Stat sheet on our running backs vs Det

Coogiguy03

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Unless McCarthy commits to the run none of these backs is going to excel. Derrick Henry gained 15 yards on his first 6 carries yesterday. The first 5 of those came in the first quarter. When was the last time any of our guys got 5 carries in a quarter. It's become abundantly clear that McCarthy cares even less about the running game than Kellen Moore did so we should all move on from this team ever running the ball effectively. The most disturbing thing I saw in the run game yesterday was that we appear to have dusted off the don't block the defensive end delay handoff play. It was stopped for a loss every time they ran it except for one time Zeke broke the tackle and got two yards out of it. When I saw us running that play it signaled to me that we had given up actually trying to run the ball and were merely using an occasional run play as a place holder while we looked for our next pass.
Well because they're not breaking off 10+ yard runs, you fail to realize sir that in Dallas in order for us to WANT to run the ball, the call carrier MUST be getting these kinds of gains
 

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Players want to play regardless of the score man. I never wanted to come out of a game at any point in my playing days. I would have played both ways and all special teams if they would have let me. I don't think Zeke is any different.
At his point in his career no I'm sorry, let Hunter get in
 

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I think I saw the worst display of our o-line yesterday!! I mean, seemed like NO ONE could block anything!! It was very frustrating to watch. I agree with others who say D. Henry wouldn't do well with our o-line. smh
 

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I am not defending the RBs but I don't think Barry Sanders could gain any yards behind this offensive line. The teams that racked up huge rushing yards against Dallas were running through huge holes where the RBs weren't touched for 6 to 10 yards. Rico and Zeke are getting hit at the LOS or even behind the LOS and doing great just to get back to a yard gain.

It seems like it is hard to accept that the offensive line is horrible than it is to blame the RBs.
I think its simply because the RBs are going to be different next season, but the OL has two rookies you've invested in, a RT that you're stuck with for another year at least, a LG you're about to pay top money to, and a RG that will be penciled in as a starter if he doesnt elect to retire. The only hope fans have for 2025 is convincing themselves that its not a talent problem on the OL and its simply coaching and RBs....the things Jerry will change at the end of the year and try to sell us on why we need to buy more tickets.
 

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I still can't believe he's on the team. The jersey sales can't be making Jerry that much money. Or is it to have Dak's buddy around? It's baffling.

He's emblematic of the fact this isn't a serious franchise.
I think it's twofold, 1) JJ is trying to extract value out of the dead money he has over the original Zeke release, and 2) zeke was his pick and he wants to prove it was the smart pick...that we let him go too soon and he still had juice left...like Derrick Henry.
 

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If Jerry did mandate Zeke get more playing time then Brian should resign and Jerry can run the offense.
 

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Well because they're not breaking off 10+ yard runs, you fail to realize sir that in Dallas in order for us to WANT to run the ball, the call carrier MUST be getting these kinds of gains
That would make sense except I watched Henry average 2.5 ypc for a quarter and a half and they NEVER stopped giving it to him. A couple of weeks ago he had something like 24 yards on 15 carries entering the 4th quarter and they STILL kept giving it to him. You know why? Because they unlike the Cowboys are COMMITTED to the run. I guarantee you that if Henry was playing for the Cowboys and he entered the 4th quarter with 20 some yards on 15 carries he would finish the game with 20 some yards on 15 carries. Regardless of the score.
 

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That would make sense except I watched Henry average 2.5 ypc for a quarter and a half and they NEVER stopped giving it to him. A couple of weeks ago he had something like 24 yards on 15 carries entering the 4th quarter and they STILL kept giving it to him. You know why? Because they unlike the Cowboys are COMMITTED to the run. I guarantee you that if Henry was playing for the Cowboys and he entered the 4th quarter with 20 some yards on 15 carries he would finish the game with 20 some yards on 15 carries. Regardless of the score.

2.5 ypc would have been an upgrade over Zeke yesterday.
 

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Rico 5 carries for 25 yards

Zeke 8 carries for 17 yards

The goal is to SAVE Zeke, but we ended up playing him a lot, he was even out there during the blow out when Lamb and Dak were finally taken out. You're a vet in this league and you wanted to stay in during a blow out??

