Starting QBs In The NFL

[Hostile]

There are currently 33 players in the discussion as starting QBs in the NFL. Perhaps you feel there are 34 if you think that like Philly the Raiders job is wide open.

Of that number...

23 were drafted in the 1st round.
4 in the 2nd round.
3 in the 3rd round.
1 in the 6th.
1 in the 7th.
1 is a UDFA.

Someone explain to me why so many 1st round picks aren't facing the scrutiny the UDFA does without it being that HE is in Dallas, and they aren't. Even if you point out the number of pups in the 1st round who have 3 years or less as starters that isn't going to wash. Romo has been under this scrutiny since the bobbled snap in the 2006 post season, and that was his 1st year starting a single game.

Explain to me why Rivers, Schaub, Cutler, Palmer, and Vick aren't under more scrutiny. Explain to me when Ryan, Stafford, Sanchez, and Bradford are going to arrive at that scrutiny. of that list only Schaub isn't a 1st round pick, and he's a 2nd.

Note that I am not in any way touting Romo here, so you can't see this as an "excuse." I'm merely asking an obvious question. Namely, why QBs who are expected to be franchise caliber guys aren't under the same scrutiny as a guy who was a long shot to even make a team?

Just food for thought.

 

[CoCo]

Well... Romo is no longer paid like an UDFA. With the big $ comes scrutiny. Did scrutiny only start for Romo when he signed his 1st big deal, and then his current one? No. But that is the past. One perspective is that any player making the $ Romo is will be subject to scutiny. He just got some bonus scutiny when he wasn't making the coin to warrant it.

And yes, I agree, everything is bigger in Dallas. It is. Never going to change.

 

[Hostile]

Well... Romo is no longer paid like an UDFA. With the big $ comes scrutiny. Did scrutiny only start for Romo when he signed his 1st big deal, and then his current one? No. But that is the past. One perspective is that any player making the $ Romo is will be subject to scutiny. He just got some bonus scutiny when he wasn't making the coin to warrant it.

And yes, I agree, everything is bigger in Dallas. It is. Never going to change.

Vick never got a big contract? Palmer hasn't? Ryan hasn't? Romo's was big after the bobble? It isn't money that drives this.

 

[CoCo]

Vick never got a big contract? Palmer hasn't? Ryan hasn't? Romo's was big after the bobble? It isn't money that drives this.

Again, not saying its fair. I agree its been anything but. Just saying that now, Romo is pulling down big bucks and his UDFA origins mean nothing in the discussion other than how utterly lucky we were to get the guy.

Interesting stats on the starting QB's BTW. Again, shows what incredible odds Romo has beaten to get to where he is which is undeniably in the top 10. Most people with half a brain acknowledge that even if they ultimately think he's not the answer.

The QB takes the heat, right or wrong no matter their draft status. In Dallas, mulitply that by some factor...

 

[CoCo]

In the end I think its going to work outfine for Tony. I really do. He's a millionairre beyond his wildest dreams, has a beautiful wife and child and has no doubt had a BLAST shocking the world under the brightest lights there are in the NFL. Health permitting he has another 4-5 shots at improving his postseason resume and with an org that is showing signs of getting him the support necessary.

But even if Tony Romo never wins a SB he will have had a brilliant career and life in Big D and he is grounded enough to not let unwarranted criticism by unknowledgeable fans ruin his life. He is a better man than that.

We who have watched him have far more to be thankful for than critical of. And he as a player is in the same boat.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Vick never got a big contract? Palmer hasn't? Ryan hasn't? Romo's was big after the bobble? It isn't money that drives this.

I think that Vick and Palmer have each gotten or received scrutiny in their careers. Ryan has been in the league for 5 seasons, he has two Pro Bowls and has taken his team to the playoffs 4 times so I think that the perception, where Mattie Ice is concerned is a positive one. I can understand why he has not gotten the kind of harsh spotlight some of the others have.

