Starting NFL QB ages

[McKDaddy]

At the end of the day Dak had a good year. He was an all pro. Not sure why people get in a uproar over him getting second place.

Because it isn't anything worth even mentioning. The only reasons to do so are A) create a false perception that the player in 2nd place was actually in contention to be the MVP. B) create a false perception that this somehow distinguishes the player in 2nd place from other players he's commonly grouped with or C) offering the odd piece of information as "fun fact". We all know the context people have been using it on this site and it isn't C.

Dak didn't get a single first place vote. At least a single first place vote would mean someone thought you worthy. The award is voted by 50 sportswriters. So it means even the local sportswriters didn't see a performance worthy of any consideration.

There are always players who receive the meaningless votes. It's not like it was some abnormal event that anyone should be putting on a pedestal.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Because it isn't anything worth even mentioning. The only reasons to do so are A) create a false perception that the player in 2nd place was actually in contention to be the MVP. B) create a false perception that this somehow distinguishes the player in 2nd place from other players he's commonly grouped with or C) offering the odd piece of information as "fun fact". We all know the context people have been using it on this site and it isn't C.

Dak didn't get a single first place vote. At least a single first place vote would mean someone thought you worthy. The award is voted by 50 sportswriters. So it means even the local sportswriters didn't see a performance worthy of any consideration.

There are always players who receive the meaningless votes. It's not like it was some abnormal event that anyone should be putting on a pedestal.

You know it’s funny no one cares about MVP voting or the process until this year now people want to discredit Dak.

This is how they vote. You don’t split first place votes lol. Whoever wins typically gets the majority of the votes. Lamar got all the votes because the Ravens did more than any other candidate. Lamar was not better than Dak or Purdy.

Dak got second place with no first place votes. That itself tells you something. Weird to discredit him based on a flawed MVP voting system.

 

[Blitzen]

There’s no interest because there’s no correlation. Some are tired of the same posts regarding Dak. Dak fatigue.

Explain what you mean by there is no correlation. No correlation between what and what?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Explain what you mean by there is no correlation. No correlation between what and what?

Between age and winning in this league.

 

[AmericanCowboy]

Because it isn't anything worth even mentioning. The only reasons to do so are A) create a false perception that the player in 2nd place was actually in contention to be the MVP. B) create a false perception that this somehow distinguishes the player in 2nd place from other players he's commonly grouped with or C) offering the odd piece of information as "fun fact". We all know the context people have been using it on this site and it isn't C.

Dak didn't get a single first place vote. At least a single first place vote would mean someone thought you worthy. The award is voted by 50 sportswriters. So it means even the local sportswriters didn't see a performance worthy of any consideration.

There are always players who receive the meaningless votes. It's not like it was some abnormal event that anyone should be putting on a pedestal.

You are acting like Dak was some random player that a hometown sportswriter threw in at the end.

The reality is that every single Sportsbook had Dak second or third at the end of the year. At week 15, Dak was the favorite, and at +160 to win the award. You can read this article for more evidence:

https://www.espn.com/espn/betting/s...5-futures-betting-odds-super-bowl-mvp-afc-nfc

So all the sports betting sites had him as the MVP of the league after the first 14 weeks, and a bunch of people are acting like the way he played last year was showing he was declining.

The playoff criticism is fair- but the revisionist play about his regular season when he put up the best QB season i've seen from a cowboy QB in my life time is pretty crazy

Also, not for nothing, but if Hunter Luepoke hadnt fumbled against the dolphins, Dak would have been much closer at the end.

 

[erod]

If a QB is truly a good NFL QB, then 30 is nothing.

If a QB relies on athleticism or doesn't learn to read defenses at an elite level, then 30 is close to the end.

 

[gtb1943]

You know it’s funny no one cares about MVP voting or the process until this year now people want to discredit Dak.

This is how they vote. You don’t split first place votes lol. Whoever wins typically gets the majority of the votes. Lamar got all the votes because the Ravens did more than any other candidate. Lamar was not better than Dak or Purdy.

Dak got second place with no first place votes. That itself tells you something. Weird to discredit him based on a flawed MVP voting system.

except the Dak BOts like rockie and company; always talking about the MVP like it meant something
so already I caught you out; what is next?

 

[gtb1943]

At the end of the day Dak had a good year. He was an all pro. Not sure why people get in a uproar over him getting second place.

except the Dak Bots claim it does mean something

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

except the Dak BOts like rockie and company; always talking about the MVP like it meant something
so already I caught you out; what is next?

Who cares? He got second place in votes.
He got the second most votes. It’s a factual statement. Just ignore those guys since it bothers you so much.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

except the Dak Bots claim it does mean something

He got second place in voting. Why does it bother you say much? Why don’t you have the “bots” on ignore?

