I for sure think that they would pay a heavy price on the field, because I have seen the Cowboys offensive line crumble in two divisional playoff games and throw a bye away on the goal-line against the Chargers in 2009. I saw what happened, in 2008, when an average player like Kosier gets hurt. Plus, I saw the significant deterioration (in the offensive line) last year across the board.

I was calling for Colombo to get the boot after the 2009 divisional debacle. Why is he still here? He's here, because Dallas didn't turn in the card with Phil Loadholt's name on it. What a draft day debacle and disaster of a draft. 12 players taken and not one on the defensive line, and 1 small school project on the offensive line, who actually cleared waivers and is on the practice squad. 7 of those 12 players were defensive players, by the way.

They way over rated Colombo in comparison to Loadholt. Plus, Doug Free isn't the player that Flozell Adams was, not even close. Free is not going to be an elite NFL LT, imso. Again, Free is barely above average (according to PFF) when it comes to pass blocking, a LT's most important job.

I think Peterson is a terrific player, but again, championships are won up front. Peterson may get his pro bowls, but it could very well be the beginning of the end of the Tony Romo era. He will play at 31 this year, and he can't keep taking the beatings that he took in 2008 and 2010. He will not last. Of all teams, the Cowboys should know this. The short yardage run blocking or goal-line run blocking is enough to keep this team from ever getting to an NFC Championship Game, alone.

The Cowboys have the skill players on offense to win the Super Bowl, but they have an old, deteriorated offensive line that will land them in third place inside their own division.

They have a barely above average pass blocker at LT (who will play at 27), a soon to be 33 year old LG (who is coming off a very significant drop off in his play, especially his run blocking, which was below average and a big negative for him), a 33 year old above average center (still best in the NFC IMO/ who saw a big drop off in his run blocking), an average player in the 33 year old Leonard Davis (who saw his overall play deteriorate significantly like Kosier), and the absolute worst OT in the NFL in Mark Colombo, who should have been replaced in the 2009 draft, anyway.

When your average age in the offensive line will be 33 in November, you have big time problems. We are not talking about players like Larry Allen or Nate Newton or Erik Williams.

If people are not concerned with the significant deterioration in the run blocking, they are fooling themselves. You will see all the Tony Romos if he has to pass the football over 34 times per game. That will not be pretty. Plus, the line will not hold up in pass protection. Raise your hands if you enjoyed the Vikings game last year. This team was 1-4, with Romo, going into the first Giants game.

Good luck making it to the playoffs next year.

Patrick Peterson may be like the glamorous "hot blonde" to some in the Cowboys organization, but she isn't the girl to build a strong foundation with. She doesn't make you stronger where it counts.

Tyron Smith may not be the "sexy" pick to some, but he is like the girl who doesn't need any makeup to look hot. That is the player that makes you better and stronger as a football team in the short run and long run.

An investment in a 20 year old, blue chip OT like Tyron Smith, is just like making a significant deposit in the banks of Romo, Jones, Witten, Austin, and Bryant. Smith puts your great skill players in a significantly better position to be successful. Those are the players that will ultimately decide Dallas' fate, not the defense. Smith is a blue chip, cornerstone player within the offensive line for the next 12 years, and the Cowboys should be desperate to get a player like this. They don't come around too often, and you have to be in a position to get one.

The Cowboys will go no where fast with their old, deteriorated interior and a barely average pass blocking LT and (gulp) Colombo at RT or some other scrub. There is no depth, either. That should alarm you. If Free goes down, is Sam Young going to LT? If Gurode goes down, are you feeling good about playing Phil Costa between two 33 year old average players, coming off significant drop offs in their play? I'm not.

I've heard the offensive points argument and offensive ranking argument to defend drafting yet another defensive player in the first round. People who argue this, always fail to mention the multiple interceptions returned for TDs, the turnovers in the second half of the season that led to points and field position, and the points or field position that the special teams contributed in the return games. How many first rounders are the Cowboys going to put on the defense? How about going out and finding the next Chris Canty in the 3rd or 4th round and drafting a quality CB in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round. Plus, you can draft another CB high next year if need be.