 

[TheFinisher]

He gets a lot of scrutiny because of the gaffes he's had on prime time television. The rest of the country doesn't watch Romo week in and week out like Cowboy fans do, but they do pay attention when we play on SNF or MNF. Just this year he had the 5 INT game against the Bears, the 4 INT game against the Giants and the season finale where everyone saw him choke against the Skins... That was his prime time resume this year. Also recently had the Jets SNF loss where he fumbled on the 1 then threw the pick to Revis.

Not saying its right, but this is when the rest of the country watches Romo, and where the majority of fans form their opinion on players... And he's had some rough games as of late in primetime.

 

[CowboyGil]

1st rounders are given more of a grace period IMO. Romo, being the QB for the Cowboys, was placed under the microscope from day 1. Where he was drafted has nothing to do with it. WHO he was drafted by has EVERYTHING to do with it. And like the Finisher said, he's laid some big eggs in prime time.

 

[DFWJC]

He gets a lot of scrutiny because of the gaffes he's had on prime time television. The rest of the country doesn't watch Romo week in and week out like Cowboy fans do, but they do pay attention when we play on SNF or MNF. Just this year he had the 5 INT game against the Bears, the 4 INT game against the Giants and the season finale where everyone saw him choke against the Skins... That was his prime time resume this year. Also recently had the Jets SNF loss where he fumbled on the 1 then threw the pick to Revis.

Not saying its right, but this is when the rest of the country watches Romo, and where the majority of fans form their opinion on players... And he's had some rough games as of late in primetime.

Some truth there.

But you just showed a good example of the slant by saying "That was his prime time resume this year" when you left out at the very least the opening night prime time win at New York vs the defending SB Champs.

That was the only game played that day and one of the most watched games of the year.
Super high pressure and exposure on the road.

In the 24-17 WIN
Romo went 22-29, 307 yards, 3 TDs, 1 int, and a 129.5 rating.

Yet you failed to mention it.

I guess I expect that from other teams' fans that hate Dallas, but it really irks me that we have so many that think that way here. They ignore the good and magnify the bad 10x.


The Atlanta game was Sunday Night prime time (100% exposure). He threw for 300+ had no turnovers and a 109 QB rating in that one. No mention even of that. But's the Giants road win being excluded...that bothers me.

 

[Hostile]

I guess i expect that from other teams' fans that hate Dallas, but it really irks me that we have so many that think that way here. They ignore the good and magnify the bad 10x.

Exactly.

 

[percyhoward]

23 were drafted in the 1st round.
4 in the 2nd round.
3 in the 3rd round.
1 in the 6th.
1 in the 7th.
1 is a UDFA.

Great stat, Hos.

 

[percyhoward]

They ignore the good and magnify the bad 10x.

While focusing on a player whose share of the bad is one of the smallest on the team.

 

[Hostile]

I think that Vick and Palmer have each gotten or received scrutiny in their careers. Ryan has been in the league for 5 seasons, he has two Pro Bowls and has taken his team to the playoffs 4 times so I think that the perception, where Mattie Ice is concerned is a positive one. I can understand why he has not gotten the kind of harsh spotlight some of the others have.

Ryan is 1-4 in the post season, with 2 teams who were 13-3.

Romo heard this after he was 0-1 and is 1-3 overall.

One was the overall #1 pick. the other a UDFA. You don't see the dichotomy? It is entirely about the fact he plays in Dallas.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Ryan is 1-4 in the post season, with 2 teams who were 13-3.

Romo heard this after he was 0-1 and is 1-3 overall.

One was the overall #1 pick. the other a UDFA. You don't see the dichotomy? It is entirely about the fact he plays in Dallas.

Ryan is 4 out of 5 in just getting his team in the playoffs. Romo is coming off of a two 8-8 seasons and one 6-10 season consecutively. I mean, you can say that Ryan is 1-3 but that's still a damn sight better.

It's much easier to be optimistic about a young QB who's had 5 seasons in the NFL then it is a QB who's got 10 years in the League and has had the kind of success that Romo has recently.