 

[NotForLong]

This list is the age of each projected starting NFL QB for this season (the age they will be most of the season depending on birthday). I listed two names when the current starter is on a short smaller contract (1-2 years) and the team drafted a high round rookie.

NY Jets- Aaron Rodgers-40
Atlanta Falcons-Kirk Cousins-36
LA Rams-Matthew Stafford-36
Pittsburgh Steelers-Russell Wilson (35)/Justin Fields (25)
Seattle Seahawks-Geno Smith-34
New Orleans Saints-Derek Carr-33
Dallas Cowboys-Dak Prescott-31
New England Patriots-Jacoby Brissett(31)/Drake Maye (21)
Washington Commanders-Marcus Mariota (31)/Jayden Daniels (23)
Detroit Lions-Jared Goff-30
Cleveland Browns-Deshaun Watson-29
Kansas City Chiefs-Pat Mahomes-29
Tampa Bay Bucs-Baker Mayfield-29
Buffalo Bills-Josh Allen-28
LV Raiders-Gardner Minshew (28)/Aiden O’Connell (26)
Denver Broncos-Jarrett Stidham (28)/Bo Nix (24)
Arizona Cardinals-Kyler Murray-27
Baltimore Ravens-Lamar Jackson-27
NY Giants-Daniel Jones-27
Cincinnati Bengals-Joe Burrow-27
Minnesota Vikings-Sam Darnold (27)/ JJ McCarthy (21)
Green Bay Packers-Jordan Love-26
Philadelphia Eagles-Jalen Hurts-26
LA Chargers-Justin Herbert-26
Miami Dolphins-Tua Tagovailoa-26
Jacksonville Jaguars-Trevor Lawrence-25
Tennessee Titans-Will Levis-25
San Francisco 49ers-Brock Purdy-24
Houston Texans-CJ Stroud-23
Chicago Bears-Caleb Williams-23
Carolina Panthers-Bryce Young-22
Indianapolis Colts-Anthony Richardson-22

Twenty two out of 32 projected starters will be in their 20’s for the upcoming season. Every single starter in their 30’s is either on their second team or are journeyman QB’s-save for the Cowboys’ QB. Goff just got a big extension (lots of guaranteed money with a very young strong Lions team), but most of the guys in their 30’s don’t have many years or much guaranteed money left on their current deals-and several may end up on other squads or working as backups as early as next season. Part of the conversation with extending the QB at these ages is where the team sees the team evolving into in the next 3-4 seasons with said QB-not necessarily what just got accomplished in the years prior. Just food for thought-it’s a young man’s game for the most part even for QB’s.

Yeah top 10

 

[shabazz]

Lamar was not better than Dak or Purdy.

When you include Lamars running yards, all 3 of these guys are pretty close in total stats.

Although Lamar was probably picked because of his team's record, I would rather look to the strength of opponents defenses that all 3 faced......and perhaps they did with the Ravens playing in the superior AFC ( at least last season)

I guess we can take it a step further and include who had more offensive peices around them as another way to decide...obviously Purdy had a stacked offense.

Are they biased because Purdy was a 7th rounder and Dak was a 4th but Lamar was a 1st round pick?....... I don't know how these voters decide, really.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Will they say this? I understand the playoff argument. But Dak was 2nd or 3rd in MVP voting last year. This decline is not based in reality.

Who knows what They will say.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Time to find a QB guru, pay him well, and develop QBs who have rough skills with potential .

Old enough to remember when McCarthy was sold to us as The QB Whisperer.

 

[Blitzen]

Between age and winning in this league.

Winning what? A regular season game? A division title? A Super Bowl? QB age and winning in the league are absolutely correlated-depending on the age limits you are talking about. There are no 50 year old (or older) winning QBs and likely never will be. There has never been a SB winning QB less than 23 in league history.

Here are a few factoids about age though-which have meaning if you believe in math. More than 2/3 of the SB winning QB’s were less than 33 when they won. By the time a QB reaches 35, they are basically guaranteed not to win a championship. I also noticed an interesting trend for QB’s that won SB’s after they turned 33. Every one of them had previous experience winning or appearing in championship games much earlier in their career-except for Steve Young (a hall of famer) and Brad Johnson. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and John Elway account for many of the oldest SB winning QB’s-and they are on the Mount Rushmore of NFL QB’s.

This thread was about context for how different the Cowboys treat the QB position than other teams, and a dose of reality for the coping folks that have trouble seeing Dak’s time is mostly used up. Too many here believe that lots of QB’s can be full-time starters after they get into their mid 30’s-it’s a lie. The extreme majority of QB’s hit the end of their lifecycle by 33-34-and Dak is turning 31 in less than a month.

 

[McKDaddy]

You know it’s funny no one cares about MVP voting or the process until this year now people want to discredit Dak.

