Status Quo

[StanleySpadowski]

I think we should trade for Mogan Lankins.

Whitten or Cokely straight up.

 

[Meat-O-Rama]

Funny, a whiny thread about how the team is in such disarray, coming from you titled 'Status Quo'...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

If it was up to me I would have MArion BArber as the #3 back.

thank GAWD its not up to you or we would royally be screwed.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Personally, I'd rather have Choice starting. However, if you listen to what Garrett has said in various interviews and put them together, you get a better understanding of why they are doing things that way.

First, they start Marion Barber in the first quarter. This is for several reasons actually. First, is that he is the better blocker of three running backs. This means that on a pass play or audible from run-to-pass play, he provides better protection for Romo than the other two guys. Second, you want your starting running back to punch the defense in the mouth a little early in the game. Third, the defense of both teams are usually amped up at the beginning of the game so you need a stronger running back who can dish out hits as well. Fourth, as the defense starts to tire a little, the Cowboys then bring in a fresh Felix Jones who seems even faster than he normally is to the defense.

I still like Choice and Felix as the two main running backs but I can at least understand their logic. With all the great runners in Cowboys history, I will admit it is hard adjusting to a 3-pronged running back attack.

-Reality

choice would get Romo killed by the 4th game. he can't pick up a blitz and pass protect. that's a very under rated part of the RBs game.

or would you like to experiment and see ROmo on the turf?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It really isn't working out, and it's a waste of talent watching barber out there instead of jones or choice.

all three of them are over rated by the cowboys fans. I expect a 1st round RB to be able to carry the load instead of being a role player. Jones hasn't shown the ability to do that and he hasn't CLEARLY separated himself from the pack. that alone is disappointing. CHoice may run hard, but also has limitations in other areas as a RB, such as picking up blitzers and pass rushers like Barber does. If choice played extensively romo would be on the turf and out for the season.

I like the rotation as is. it worked last year. lets keep it going.

 

[DawnOfANewD]

People are too quick to discount the knowledge of fans... especially die hard fans who watch the game constantly, and are going further in depth than the average fan.

The die hard cowboys fan from CZ probably tells you to draft Steven Jackson instead of trading down and getting Julius Jones. That's not hindsight. That's knowledge.

I mean there is finickiness, but there is also insight. It goes both ways.

Let's see, would I prefer the opinion of a fan, or someone with 1st-hand access to hours of game tape custom shot by team videographers and not available to the general public that they can review over and over again, scouts, unit coaches, the players themselves, team doctors, etc. who attend practices and strategy sessions and work directly with players everyday and who know to what extent someone's injured big toe might affect how well they can plant and drive, GM's and team presidents who are responsible for the day-to-day operation of a team to the point where they're supposed to know who farted five seconds ago in the post-game therapy hot tub, etc.

Fans only know what they see on TV and what they get second-hand from reporters with biases and filters. It's like looking at 1% of the surface area of a painting and using that to decide whether it sucks or is a masterpiece. It's like some guy off the street who watches a show and then decides he knows enough to tell a firefighter or cop or scientist how to do their job. It's absolute bull**** and incredibly insulting to people who devote lifetimes to their respective fields that some twit with a few hours of info gleaned from the occasional exposure to media reports thinks he knows as much as they do.

 

[urface59]

People are too quick to discount the knowledge of fans...

Actually, fans tend too have hugely inflated view of their football knowledge. If anyone on this board was running the team then God help the Cowboys.

 

[DFWJC]

I think it's the thing that annoys me the most about the Dallas Cowboys. The fans and the front office alike.

Just accept things, regardless of reality.

The worst is probably the situation with the offensive line, but what makes me furious is the situation with Marion Barber being the starter.

It takes an injury to get this team moving in a different direction i.e. roy williams, and miles austin.

Take a deep breath....we're all in this together.

 

[Galian Beast]

LOL DFWJC

This is a forum, meant for discussion. The whole point of putting your ideas out there is why this site exists. Am I saying anyone here could do a better job? Probably not. But there is knowledge here.

