Stats Before and after - what the Atlanta game did to Dak

[nobody]

Last Sunday nite was a signature win for Dak and another example that this team never quits on Garrett.

As usual expectations were too high from some and we aren’t as bad as others see.

We are somewhere in the middle fighting hard for a playoff spot. It is what it is.

Okay, Garrett makes some of the players inspired to do their actual jobs and not quit....but where is the ability to manage time? Where is the ability to make in-game adjustments? Where is the ability to be creative and innovate? Where is the ability to actually coach every week of the season? Garrett is not a good HC and never will be. He's way too inconsistent and doesn't show any signs of learning what he needs to learn to be a good HC. How much of that is on Jerry? Who knows, but in-game adjustments are not on Jerry. Those are on Garrett and the OC's. If the OC's can't get it done, then get ones that can. It's up to Garrett to do that or convince Jerry of that. He hasn't. Garrett is a failed experiment. It's sad because I really believed in him before. Now? I think his time with Jerry has ruined any chances he have had at developing into a good coach and not an average coach.

 

[Bobhaze]

Okay, Garrett makes some of the players inspired to do their actual jobs and not quit....but where is the ability to manage time? Where is the ability to make in-game adjustments? Where is the ability to be creative and innovate? Where is the ability to actually coach every week of the season? Garrett is not a good HC and never will be. He's way too inconsistent and doesn't show any signs of learning what he needs to learn to be a good HC. How much of that is on Jerry? Who knows, but in-game adjustments are not on Jerry. Those are on Garrett and the OC's. If the OC's can't get it done, then get ones that can. It's up to Garrett to do that or convince Jerry of that. He hasn't. Garrett is a failed experiment. It's sad because I really believed in him before. Now? I think his time with Jerry has ruined any chances he have had at developing into a good coach and not an average coach.

In today’s NFL, the best teams are led by coaches and players that have the ability to quickly adapt and evolve. What worked last year (or even last month) may not work now. If you can’t adapt quickly, you can’t compete. This is primary problem with Garrett as HC. He can’t evolve and adapt within a game, much less a season.

 

[eromeopolk]

Nate said it at the time. I game like this can really hurt a young QB. Spook him.


We’re now full circle.

Let’s turn it around. We have a good young team and a coach that is present.

We can do it!

(I really feel we can despite the shot at Garrett)

The same thing happen to Dak happened to Troy Aikman in 1991. The only difference was the Head Coach. Head Coach Jimmy Johnson got Aikman's mind straight, challenged the OL moving Erik Williams to RT, and put the focus on hitting the big Guerrilla (Washington) with everything you got. Head Coach Jason Garrett just kept clapping.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Contrary to the popular narrative that Dak was playing awesome before the Atlanta game, one should look at how poorly he played Denver,Arizona,Washington, and the rams.

You guys need to look at YPA, as well as total yards, attempts, and completions

For example, the 238 yds against Denver may sound good but look at the attempts and completion. 50 attempts.

Against Washington and Arizona he didn't break 200 yds.

Finally he played Philadelphia the super bowl champs twice after Atlanta.

Don't believe that mess. Look at the numbers yourself

 

[LocimusPrime]

Finally notice they before that Dak actually completed 66.7% of his passes in the Atlanta game.

This completion percentage is in fact higher than 6 games prior to Atlanta.

 

[FTWayne]

Is this the first game where they pressured Dak, and he spazed out?

 

[LocimusPrime]

Ok now let's go back to 2016 where if you were paying attention, you could have seen hints of Daks problems.

Look at games 12,13,,14,and 20 See a trend?
Now I was too lazy to put game 1 of 2016 but he basically attempted 45 passes for 227yds which is very poor

 

[nobody]

Ok now let's go back to 2016 where if you were paying attention, you could have seen hints of Daks problems.

Look at games 12,13,,14,and 20 See a trend?
Now I was too lazy to put game 1 of 2016 but he basically attempted 45 passes for 227yds which is very poor

Right about the time other teams would finally have enough video of him to analyze his tendencies.

 

[Redball Express]

It's been discussed many times how the 27-7 loss last November in Atlanta was disastrous for this team. Looking at stats, it was clearly most disastrous for Dak Prescott. In terms of how it mentally affected Dak and this team, it was one of the worst losses in Cowboys regular season history.