This is how they vote. You don’t split first place votes lol. Whoever wins typically gets the majority of the votes. Lamar got all the votes because the Ravens did more than any other candidate. Lamar was not better than Dak or Purdy.

Dak got second place with no first place votes. That itself tells you something. Weird to discredit him based on a flawed MVP voting system.

So we trumpet the voting results but discredit the voting system?

That's not true. No one cared about any of it as regards the folks who didn't win in previous years.

 

[gtb1943]

He got second place in voting. Why does it bother you say much? Why don’t you have the “bots” on ignore?

as long as you dak bots are putting out the drivel that the MVP vote meant something I will keep swatting it down

 

[gtb1943]

Winning what? A regular season game? A division title? A Super Bowl? QB age and winning in the league are absolutely correlated-depending on the age limits you are talking about. There are no 50 year old (or older) winning QBs and likely never will be. There has never been a SB winning QB less than 23 in league history.

Here are a few factoids about age though-which have meaning if you believe in math. More than 2/3 of the SB winning QB’s were less than 33 when they won. By the time a QB reaches 35, they are basically guaranteed not to win a championship. I also noticed an interesting trend for QB’s that won SB’s after they turned 33. Every one of them had previous experience winning or appearing in championship games much earlier in their career-except for Steve Young (a hall of famer) and Brad Johnson. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and John Elway account for many of the oldest SB winning QB’s-and they are on the Mount Rushmore of NFL QB’s.

This thread was about context for how different the Cowboys treat the QB position than other teams, and a dose of reality for the coping folks that have trouble seeing Dak’s time is mostly used up. Too many here believe that lots of QB’s can be full-time starters after they get into their mid 30’s-it’s a lie. The extreme majority of QB’s hit the end of their lifecycle by 33-34-and Dak is turning 31 in less than a month.

Between the culture of the team and Dak choaking in the playoffs there is no realistic chance he gets a ring

 

[McKDaddy]

You are acting like Dak was some random player that a hometown sportswriter threw in at the end.

The reality is that every single Sportsbook had Dak second or third at the end of the year. At week 15, Dak was the favorite, and at +160 to win the award. You can read this article for more evidence:

https://www.espn.com/espn/betting/s...5-futures-betting-odds-super-bowl-mvp-afc-nfc

So all the sports betting sites had him as the MVP of the league after the first 14 weeks, and a bunch of people are acting like the way he played last year was showing he was declining.

The playoff criticism is fair- but the revisionist play about his regular season when he put up the best QB season i've seen from a cowboy QB in my life time is pretty crazy

Also, not for nothing, but if Hunter Luepoke hadnt fumbled against the dolphins, Dak would have been much closer at the end.

Sports talk is reliant on content production. Vegas is happy to promote odds that will entice bets that will lose. They are going to do everything in their power to keep narratives alive as long as possible.

What you are saying lines up with reality. Against the weak competition they could promote him as an MVP candidate but when he had to face the Bills, Dolphins & Lions not so much. Voters recognized perception vs reality.

When Lamar trounced the 9ers everyone knew who was winning. Wouldn't have mattered if Dak had fared better down the stretch.

My stance is only that the whole 2nd place finish is being peddled as more meaningful than it really is.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Winning what? A regular season game? A division title? A Super Bowl? QB age and winning in the league are absolutely correlated-depending on the age limits you are talking about. There are no 50 year old (or older) winning QBs and likely never will be. There has never been a SB winning QB less than 23 in league history.

Here are a few factoids about age though-which have meaning if you believe in math. More than 2/3 of the SB winning QB’s were less than 33 when they won. By the time a QB reaches 35, they are basically guaranteed not to win a championship. I also noticed an interesting trend for QB’s that won SB’s after they turned 33. Every one of them had previous experience winning or appearing in championship games much earlier in their career-except for Steve Young (a hall of famer) and Brad Johnson. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and John Elway account for many of the oldest SB winning QB’s-and they are on the Mount Rushmore of NFL QB’s.

This thread was about context for how different the Cowboys treat the QB position than other teams, and a dose of reality for the coping folks that have trouble seeing Dak’s time is mostly used up. Too many here believe that lots of QB’s can be full-time starters after they get into their mid 30’s-it’s a lie. The extreme majority of QB’s hit the end of their lifecycle by 33-34-and Dak is turning 31 in less than a month.

I'm speaking based on your list and on your list you listed no 50 year olds. Do I think Aaron Rodgers can't win a ring this year because he's 40? I don't.

What stats are you using to determine guys hit the end of their lifecycle at 33?

You can't pick and chose what history to use to determine the future.

What I mean is.....

Find someone in previous history that fits Dak's resume....

Who in previous history made their first all Pro at 30 and got worse? You just simply can't compare quarterbacks of today to guys 20 years ago or 30 years ago.