As for how well we're doing, there is no getting past the fact that we've won 1 playoff game in 14 years. Is that better than 0 in 13 years, yes definitely, but we definitely haven't been doing a great job. And by we I meant the coaching staff and the front office. We've had what 3 coaches this decade?

I think what is inflated is the faith that whatever this front office does HAS to be right. Not going after Corey Dillon when we desperately needed help in the running game, and he was traded for like a 2nd round draft pick to NEW ENGLAND of all places, was not prudent, especially not when you turnover and send a 1st, 3rd, and 7th for Roy Williams. 3 pro bowls in limited time BEFORE he went the New England. Roy Williams had 1 year left on his contract, and the following year Anquan Boldin goes for a 3rd round draft pick? How many people wanted Boldin over Williams... I would say the vast majority.

What percent of people on this board wanted Steven Jackson? I'm going to say 90-95 percent. By some miracle he fell to us. And we passed... And he turned out to be a huge stud running back while the guy we got a bust.

Fan favorites like Danny Amendola are doing a lot more than players like Ogletree, Sam Hurd, Manuel Johnson.... Not saying fans are always right, or that Amendola is somehow a stud receiver, but he is definitely better than some of our lower depth. Fans ARE right sometimes.

You want to laugh or be uncivil because I would like to see us help our poor offensive line by getting a player that is certainly available? Yeah I'm the moron... I want us to win a super bowl, and I want to see Tony Romo upright... what a dumb idea.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

We got Marcus Spears out of the Julius Jones trade down too, so if you're going to ride Steven Jackson's jock in retrospect make sure you remember how many more 100 yard rushing games we would've given up between 2005 and now had we not made that deal.

If you were in charge of the team you would've probably resigned Canty to a far too expensive deal and we would've never gotten Igor. We would've never signed Brooking either. Like it or not, you don't know better than the front office. Sure, you can watch ESPN and see highlights of a guy and think you're smart when we don't draft him and he turns out to be good, but we can't have every player.

Was trading all the picks we did for Roy a bad deal? Sure, but every GM makes bad deals sometimes. Jerry thought adding a guy he felt could put our offense over the top that particular year was what needed to happen. Boldin wasn't available at that point so that's irrelevant. Jerry's made some pretty great deals too.

Choice can't pass protect well enough to start, plain as that. Do I personally think he would do some damage with more touches? Yes. Do I get to watch practice and see what the coaches see? No.

You just sound like a whiny kid who thinks he's smarter than people who are professionals getting paid to do the things you like talking about on a message board. You need to get your ego in check and either enjoy watching the team we have, or find another one.

 

[joseephuss]

LOL DFWJC

This is a forum, meant for discussion. The whole point of putting your ideas out there is why this site exists. Am I saying anyone here could do a better job? Probably not. But there is knowledge here.

As for how well we're doing, there is no getting past the fact that we've won 1 playoff game in 14 years. Is that better than 0 in 13 years, yes definitely, but we definitely haven't been doing a great job. And by we I meant the coaching staff and the front office. We've had what 3 coaches this decade?

I think what is inflated is the faith that whatever this front office does HAS to be right. Not going after Corey Dillon when we desperately needed help in the running game, and he was traded for like a 2nd round draft pick to NEW ENGLAND of all places, was not prudent, especially not when you turnover and send a 1st, 3rd, and 7th for Roy Williams. 3 pro bowls in limited time BEFORE he went the New England. Roy Williams had 1 year left on his contract, and the following year Anquan Boldin goes for a 3rd round draft pick? How many people wanted Boldin over Williams... I would say the vast majority.

What percent of people on this board wanted Steven Jackson? I'm going to say 90-95 percent. By some miracle he fell to us. And we passed... And he turned out to be a huge stud running back while the guy we got a bust.

Fan favorites like Danny Amendola are doing a lot more than players like Ogletree, Sam Hurd, Manuel Johnson.... Not saying fans are always right, or that Amendola is somehow a stud receiver, but he is definitely better than some of our lower depth. Fans ARE right sometimes.

You want to laugh or be uncivil because I would like to see us help our poor offensive line by getting a player that is certainly available? Yeah I'm the moron... I want us to win a super bowl, and I want to see Tony Romo upright... what a dumb idea.