Let’s look at Dak’s stats pre 2017 Atlanta game, then after the Atlanta game all the way to now.

DAK STATS BEFORE 2017 ATL GAME
2016- 23 TDS, 4 INTs
2017- (before Atl game) 16 TDs, 4 INTs
COMBINED 2016 and 8 2017 GAMES BEFORE ATL GAME: 39 TDs and 8 INTs

DAK STATS AFTER 2017 ATL GAME
2017-(after Atl game) 6 TDs, 9 INTs
2018- (so far) 11 TDs, 5 INTs
COMBINED 2017 and 2018 STATS AFTER ATL GAME: 17 TDs, 14 INTs

Just looking at Dak’s stats it’s pretty clear that Atlanta game last year did something to his confidence and performance.

I clearly remember watching Chaz Green get destroyed play after play by the mediocre Adrian Clayborn and also watching in sheer disbelief as Garett just stood there clapping while his (at that time) 24 year old QB gets thrown around like a rag doll. And no adjustments were made until late 3rd qtr. Garrett should have been fired on the plane ride home.

Coaching matters. And as the stats make clear, some games are so poorly coached it can have lingering effects. Especially when the head coach is the worst in the league at managing in-game situations. The game Sun in Atl is a chance to exercise those demons or to add to them.

When I think about Atlanta..

I think Greene at G and those sacks..

and Zeke suspended.

And Dez fading badly like he would do.

This is a very different team we have.

Is it better?

No.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Contrary to the popular narrative that Dak was playing awesome before the Atlanta game, one should look at how poorly he played Denver,Arizona,Washington, and the rams.

You guys need to look at YPA, as well as total yards, attempts, and completions

For example, the 238 yds against Denver may sound good but look at the attempts and completion. 50 attempts.

Against Washington and Arizona he didn't break 200 yds.

Finally he played Philadelphia the super bowl champs twice after Atlanta.

Don't believe that mess. Look at the numbers yourself

Thank you.

I was saying it in real-time last season but you can imagine the complete denial folks were having back then. Granted, he was playing better overall back then (first half of 2017) than he has been since, but you could see the early signs with his completion % dropping and turnover rate.

 

[Diehardblues]

Okay, Garrett makes some of the players inspired to do their actual jobs and not quit....but where is the ability to manage time? Where is the ability to make in-game adjustments? Where is the ability to be creative and innovate? Where is the ability to actually coach every week of the season? Garrett is not a good HC and never will be. He's way too inconsistent and doesn't show any signs of learning what he needs to learn to be a good HC. How much of that is on Jerry? Who knows, but in-game adjustments are not on Jerry. Those are on Garrett and the OC's. If the OC's can't get it done, then get ones that can. It's up to Garrett to do that or convince Jerry of that. He hasn't. Garrett is a failed experiment. It's sad because I really believed in him before. Now? I think his time with Jerry has ruined any chances he have had at developing into a good coach and not an average coach.

What’s on Jerry is that Garrett is even our HC and remains to be.

My support of Garrett is not about the criticisms you’ve listed.

My support is in the fact he somehow prevents this team from a total collapse playing hard despite the distractions and poor mgmt of our dysfunctional organization.

Our franchise since Jimmy left except for a brief period with Bill has been without great coaching and totally dependent on our talents ability to overcome. Whenever we have more talent and everything aligns more perfectly we are greater contenders.

Continuing to want coaching to be the difference is a false hope IMO until Jerry decides to step away and why I continue to plead for more talent in key positions.

And his record speaks for itself. He’s the definition of average. Which is about as consistent as we might can expect with Jerry’s agendas.

We’ve come close twice under Garrett reaching a championship game which is more than we can say with any other HC this era. This provides me some hope when everything falls into place like in 2014 and 2016. And if you can sell me Jerry will pursue a greater HC than we’ve seen this era I’m all ears.

 

[Diehardblues]

In today’s NFL, the best teams are led by coaches and players that have the ability to quickly adapt and evolve. What worked last year (or even last month) may not work now. If you can’t adapt quickly, you can’t compete. This is primary problem with Garrett as HC. He can’t evolve and adapt within a game, much less a season.

