Stafford another good example

[TwoDeep3]

Romo had the talent to win titles. This franchise held him back for sure.

2007 and 2014 suggest your whimsical memory of those days isn't accurate.

 

[IrishAnto]

Garrett more precise.

The man who hired and kept Garrett around to be even more precise.

 

[jterrell]

1st pick was 3rd and 14 and not a bad idea to throw to the endzone and hope for the best.2nd pick should of been caught and bounced off wr’s hands.

The first pick was poor. 2:00 left in half and at the 43-yard line. A check down could've allowed a field goal attempt at minimum.
Stafford rolled left and threw the ball short. That was not a smart play.
Cincy simply couldn't score with 2 mins left against a very good Rams defense.
But if we are saying this was a smart attempt than any throw all day could get that same nod.

The second INT did lead to points for the Bengals. But that was a legit TE drop issue.
Congrats to Stafford for the win and his ring but this wasn't banner play or a banner day for him personally.

All in all Stafford was just OK on the day. League average type day.
Cincy had a poor pass defense in the regular season.
They allowed the 7th most pass yards per game.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

Pretzel logic if you ask me. Stafford last night was JAG , Cooper Kupp was his salvation and if they didnt have Aaron Donald they wouldn't have won. Quietly Von Miller played well

Not one of your Better SB's but congrats to the Champs

 

[IrishAnto]

He throws too many INT’s to be an elite QB. He had 2 INT’s in the Super Bowl. He puts up elite numbers but he’s too mistake prone. He’s blessed with a really good team around him with a number of playmakers. He had three straight games this season with a pick-six. He had a couple of dreadful games this season that were worse than any Dak had. His numbers in the Super Bowl were far from eye-popping.

But he doesn’t need to be elite as he is on a good team with a coaching staff who gets the best out of the talent on the team within an organisation who can judge when to go all in.
Something the Cowboys have lacked for more than 27 years.

 

[jterrell]

2007 and 2014 suggest your whimsical memory of those days isn't accurate.

Reality is Dallas was never able to put it all together but that is simply hard to do.
Romo ended his own first attempt (and Tuna's career) with a fumbled PAT snap.
After that he had back issues that limited him in practice and in games.
This led once he was older to favoring targets he had a long time.
That becomes costly and sees diminishing returns as WRs age.

And yes the defense had some very poor seasons mixed in.
Romo was plenty good enough to win a title but he had enough talent around him to have a couple legit shots and it just didn't work out.

 

[jterrell]

But he doesn’t need to be elite as he is on a good team with a coaching staff who gets the best out of the talent on the team within an organisation who can judge when to go all in.
Something the Cowboys have lacked for more than 27 years.

The Rams have been going all in for like 4 years now.
There is even talk of McVay retiring because the true up with the cap will be brutal.

But yes Dallas should consider a go all-in season or two as well given how easily they own the East and the fact a lot of guys are in win now windows: Zeke/Tyron/DLaw/Cooper amongst them.

 

[Portnoy1]

Neither team played their A game.....someone had to win. Could have easily gone the other way around. Not particularly a SB to remember. Stafford and Burrow were average at best, but he made the big play at the end. Burrow didn't.

That Oline for Burrow was pure **** though. Especially during the second half. Zac Taylor better get his crap together as far as offensive line is concerned. If Joey B had our line which is decent to slightly above average they win that game. Especially since Ramsey fell down on the last play against Jamar. That would have been a walk in TD. But he was too busy running around for his life.

 

[Cboyfan4ever]

The first pick was poor. 2:00 left in half and at the 43-yard line. A check down could've allowed a field goal attempt at minimum.
Stafford rolled left and threw the ball short. That was not a smart play.
Cincy simply couldn't score with 2 mins left against a very good Rams defense.
But if we are saying this was a smart attempt than any throw all day could get that same nod.

The second INT did lead to points for the Bengals. But that was a legit TE drop issue.
Congrats to Stafford for the win and his ring but this wasn't banner play or a banner day for him personally.

All in all Stafford was just OK on the day. League average type day.
Cincy had a poor pass defense in the regular season.
They allowed the 7th most pass yards per game.

At his best when he had to be when the game was on the line.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

2007 and 2014 suggest your whimsical memory of those days isn't accurate.

Romo did all he could those seasons. Our losses to the Giants and Packers weren’t on Romo.