There was no reason to go after Corey Dillon, who was 30 at that time. Dallas was rebuilding in 2004. New England was not. Different circumstances. You don't trade a 2nd round pick for a guy when you are rebuilding. And Dallas did not just turn around and make the trade for Roy Williams. That trade came 4 years later when Dallas was trying to make a Superbowl run.

Danny Amendola? Really? He is entering his third year in the league. Ogletree and Manuel Johnson are both entering their second year in the league. Again, it is different circumstances. Put either of these guys in St. Louis and they would do more because they would be asked to do more. In Dallas they are asked to sit by while the guys in front of them carry the load. Amendola is not better than these guys. He is just in a different situation.

 

[urface59]

Fan favorites like Danny Amendola are doing a lot more than players like Ogletree, Sam Hurd, Manuel Johnson.... Not saying fans are always right, or that Amendola is somehow a stud receiver, but he is definitely better than some of our lower depth. Fans ARE right sometimes.

That's because unlike the Rams we actually have quality depth at WR. Amendola would not have done a damn productive thing if he was still here.

 

[Galian Beast]

We got Marcus Spears out of the Julius Jones trade down too, so if you're going to ride Steven Jackson's jock in retrospect make sure you remember how many more 100 yard rushing games we would've given up between 2005 and now had we not made that deal.

If you were in charge of the team you would've probably resigned Canty to a far too expensive deal and we would've never gotten Igor. We would've never signed Brooking either. Like it or not, you don't know better than the front office. Sure, you can watch ESPN and see highlights of a guy and think you're smart when we don't draft him and he turns out to be good, but we can't have every player.

Was trading all the picks we did for Roy a bad deal? Sure, but every GM makes bad deals sometimes. Jerry thought adding a guy he felt could put our offense over the top that particular year was what needed to happen. Boldin wasn't available at that point so that's irrelevant. Jerry's made some pretty great deals too.

Choice can't pass protect well enough to start, plain as that. Do I personally think he would do some damage with more touches? Yes. Do I get to watch practice and see what the coaches see? No.

You just sound like a whiny kid who thinks he's smarter than people who are professionals getting paid to do the things you like talking about on a message board. You need to get your ego in check and either enjoy watching the team we have, or find another one.

I had more in depth response, but the page crashed, so here we go.

Spears and Jones for Steven Jackson... I'd make that trade in a heart beat... anyone would. Spears is more easily replaceable than your starting running back. You overrate Spears because of the struggle of Bowen and Hatcher.

We have Igor and Brooking because of Wade, not because of the front office...

You give these "professionals" probably too much credit.

See Matt Millen and Jerry Jones. Matt Millen is absolutely god awful at what his job was. Yet he's a professional right? What was his experience as a GM before he was given the job? He played like 10 years of football, was an announcer, then they gave him a job as a GM were he stunk.

Jerry Jones? Played college football...

 

[Galian Beast]

There was no reason to go after Corey Dillon, who was 30 at that time. Dallas was rebuilding in 2004. New England was not. Different circumstances. You don't trade a 2nd round pick for a guy when you are rebuilding. And Dallas did not just turn around and make the trade for Roy Williams. That trade came 4 years later when Dallas was trying to make a Superbowl run.

Danny Amendola? Really? He is entering his third year in the league. Ogletree and Manuel Johnson are both entering their second year in the league. Again, it is different circumstances. Put either of these guys in St. Louis and they would do more because they would be asked to do more. In Dallas they are asked to sit by while the guys in front of them carry the load. Amendola is not better than these guys. He is just in a different situation.

You're rebuilding and yet you're still trying to be competitive. Exactly the same reason why the Jets traded for Brett Favre... I didn't say it was the same year.

Danny Amendola was a more finished product last year than Ogletree or Johnson are right now.... much more finished... and a lot of people saw that potential.

 

[urface59]

I had more in depth response, but the page crashed, so here we go.

Spears and Jones for Steven Jackson... I'd make that trade in a heart beat... anyone would. Spears is more easily replaceable than your starting running back. You overrate Spears because of the struggle of Bowen and Hatcher.