I understand how important coaching is but this isn’t an advantage Jerry is willing to allow so for me it’s not an area I focus on.

If we’re depending on coaching to take us over the top then we’re basically in a hopeless situation with Jerry.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

The Falcon game last year exposed several issues last year for us including our poor adjustments by coaching staff.

It exposed how we’d struggle without our All Pro OL. Without our best player in Elliott with his impact on our effectiveness on offense and most of all how difficult it would be for Dak to carry this team without all of his key supporting cast.

And it exposed how weak our depth is on OL. Attempting to place all of the blame on coaching staff is popular more agenda driven and possibly to advert weaknesses in other areas.

There is a vast difference between Chaz Green and an All-Pro, Chaz Green for one is a swinging saloon door will let anyone in. What we need is a competent lineman that can block efficiently and give his QB time.

 

[Cmac]

Been tap dancing in the pocket ever since.

 

[Jake]

That they're still trying to right the ship a year after the Chaz Green debacle says a lot about this coaching staff.

 

[Diehardblues]

That they're still trying to right the ship a year after the Chaz Green debacle says a lot about this coaching staff.

Is the coaching staff responsible for the talent on this roster?

Has this organization properly addressed our OL since 2016. Not only in our starters but depth?

I haven’t seen anyone who’s properly replaced Free or Leary at their positions?

And then throw in the injuries to our 3 All Pros and our OL isn’t what it was. That makes a huge difference in talent level. I’m not sure why we expect an average coaching staff to overcome that?

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Right. It was also exposed early in 2017 against Denver.

That game more so than the falcons game I still have a hard time with. We got beat in every phase of the game, ill prepared which I am stunned heads didnt roll. Especially considering the gnats the next week went to the same stadium and kicked there a--'-.

 

[CouchCoach]

To be fair, teams and QB's have bad games and to pick one out as the benchmark isn't fair. The wheels came off in that game and put yourself in the players' cleats. You are either in the game and seeing it on the big screen or on the sideline watching it live as the coaching staff allowed that to happen. Most of the players know what kind of player Green was and the difference between him and Big Smitty. If I was a player, I would have been in shock that they were just letting that continue to happen. There may also be some players that like Green and think what they did to him was the absolute definition of poor coaching. Good coaching is putting your players in their best position to succeed. They failed Green and the team.

 

[Bobhaze]

To be fair, teams and QB's have bad games and to pick one out as the benchmark isn't fair. The wheels came off in that game and put yourself in the players' cleats. You are either in the game and seeing it on the big screen or on the sideline watching it live as the coaching staff allowed that to happen. Most of the players know what kind of player Green was and the difference between him and Big Smitty. If I was a player, I would have been in shock that they were just letting that continue to happen. There may also be some players that like Green and think what they did to him was the absolute definition of poor coaching. Good coaching is putting your players in their best position to succeed. They failed Green and the team.

Yeah, if you as a player are watching your team circle the drain while your head coach claps but makes no changes, it has to affect your confidence- both in your coach and your team.

When players believe in their coach, they play at the maximum of their ability. Jimmy was a master of this. His “put it in 6 inch headlines” was one of the greatest motivational moments in team history. The opposite moment in recent history was Garrett’s decision to not go for it on 4th in OT on the Texans 42.

Garrett coaches from the decision making line of thinking, “What if we fail?” I read the other day a quote from Sean McVey about his philosophy- “When we make decisions, there is no fear of failure.” That’s the difference these players surely see in having a coach like Garrett, who when inside the opponents 20 is probably thinking FG.

 

[Diehardblues]

To be fair, teams and QB's have bad games and to pick one out as the benchmark isn't fair. The wheels came off in that game and put yourself in the players' cleats. You are either in the game and seeing it on the big screen or on the sideline watching it live as the coaching staff allowed that to happen. Most of the players know what kind of player Green was and the difference between him and Big Smitty. If I was a player, I would have been in shock that they were just letting that continue to happen. There may also be some players that like Green and think what they did to him was the absolute definition of poor coaching. Good coaching is putting your players in their best position to succeed. They failed Green and the team.

And Chaz a 3rd round pick failed the team. Shocking he’s still on the roster but an example how shallow our depth is.

Coaching adjustments came slow as well but Dak deserves some too. He knew that pressure was coming and looked surprised every time.