 

[jterrell]

At his best when he had to be when the game was on the line.

Very fair.
But the Rams scored 23 points even with the last-minute TD.
That's just not elite QB play.
That was the 2nd lowest score of a winning team in the last decade.

 

[Diehardblues]

Stafford might be making the late-career leap to being elite. He now has the championship reason, the clutch performances, and the stats

Maybe he was closer to Elite all along but stuck on a bad team?

 

[KJJ]

Then how do you explain winning 13 games or whatever in the regular season and laying an egg in the playoffs?

You are saying the two are linked. Shouldn't success in the regular season equate to success in the playoffs?

Does the coaching and discipline break down for the Cowboys at that line? And if so. Why is it is just the Cowboys? And almost no one else?

That 13 win team in 2007 faded in December and January. Romo’s game fell apart late that season. Go compare his passer ratings in November with Dec/Jan. Go look at all the turnovers he had in Dec/Jan. We’ve had several real good teams lay an egg in the playoffs and it wasn’t due to a lack of talent. Go look at all the terrific players we’ve had over the years TO, Jason Witten, DWare and Dez Bryant. That’s just a few. In 2014 and 2016 we had the best OL in the league. Twice we’ve had backs lead the league in rushing.

Things go wrong for the Cowboys in the playoffs because the poor coaching and penalties catch up with them. It’s never been a talent issue with the Cowboys, they’re not a mentally tough team and they lack discipline and solid coaching. It leads to choking in the playoffs. They had one of the most talented rosters in the league this season. There’s not one expert that would disagree with that.

 

[KJJ]

But he doesn’t need to be elite as he is on a good team with a coaching staff who gets the best out of the talent on the team within an organisation who can judge when to go all in.
Something the Cowboys have lacked for more than 27 years.

That’s it he’s on a highly talented, well coached team. Sean McVay is a young, high energy coach who knows how to get the most out of his players.

 

[Cboyfan4ever]

Very fair.
But the Rams scored 23 points even with the last-minute TD.
That's just not elite QB play.
That was the 2nd lowest score of a winning team in the last decade.

Was down some weapons and let’s not take anything away from a really good Cincy D who shut down KC.

 

[Flamma]

After spending 12 years in a dormant franchise he’s finally provided an opportunity with a better team and coaching staff. What a difference it makes. And he made the most of it.

It reminds what Jim Plunkett, Steve Young and Doug Williams did going to a better team and winning a championship.

Too many times good QB’s aren’t afforded being on better teams. The personal numbers over the years supported Stafford was better than the teams he was on and this confirms it.

I know many will disagree with me. But I didn't notice any drop off when Steve Young came in for Joe Montana. The dude could play.

 

[glimmerman]

Team sport.

You’d think people would finally learn to stop attributing EVERYTHING to the QB position after seeing Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes lose to inferior QBs this postseason alone.

Stafford’s the same exact guy who missed the playoffs 9/12 seasons in Detroit with 0 playoff wins. Kudos to him for winning the big one, but let’s not pretend he magically got better at the same exact time that he happened to be surrounded by an elite roster.

Look at there defense. Look at the score. They were held to 20 points.

 

[WoodysGirl]

 

[DFWJC]

Team sport.

You’d think people would finally learn to stop attributing EVERYTHING to the QB position after seeing Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes lose to inferior QBs this postseason alone.

Stafford’s the same exact guy who missed the playoffs 9/12 seasons in Detroit with 0 playoff wins. Kudos to him for winning the big one, but let’s not pretend he magically got better at the same exact time that he happened to be surrounded by an elite roster.

True
He was always WAY better than some people realized

But also true….he is not Brady or Rodgers

 

[nobody]

Romo played for some talented teams. The Cowboys weren’t the dreadful teams that Stafford, Plunkett, Doug Williams and Young started with. The 2007 Cowboys were an excellent team until Romo's game started coming apart in Dec. The 2009 Cowboys were very good and they were a hot team entering the playoffs. The 2014 team was excellent. Not putting it all on Romo that we didn’t get it done those years just pointing out that he was part of some very good teams that had more than enough talent to win a championship. Those who are acting like he was never part of any good teams are being ridiculous. The main problem with the good teams he had was the coaching and the lack of discipline.

The 2009 loss in the playoffs can be placed squarely on the O-line. They literally couldn't protect at all for longer than a second.