They don't remember the Bears and Packers dominating Dallas' offensive line. They don't remember the Cowboys being unable to run block the Eagles in Dallas. They don't remember the Cowboys being unable to run block the Giants in Dallas, a game that they could have won, but they were forced to pass in the redzone and couldn't get the points. I could go on and on about the very poor run blocking in 2010...They seem to be pretty much seduced by the passing game and think that Dallas can just pass, pass, pass, pass...Yet, Dallas' pass protection was average last year, and the line will be one year older, with four players past 31.

The Jets have the best offensive line in football and have played in two straight AFC Championship Games, and they drafted a player named D'Brickashaw Ferguson, who Tyron Smith has been compared with, and a center named Nick Mangold in the same draft. They have obvious holes on defense, and their offensive line has helped negate some of the sins on their defense. They don't have DeMarcus Ware, Jay Ratliff, or Anthony Spencer on their front. Dallas had two CBs in the Pro Bowl in 2009, too.

The Cowboys would be wise to look at the Jets template. Dallas should absolutely draft Tyron Smith at number 9 and Stefan Wisniewski at 40 and follow the Jets success in the offensive line. Those wouldn't be the only offensive linemen that I would draft, either. However, Smith would be the cornerstone and Wisniewski would be a big boulder. One will play at 20, and one will play at 22.

Peterson should be the highest rated player on the Bengals board, because they use a scouting service and usually take the best player. Jonathan Joseph is set to be unrestriced, and Hall is up after this year, so I hope they draft Peterson at 4. The Cowboys will be better off as a team, especially on offense. QB could spoil it. Lombardi thinks Peterson will be the highest rated player left on their board when they come up to pick. It is just his opinion.

41gy, you may know something about TSmith that many of us don't but c'mon, "cornerstone"? Tyron Smith's greatest asset is his upside - and upside alone does not make one a cornerstone player. Being compared to D'Brickshaw Ferguson does not make him D'Brickshaw Ferguson. What makes Smith so special? His wingspan? His muscles? It's definitely not his footwork. He is good to above average run & pass blocker. Potentially very good. But where does he just dominate?

This is a mediocre OL draft, especially at OT. Prior to the combine, based on game film only, there was no OL projected as a top 10 pick (blue chip talent). The best, most productive OT is a pure RT. And his name is not Tyron Smith.

This Tyron Smith obsession (and Wisniewski to some extent) reminds me of the clamor to draft Duke Robinson with the first pick last year. There were some fanatics even on this board who swore up and down that Robinson was the be all and end all for the OL. Thank goodness we passed, because we all know what happened to Robinson. Not saying this will happen with Smith, but Robinson was much more dominant in college.

 

[perrykemp]

Give me one Patrick Peterson and 5 warm body draft picks over 7 warm body draft picks.

That's me.

One knee injury to Peterson in that scenario and you've damaged the team horribly -- nothing to show for an entire draft.

 

[Stash]

One knee injury to Peterson in that scenario and you've damaged the team horribly -- nothing to show for an entire draft.

What does the team have to show for all the picks they used in the 2009 draft?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Funny how the 2009 draft is always used as an example of how bad trading back is, when in effect we used a first and third to "trade up" for not just a college kid, but a "proven" NFL player in Roy Williams.

It's like everyone forgets that it's hard to have a good draft when you flush not just a first rounder, but another top-100 pick as well.

 

[burmafrd]

Peterson is being tounted in the sare area that Roy Williams and Terrence Newman received attention in the draft. In their beginnings, both were strong. To Newman's credit, he is a hard worker and has been strong up to his injury marred last season. I think Peterson will be fine, and a little size may make his hand checks along the line of scrimmage more effective. That will give HIM the advantages against the smaller/quicker receivers. Speed doesn't do any good if you just don't get off the line of scrimmage box area..ask the Jets how their top corner remains on top. It's the power of his hand checks early on. And Peterson does run very well additionally.

