Stats Before and after - what the Atlanta game did to Dak

[Aven8]

It's been discussed many times how the 27-7 loss last November in Atlanta was disastrous for this team. Looking at stats, it was clearly most disastrous for Dak Prescott. In terms of how it mentally affected Dak and this team, it was one of the worst losses in Cowboys regular season history.

Let’s look at Dak’s stats pre 2017 Atlanta game, then after the Atlanta game all the way to now.

DAK STATS BEFORE 2017 ATL GAME
2016- 23 TDS, 4 INTs
2017- (before Atl game) 16 TDs, 4 INTs
COMBINED 2016 and 8 2017 GAMES BEFORE ATL GAME: 39 TDs and 8 INTs

DAK STATS AFTER 2017 ATL GAME
2017-(after Atl game) 6 TDs, 9 INTs
2018- (so far) 11 TDs, 5 INTs
COMBINED 2017 and 2018 STATS AFTER ATL GAME: 17 TDs, 14 INTs

Just looking at Dak’s stats it’s pretty clear that Atlanta game last year did something to his confidence and performance.

I clearly remember watching Chaz Green get destroyed play after play by the mediocre Adrian Clayborn and also watching in sheer disbelief as Garett just stood there clapping while his (at that time) 24 year old QB gets thrown around like a rag doll. And no adjustments were made until late 3rd qtr. Garrett should have been fired on the plane ride home.

Coaching matters. And as the stats make clear, some games are so poorly coached it can have lingering effects. Especially when the head coach is the worst in the league at managing in-game situations. The game Sun in Atl is a chance to exercise those demons or to add to them.

Dak got David Carr'ed.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yeah, if you as a player are watching your team circle the drain while your head coach claps but makes no changes, it has to affect your confidence- both in your coach and your team.

When players believe in their coach, they play at the maximum of their ability. Jimmy was a master of this. His “put it in 6 inch headlines” was one of the greatest motivational moments in team history. The opposite moment in recent history was Garrett’s decision to not go for it on 4th in OT on the Texans 42.

Garrett coaches from the decision making line of thinking, “What if we fail?” I read the other day a quote from Sean McVey about his philosophy- “When we make decisions, there is no fear of failure.” That’s the difference these players surely see in having a coach like Garrett, who when inside the opponents 20 is probably thinking FG.

We continue to want to compare Garrett to these great coaches? Which just isn’t an option anymore with Jerry’s agendas.

When I look at Garrett I compare him more to other puppets we’ve had and about half of the NFL coaches around league with similar records. Which gives me an idea for a thread.

 

[Bobhaze]

Dak got David Carr'ed.

Good comparison.

I heard Bob Sturm yesterday remembering how stupid Garrett managed that game in the last 3 min, JG was burning timeouts with 3min left when the outcome was clearly decided, and worse, he left Dak in there to continue getting sacked and hit. Cooper Rush should have played the last few minutes of the game instead of Dak, who was still getting mauled while the outcome was clearly over. Stupid.

Heard an embarrassing side note yesterday about Adrian Clayborn- he had 9 and 1/2 sacks last year...6 of them in the Dallas game. He parlayed that into an offseason contract with New England. He should have sent gifts to Garrett and Chaz Green.

 

[Bobhaze]

We continue to want to compare Garrett to these great coaches? Which just isn’t an option anymore with Jerry’s agendas.

When I look at Garrett I compare him more to other puppets we’ve had and about half of the NFL coaches around league with similar records. Which gives me an idea for a thread.

Greggo, there’s a difference between comparing and contrasting. I use comparisons to good coaches with Garrett only as a means to show the contrasts.

Look, I agree with you, Jerry has a stupid agenda regarding coaches. But the one hope against that is Jerry hates to be embarrassed. Continuing to keep Jason Garrett is becoming a national embarrassment for Jerry. He wants the media to respect him, so when he gets embarrassed, he tends to make a move.

Do I think Jerry will ever “get it” that he’s the problem- No. Does that mean he will always have JG as his HC? No. If this team doesn’t make the playoffs and make some noise in the playoffs, there will be seismic pressure on JJ, not to mention the nagging embarrassment he does respond to.

 

[Aven8]

Good comparison.

I heard Bob Sturm yesterday remembering how stupid Garrett managed that game in the last 3 min, JG was burning timeouts with 3min left when the outcome was clearly decided, and worse, he left Dak in there to continue getting sacked and hit. Cooper Rush should have played the last few minutes of the game instead of Dak, who was still getting mauled while the outcome was clearly over. Stupid.

Heard an embarrassing side note yesterday about Adrian Clayborn- he had 9 and 1/2 sacks last year...6 of them in the Dallas game. He parlayed that into an offseason contract with New England. He should have sent gifts to Garrett and Chaz Green.

Claiborne also got like a 500K bonus for sacks in that game. JG is a fool. His theory of fight to the finish is a bunch of bologna. That game was lost way before then.

 

[Floatyworm]

It's been discussed many times how the 27-7 loss last November in Atlanta was disastrous for this team. Looking at stats, it was clearly most disastrous for Dak Prescott. In terms of how it mentally affected Dak and this team, it was one of the worst losses in Cowboys regular season history.

Let’s look at Dak’s stats pre 2017 Atlanta game, then after the Atlanta game all the way to now.