I guess that meeting did something, we sure as hell used him a lot, but we're supposed to be saving him. I'm so confused, he does absolutely NOTHING for this offense, it's painful to see him out there. Hoping after the bye, we've made the ultimate decision to part ways! Please give your thoughts
Jerry wanted to tell the story about how Zeke marched into his office and implored the godfather to give him the ball.

Zeke then turned around and decimated a once proud Detroit run defense.

Jerry then looked like a master strategist and talent evaluator, pushing all the right buttons.

That's the level of delusion I expect from this FO.
 

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I think I saw the worst display of our o-line yesterday!! I mean, seemed like NO ONE could block anything!! It was very frustrating to watch. I agree with others who say D. Henry wouldn't do well with our o-line. smh
I suspect if you put our line in Baltimore with their playcaller our line would do just fine. If you watch our schemes we are constantly trying to finesse people in the run game. As I mentioned they brought back the delay handoff where nobody blocks the backside DE play yesterday. That unblocked DE made the tackle every time we want it except for the one time Zeke shook him off and got two. Our line is HUGE and we are still *****footin around up there. We need to get a hat on a hat and move people. Until we do so we are going to continue to struggle to run the ball with any consistency. This is not the old 49er or Denver offensive line with smaller, quicker guys up front. These a behemoths and we need use them as such. I think Zack Martin is the smallest guy on our line by 10 or 15 pounds. Think about that.. a 315 pound man is our "lil guy." We need to be playing smash mouth not ballroom dancing.
 

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2.5 ypc would have been an upgrade over Zeke yesterday.
He still would not have gotten the ball more than 10 times. Zeke had 5 carries (FOR THE GAME) until the last drive. Henry had 6 carries on his team's first two drives without a single 10+ yarder among them. But the Ravens kept feeding him. Until the Cowboys are willing to do that I am not interested in any of this "well we need to see big runs to keep running it." No team that actually wants to run the ball has that mentality. But then the Cowboys have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they don't want to run the ball.
 

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I think I saw the worst display of our o-line yesterday!! I mean, seemed like NO ONE could block anything!! It was very frustrating to watch. I agree with others who say D. Henry wouldn't do well with our o-line. smh
I think more people need to watch Henry's games.. He has plenty of games where he does absolutely nothing for 8, 10 , 15 carries... Sometimes he will get top 20 carries averaging less than 2 ypc and his teams have always simply kept giving him the ball because they know eventually the dam will break. And it usually does. This coaching staff does not have that mindset so the notion that Henry would be running for 150 yards a game in Dallas is patently false. He gets bottled up for long stretches just like our guys, and he's running behind a much better line. The difference is when our guys are bottled up we stop running.. Henry's coaches refuse to do that and I applaud them for it.
 

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He still would not have gotten the ball more than 10 times. Zeke had 5 carries (FOR THE GAME) until the last drive. Henry had 6 carries on his team's first two drives without a single 10+ yarder among them. But the Ravens kept feeding him. Until the Cowboys are willing to do that I am not interested in any of this "well we need to see big runs to keep running it." No team that actually wants to run the ball has that mentality. But then the Cowboys have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they don't want to run the ball.

Hard to establish the run when your offense can’t convert first downs because they’re constantly in 2nd and 3rd and longs because Zeke is getting less than 2 yards per carry at that point in the game.

The OL deserves blame too. But Zeke is cooked man. It’s foolish to sit here and pretend he isn’t and that the cowboys just need to establish the run to get him going.
 

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Hard to establish the run when your offense can’t convert first downs because they’re constantly in 2nd and 3rd and longs because Zeke is getting less than 2 yards per carry at that point in the game.

The OL deserves blame too. But Zeke is cooked man. It’s foolish to sit here and pretend he isn’t and that the cowboys just need to establish the run to get him going.
Maybe but I think you have this backwards. I think the Cowboys need to get him going to establish the run. And they're never going to get him going on 2 carries a quarter. The dude just can't play that way. Like I said, some guys can come off the bench and some guys can't. Zeke appears to be the latter. It is what it is. If they want the most out of him they need to start him and feed him. If they're not willing to do that then I think we will continue to see him being ineffective. It's just not working out for him to run it one time, pass block two plays then go stand on the sidelines for 15 minutes. The old muscles and bones don't appear to get lubed up fast enough. It is what it is.
 
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