SS Roy Williams in '08

[Rampage]

but as long as it was remotely possible, i heard you every chance you could get.

roy isn't going anywhere. no journalist is going to write a grandnugget that will get rid of him and no matter how much the bashers punish the masses in here, he won't go anywhere.

i just wish the bashing would take a break for awhile and find something else to whine about.

he's gone after this season.

 

[firehawk350]

As a skins fan, obviously, I never want to admit when a Cowboys player is good. But let me just answer this question for you...

There is, I've noticed, in each "fandom" many mini-fandoms in that. Some are endorsed by all (Newman, Ware and Romo) and some are hated by all (Spears and Carpenter come to mind immediately). However, a good majority of these mini-fandoms are just like their larger franchise fandoms (I'm really beginning to hate the word, I just can't think of a better one, so fandom = FD) in that you have the diehards who make up a small portion of the general populace. They will back the players until they are off the team, and maybe even further (AdamJT13 comes immediately to mind when I think of Roy). There are others who are firmly against the players and would take a LOT of convincing (that frankly will never happen) to get them to admit they are a good player. A good majority though are the bandwagon fans, they are with the players when they are hot, and against them when they are cold.

However, the debate isn't going away. If he has a horrible season, there will be excuses. If he has a great season, there will be excuses because there are just too many ways to view the same play and, as AdamJT13 points out, we never really know what's supposed to be happening in the secondary. You will probably get everyone saying yes, we will admit we were wrong and you were right, but in the end, there is a small chance that Roy Williams will ever acheive a season where nobody can say he wasn't a stellar player.

 

[DallasEast]

he's gone after this season.

Look. I'll pay you for the Powerball numbers. Don't make me beg.

 

[Rampage]

Look. I'll pay you for the Powerball numbers. Don't make me beg.

i want 50% of your winnings or no deal.

 

[DallasEast]

But let me just answer this thread's question for you...

Fixed and still waiting...

 

[DallasEast]

i want 50% of your winnings or no deal.

30% and a lifetime subscription of Marvin Harrison's monthly magazine, "My Gun. Who Knew?" Deal?

 

[dcfanatic]

All I want from him is that he come out and make an impact on the game.

He's being paid to cause fumbles, make big hits and be a demonstrative defender while on the field. For the last two seasons we really haven't seen all that much from him resembling these things.

In simple terms. While I am watching the game I want to yell out a few times, 'That's Roy Williams mother****er!' because of a big play he made.

I don't want to yell out, 'Come on Roy, get your **** together or get on the bench' because he misses a tackle or because he allows an easy TD to some TE.

I would even go so far as to say that if I get just as many of the former as I do of the latter then I can live with it. The problem is that over the past two seasons I think the scales have tipped in the latter's favor.

 

[DallasEast]

All I want from him is that he come out and make an impact on the game.

He couldn't make a bigger impact than playing a great season.

Just saying.

 

[firehawk350]

Fixed and still waiting...

Still too much room for wiggle. Way too hard to define a great season and too many factors to consider... Maybe a more defined statistical benchmark would net clearer results. I would ask the question, what would Roy Williams have to do (ie what stats would he have to post) that would vindicate him in your eyes?

 

[iceberg]

Still too much room for wiggle. Way too hard to define a great season and too many factors to consider... Maybe a more defined statistical benchmark would net clearer results. I would ask the question, what would Roy Williams have to do (ie what stats would he have to post) that would vindicate him in your eyes?

i think you're asking a general question and not necessarily to DE. but, after all the WAH WAH WAH around the topic, sometimes a good question breaks through. skins fan huh? you must be one of the few good ones. : )

to me - simply show heart. focus on no more horse collars and put some intensity back into his game.

blowing up 1 player a month wouldn't hurt. well, it would the player and maybe roy, but....

we know he's not good in coverage, or at least that's not his strong point, so coming in to whine about it is pretty useless. but everytime our D gives up a TD and roy is in the picture, there will be bashing saying ROY did it.

but yea, good question. me - just show some heart and desire to be out there and i think the rest will come.

 

[Rampage]

i think you're asking a general question and not necessarily to DE. but, after all the WAH WAH WAH around the topic, sometimes a good question breaks through. skins fan huh? you must be one of the few good ones. : )

to me - simply show heart. focus on no more horse collars and put some intensity back into his game.

blowing up 1 player a month wouldn't hurt. well, it would the player and maybe roy, but....

we know he's not good in coverage, or at least that's not his strong point, so coming in to whine about it is pretty useless. but everytime our D gives up a TD and roy is in the picture, there will be bashing saying ROY did it.

but yea, good question. me - just show some heart and desire to be out there and i think the rest will come.

that was basically the same thing i said but you threw out that McFadden comment. what gives?

 

[gbrittain]

There are many opinions about how good, bad or average Roy Williams has been throughout his Cowboys career. This has been repeatedly discussed, but what if Williams had a great '08 season? Neither bad, average nor good, but a great, no-question-about-it, acknowledged-by-all, season playing strong safety.

In your opinion, would he finally vindicate himself as being a very good player despite how you viewed his past level of play (i.e. some were right about him all along and some have been equally wrong about him)? Or would you see his great season as solely being a by-product of Wade Phillips' scheme (i.e. Roy = system player whose talent didn't directly contribute to his great play in '08)? Or would you look upon his great season as pure luck (i.e. Roy = blind squirrel gets nut, yada yada yada)?