DAK STATS BEFORE 2017 ATL GAME
2016- 23 TDS, 4 INTs
2017- (before Atl game) 16 TDs, 4 INTs
COMBINED 2016 and 8 2017 GAMES BEFORE ATL GAME: 39 TDs and 8 INTs

DAK STATS AFTER 2017 ATL GAME
2017-(after Atl game) 6 TDs, 9 INTs
2018- (so far) 11 TDs, 5 INTs
COMBINED 2017 and 2018 STATS AFTER ATL GAME: 17 TDs, 14 INTs

Just looking at Dak’s stats it’s pretty clear that Atlanta game last year did something to his confidence and performance.

I clearly remember watching Chaz Green get destroyed play after play by the mediocre Adrian Clayborn and also watching in sheer disbelief as Garett just stood there clapping while his (at that time) 24 year old QB gets thrown around like a rag doll. And no adjustments were made until late 3rd qtr. Garrett should have been fired on the plane ride home.

Coaching matters. And as the stats make clear, some games are so poorly coached it can have lingering effects. Especially when the head coach is the worst in the league at managing in-game situations. The game Sun in Atl is a chance to exercise those demons or to add to them.

One of the best takes I've ever read here...spot on

Some losses are worse than others...Last year in Atlanta was just inexcusable. Completely showed how inept that staff was when it came to making adjustments. Just wasn't in the DNA.

Question is...can they learn from that? I have my doubts.

 

[Diehardblues]

Greggo, there’s a difference between comparing and contrasting. I use comparisons to good coaches with Garrett only as a means to show the contrasts.

Look, I agree with you, Jerry has a stupid agenda regarding coaches. But the one hope against that is Jerry hates to be embarrassed. Continuing to keep Jason Garrett is becoming a national embarrassment for Jerry. He wants the media to respect him, so when he gets embarrassed, he tends to make a move.

Do I think Jerry will ever “get it” that he’s the problem- No. Does that mean he will always have JG as his HC? No. If this team doesn’t make the playoffs and make some noise in the playoffs, there will be seismic pressure on JJ, not to mention the nagging embarrassment he does respond to.

I understand.

So your hope resides Jerry will hire another Parcells or aWade, Gailey or Campo puppet??

 

[Batman1980]

I understand.

So your hope resides Jerry will hire another Parcells or aWade, Gailey or Campo puppet??

I hope for Lincoln Riley to come in and FIX the coaching problems with this offense. I hope for a defensive guru to fix the flaws in this defense. I also hope for a real kicker.

 

[cern]

the packers coach just screwed the pooch Thursday night against the seahawks. i'm willing to bet he will be gone after this season. but garrett will probably still be here, coaching as poorly as ever.

 

[Diehardblues]

I hope for Lincoln Riley to come in and FIX the coaching problems with this offense. I hope for a defensive guru to fix the flaws in this defense. I also hope for a real kicker.

Hoping for an upgrade in Coord is a more realistic hope than HC.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Right about the time other teams would finally have enough video of him to analyze his tendencies.

Correct sir. Right on

 

[Number1]

The Falcon game last year exposed several issues last year for us including our poor adjustments by coaching staff.

It exposed how we’d struggle without our All Pro OL. Without our best player in Elliott with his impact on our effectiveness on offense and most of all how difficult it would be for Dak to carry this team without all of his key supporting cast.

And it exposed how weak our depth is on OL. Attempting to place all of the blame on coaching staff is popular more agenda driven and possibly to advert weaknesses in other areas.

I think the supporting cast may now be on the field

what got exposed on the OL is the value of a real LG in this system - this game is still won and lost in the pits

 

[xwalker]

It's been discussed many times how the 27-7 loss last November in Atlanta was disastrous for this team. Looking at stats, it was clearly most disastrous for Dak Prescott. In terms of how it mentally affected Dak and this team, it was one of the worst losses in Cowboys regular season history.

Let’s look at Dak’s stats pre 2017 Atlanta game, then after the Atlanta game all the way to now.

DAK STATS BEFORE 2017 ATL GAME
2016- 23 TDS, 4 INTs
2017- (before Atl game) 16 TDs, 4 INTs
COMBINED 2016 and 8 2017 GAMES BEFORE ATL GAME: 39 TDs and 8 INTs

DAK STATS AFTER 2017 ATL GAME
2017-(after Atl game) 6 TDs, 9 INTs
2018- (so far) 11 TDs, 5 INTs
COMBINED 2017 and 2018 STATS AFTER ATL GAME: 17 TDs, 14 INTs

Just looking at Dak’s stats it’s pretty clear that Atlanta game last year did something to his confidence and performance.

I clearly remember watching Chaz Green get destroyed play after play by the mediocre Adrian Clayborn and also watching in sheer disbelief as Garett just stood there clapping while his (at that time) 24 year old QB gets thrown around like a rag doll. And no adjustments were made until late 3rd qtr. Garrett should have been fired on the plane ride home.

Coaching matters. And as the stats make clear, some games are so poorly coached it can have lingering effects. Especially when the head coach is the worst in the league at managing in-game situations. The game Sun in Atl is a chance to exercise those demons or to add to them.

When the OLine is good, Dak wins most of those games.

The OL has not been as good since the Atlanta game...

 

[Captain-Crash]

stats before and the excuses after.

 

[mmohican29]

Last Sunday nite was a signature win for Dak and another example that this team never quits on Garrett.

As usual expectations were too high from some and we aren’t as bad as others see.

We are somewhere in the middle fighting hard for a playoff spot. It is what it is.

I like the majority of this post. And agree with most of it as well.

But the Tennessee game was eye opening in that we in no way shape or form will ever win with Garrett as HC.

Plenty of time to prepare, plenty of in game chances to capitalize against a team we IMO, outman talent wise And we did nothing.

Its NFC Championship Game or bust if I'm Jones. Nothing less saves his job at this point.