 

[burmafrd]

Ryan is 4 out of 5 in just getting his team in the playoffs. Romo is coming off of a two 8-8 seasons and one 6-10 season consecutively. I mean, you can say that Ryan is 1-3 but that's still a damn sight better.

It's much easier to be optimistic about a young QB who's had 5 seasons in the NFL then it is a QB who's got 10 years in the League and has had the kind of success that Romo has recently.

BS. Ryan has clearly had the more talented and better team. Yet they are choking in the playoffs every year. Making the playoffs when you have a really good team means NOTHING. At that point it is all about the playoffs and Ryan has CHOKED there. But he gets NOWHERE NEAR THE heat Romo has; and frankly Romo gets it for a lot less reason then RYAN should.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

BS. Ryan has clearly had the more talented and better team. Yet they are choking in the playoffs every year. Making the playoffs when you have a really good team means NOTHING. At that point it is all about the playoffs and Ryan has CHOKED there. But he gets NOWHERE NEAR THE heat Romo has; and frankly Romo gets it for a lot less reason then RYAN should.

Who cares? The question is, why did he not get more scrutiny? Not who had the better team.

 

[burmafrd]

There are currently 33 players in the discussion as starting QBs in the NFL. Perhaps you feel there are 34 if you think that like Philly the Raiders job is wide open.

Of that number...

23 were drafted in the 1st round.
4 in the 2nd round.
3 in the 3rd round.
1 in the 6th.
1 in the 7th.
1 is a UDFA.

Someone explain to me why so many 1st round picks aren't facing the scrutiny the UDFA does without it being that HE is in Dallas, and they aren't. Even if you point out the number of pups in the 1st round who have 3 years or less as starters that isn't going to wash. Romo has been under this scrutiny since the bobbled snap in the 2006 post season, and that was his 1st year starting a single game.

Explain to me why Rivers, Schaub, Cutler, Palmer, and Vick aren't under more scrutiny. Explain to me when Ryan, Stafford, Sanchez, and Bradford are going to arrive at that scrutiny. of that list only Schaub isn't a 1st round pick, and he's a 2nd.

Note that I am not in any way touting Romo here, so you can't see this as an "excuse." I'm merely asking an obvious question. Namely, why QBs who are expected to be franchise caliber guys aren't under the same scrutiny as a guy who was a long shot to even make a team?

Just food for thought.

Is it not interesting that two of arguably the top 5-6 QBs in the league were a 6th rd and a UDFA?

 

[superpunk]

Decent thread.

Romo takes crap nationally that is expected. QB of the Cowboys you're gonna get it. I just don't get the angst from our fanbase.

To be fair, Chargers fans hate Rivers more than Cowboys fans hate Romo. I think both sets of fans are idiots.

 

[Idgit]

Is it not interesting that two of arguably the top 5-6 QBs in the league were a 6th rd and a UDFA?

Sort of. But it's also a bit of a centrifuge effect. Players drafted that low don't get much benefit fo the doubt and they get much, much shorter leashes. So the ones who actually stick have to be very good.

You're probably seeing 90% of 1st round QBs starting, and 2-3% of the round 6 or lower guys doing the same.

 

[Hostile]

Ryan is 4 out of 5 in just getting his team in the playoffs. Romo is coming off of a two 8-8 seasons and one 6-10 season consecutively. I mean, you can say that Ryan is 1-3 but that's still a damn sight better.

It's much easier to be optimistic about a young QB who's had 5 seasons in the NFL then it is a QB who's got 10 years in the League and has had the kind of success that Romo has recently.

Of course he has gotten them there. He plays in a weaker division on a better team. The point is, the reason the scrutiny is on Romo is because of who he plays for.

Let's be real honest here, if the Cowboys had drafted Mike Vick and had no more success than we have had the scrutiny would be through the roof. You expect more of an overall #1 pick QB than any other kind UNLESS it is a successful QB for the Dallas Cowboys.