Yes, I think he would be vindicated completely IMO. A great season, will be his own doing and not some other outside circumstance.

I would be firmly back on the RW bandwagon, but he does need to have a great bounce back year. He and Dallas need it badly.

 

[iceberg]

that was basically the same thing i said but you threw out that McFadden comment. what gives?

nothing. the question was what is enough for me to be glad he's around next year.

that's it for me. while i agree you said he didn't have that i have no idea if simply that would be enough for you. i was answering a different question both times.

once that target is on ya, you can't shake it to some. roy could have a valid all pro year and there will still be the ROY SUCKS crowd. it's gone that deep now.

 

[firehawk350]

i think you're asking a general question and not necessarily to DE. but, after all the WAH WAH WAH around the topic, sometimes a good question breaks through. skins fan huh? you must be one of the few good ones. : )

to me - simply show heart. focus on no more horse collars and put some intensity back into his game.

blowing up 1 player a month wouldn't hurt. well, it would the player and maybe roy, but....

we know he's not good in coverage, or at least that's not his strong point, so coming in to whine about it is pretty useless. but everytime our D gives up a TD and roy is in the picture, there will be bashing saying ROY did it.

but yea, good question. me - just show some heart and desire to be out there and i think the rest will come.

Thanks... Personally, and again, this is just from an outsider's perspective, but I think he absolutely needs to bring back the hits and shore up his tackling to vindicate himself to a good portion of Cowboy fans. Roy plays, and is forced, to make a lot of tackles in the open field. He probably doesn't get "run over" as much as some other players, but just about every tackle we see, Roy is one of maybe 3 or 4 players in the frame, so we see him getting "dragged" or blown up and therefore, the (non-)tackle gets dissected too much. How many times have linemen or LBs missed their tackles? It's hard to say because there is a whole blob of players right at the LOS, so it's hard to get a good read on who missed, who got ran over and who actually made the tackle. Not so much for safeties and DBs.

Also, another thing is game-changing/sealing plays. A tackle at the first down/goal line on 4th down or forcing a fumble in the 4th are good examples of game changing/sealing plays. Or maybe just a hit that jars the ball loose from a receiver making a key catch. Doesn't count anything (to my knowledge) in the stats but can be very important in changing a game. I don't remember a single one from 07 and I think a lot of fans are disappointed from it.

I think those are things he can do to swing fan and media popularity back in his favor.

 

[The30YardSlant]

but what if Williams had a great '08 season?

Impossible

RW is the most inept defensive back in all of football. He makes Kareem Larrimore look like Darrell Green in coverage. He couldnt make a tackle to save his life. He is the reason for every defensive mishap, penalty and blown assignment. In fact, Roy Williams has been responsible for every single passing touchdown given up by our defense since 2004. True story.

Not only that, but he isnt a team player, divides the locker room, backtalks the coaches, eats puppies, hates Star Wars, makes jokes about Terry Schiavo, and was the ring leader behind the crucifiction of Jesus Christ.

Did I miss anything?

 

[iceberg]

Impossible

RW is the most inept defensive back in all of football. He makes Kareem Larrimore look like Darrell Green in coverage. He couldnt make a tackle to save his life. He is the reason for every defensive mishap, penalty and blown assignment. In fact, Roy Williams has been responsible for every single passing touchdown given up by our defense since 2004. True story.

Not only that, but he isnt a team player, divides the locker room, backtalks the coaches, eats puppies, hates Star Wars, makes jokes about Terry Schiavo, and was the ring leader behind the crucifiction of Jesus Christ.

Did I miss anything?

he won't tell us where jimmy hoffa is.

 

[The30YardSlant]

he won't tell us where jimmy hoffa is.

I also heard that he doesnt find Richard Pryor funny

Rat bastid

 

[Hoofbite]

Impossible

RW is the most inept defensive back in all of football. He makes Kareem Larrimore look like Darrell Green in coverage. He couldnt make a tackle to save his life. He is the reason for every defensive mishap, penalty and blown assignment. In fact, Roy Williams has been responsible for every single passing touchdown given up by our defense since 2004. True story.

Not only that, but he isnt a team player, divides the locker room, backtalks the coaches, eats puppies, hates Star Wars, makes jokes about Terry Schiavo, and was the ring leader behind the crucifiction of Jesus Christ.

Did I miss anything?

Gas prices, Roy has to be involved somewhere.

 

[iceberg]

and because he sucks so much, he's a large reason for global warming.

 

[DallasEast]

Still too much room for wiggle. Way too hard to define a great season and too many factors to consider... Maybe a more defined statistical benchmark would net clearer results. I would ask the question, what would Roy Williams have to do (ie what stats would he have to post) that would vindicate him in your eyes?

So, you want me to post stats which I believe are worthy of Williams having a great season AND you want readers to post their opinion based upon my criteria, right?



Do... do you even attempt to read this forum? Resident posters already have their own opinion of what level Williams is ever capable of playing. They also have formed their own opinion, known or unknown, of what it would take for Williams to have a great season.

My introduction of stats, which I feel would be indicative of Williams having a great season, would prompt a discussion about my standards and I never sought that line of conversation. My post doesn't ask for the reader to agree with standards which do not coincide with his or her own.

There are already too many factors to consider. They have been thrown about this forum for months. You wish to narrow it down to what you feel are appropriate stats, etc? Be my guest, but please do not ask me to do something as equally foolish.