Still there is a lot more to playing CB then hand checks. There is a very good reason you do not find any CBs like Peterson in the NFL. Woodson is probably the closest in size but Peterson seems like 220 is where he has to stay and that will count aginst the most agile of WRs. I just do not see him as a Pro Bowl year in and year out CB. Too much against him. Maybe be could be a top FS but how can anyone really say that? I think there is too much history against him to pick him at top 10, let alone trade up for him.

 

[burmafrd]

41gy, you may know something about TSmith that many of us don't but c'mon, "cornerstone"? Tyron Smith's greatest asset is his upside - and upside alone does not make one a cornerstone player. Being compared to D'Brickshaw Ferguson does not make him D'Brickshaw Ferguson. What makes Smith so special? His wingspan? His muscles? It's definitely not his footwork. He is good to above average run & pass blocker. Potentially very good. But where does he just dominate?

This is a mediocre OL draft, especially at OT. Prior to the combine, based on game film only, there was no OL projected as a top 10 pick (blue chip talent). The best, most productive OT is a pure RT. And his name is not Tyron Smith.

This Tyron Smith obsession (and Wisniewski to some extent) reminds me of the clamor to draft Duke Robinson with the first pick last year. There were some fanatics even on this board who swore up and down that Robinson was the be all and end all for the OL. Thank goodness we passed, because we all know what happened to Robinson. Not saying this will happen with Smith, but Robinson was much more dominant in college.

Smith is nothing like robinson. And frankly being dominant in college quite often means nothing in the NFL. ANd I have seen little that shows that Peterson has dominated in college.

 

[TwoDeep3]

The way to win in the NFL above any other method is to Draft impact players when the opportunity is there. That is why we moved up to get Dez. This kid is on the same plane as Dez, but the other side of the LOS. He is a difference maker. Get enough of them, you win. Simple formula that has always worked.

Give me one Patrick Peterson and 5 warm body draft picks over 7 warm body draft picks.

That's me.

Trading down never makes sense to me.

This comment by Hos is the epitomy of what football is about. You win with playmakers.

This guy will be a difference maker.

 

[JBond]

Bob Sturm: Patrick Peterson one the Cowboys might get antsy for in draft
By SportsDayDFW.com


http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b8F74


If Nick Fairly does slide due to his Haynesworth like symptoms, will the Cowboys take a flier on him the same way they did with Dez?...

Yes in a heart beat! If the over all number one 6 weeks ago slides to us, you better grab him.

 

[BlueStar II]

I think if Peterson falls to 6 (unlikely) that the Cowboys will make a move for him.

:starspin I agree that if Peterson falls to 6, the Cowboys will make a move for him, but frankly, I will be surprised if he's still there at 6.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

People keep bringing up that 2009 draft but that draft was WEAK. This one? Not so much.

I'm for getting Peterson. I'm for trading up to get him. But I just think the cost is too much. The highest i'm willing to go is a 3rd rounder. I think to trade it may take a 2nd rounder. I'm even willing to trade our 1st this year and a 2nd next year if that is what it would take. But I don't think teams will bite.

 

[BAT]

Smith is nothing like robinson. And frankly being dominant in college quite often means nothing in the NFL. ANd I have seen little that shows that Peterson has dominated in college.

Agreed, Smith is nothing like Robinson. Robinson was truly dominant at his position, there was no better run blocking OL when he played. He was also pretty good at pass blocking. You are not a 2 time All-American based on potential. Robinson was also voted to SI's all decade team. Again, Smith does not compare to Robinson, especially in terms of accomplishments.

Being dominant at any level is better than NOT being dominant. Not sure how you can spin that into a negative.

Did not mention Peterson. While I like Peterson he's certainly not my first choice. But at least Peterson has always been considered the best at his position, based on his play. His measurables are only the cherry on the sundae.

 

[AbeBeta]

I wouldn't give up anything more than 4th+ round pick to trade up. There is talent to be had in the top three rounds and holes to fill.

A fourth would move us up a single spot - so the only scenario we use a 4th is if Peterson is at 8 and the team at 8 calls us b/c there is another deal in place

Mostly likely scenario is using our 2nd if Peterson hits 4.