We have Igor and Brooking because of Wade, not because of the front office...

You give these "professionals" probably too much credit.

See Matt Millen and Jerry Jones. Matt Millen is absolutely god awful at what his job was. Yet he's a professional right? What was his experience as a GM before he was given the job? He played like 10 years of football, was an announcer, then they gave him a job as a GM were he stunk.

Jerry Jones? Played college football...

Congratulations, you would have gotten Steven jackson. But then again, Matt Millen managed to score with Calvin Johnson jr....
And I doubt Steven jackson would make up for all the other bad decisions you would make as a GM.

 

[Galian Beast]

Congratulations, you would have gotten Steven jackson. But then again, Matt Millen managed to score with Calvin Johnson jr....
And I doubt Steven jackson would make up for all the other bad decisions you would make as a GM.

congratulations... you made no argument whatsoever...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You're rebuilding and yet you're still trying to be competitive. Exactly the same reason why the Jets traded for Brett Favre... I didn't say it was the same year.

Danny Amendola was a more finished product last year than Ogletree or Johnson are right now.... much more finished... and a lot of people saw that potential.

but where would he rank in our WR pecking order? probably 6th.

so for your 6th WR you look with a player with an upside. or higher upside. Ogltree has a much much higher upside than Amendola who will never be a starter in this league and at best will perish between an average #3 or a #4 WR.

so wo do you keep as your 6th WR? a player with a higher ceiling? or one that will forever be limited.

and you are talking about the rams. you are comparing our 6th WR to rams starters who went 1-15!!!!!!

 

[Galian Beast]

but where would he rank in our WR pecking order? probably 6th.

so for your 6th WR you look with a player with an upside. or higher upside. Ogltree has a much much higher upside than Amendola who will never be a starter in this league and at best will perish between an average #3 or a #4 WR.

so wo do you keep as your 6th WR? a player with a higher ceiling? or one that will forever be limited.

and you are talking about the rams. you are comparing our 6th WR to rams starters who went 1-15!!!!!!

Just because your team goes 1-15 doesn't make you trash. They threw at Amendola 63 times last year and he caught it 43 times... I like that... plain and simple. 68.2 percent catch rating.

 

[joseephuss]

You're rebuilding and yet you're still trying to be competitive. Exactly the same reason why the Jets traded for Brett Favre... I didn't say it was the same year.

You said they turned around a made the trade for Roy. That implies proximity. Sure you try to be competitive, but you don't give away a 2nd round pick to do so. That is ridiculous. The Pats could afford to trade a 2nd round pick because they had multiple first and second round picks to play with and were on the verge of winning a Superbowl. Dallas was not in the same situation.

Let's rewrite history. Dallas trades a 2nd round pick for Corey Dillon in 2004. Three years later Dillon is no longer in the NFL. Three years later Galian Beast posts, "What a stupid trade Dallas made for Dillon. Well, at least they were competitive."

Danny Amendola was a more finished product last year than Ogletree or Johnson are right now.... much more finished... and a lot of people saw that potential.

I disagree. Amendola did not look like a finished product during the pre-season last year. Even so, he would still be sitting on the bench or inactive on gameday if he were in Dallas. A lot of people see potential in Ogletree, too.

 

[ZeroClub]

Personally, I'd rather have Choice starting. However, if you listen to what Garrett has said in various interviews and put them together, you get a better understanding of why they are doing things that way.

First, they start Marion Barber in the first quarter. This is for several reasons actually. First, is that he is the better blocker of three running backs. This means that on a pass play or audible from run-to-pass play, he provides better protection for Romo than the other two guys. Second, you want your starting running back to punch the defense in the mouth a little early in the game. Third, the defense of both teams are usually amped up at the beginning of the game so you need a stronger running back who can dish out hits as well. Fourth, as the defense starts to tire a little, the Cowboys then bring in a fresh Felix Jones who seems even faster than he normally is to the defense.

I still like Choice and Felix as the two main running backs but I can at least understand their logic. With all the great runners in Cowboys history, I will admit it is hard adjusting to a 3-pronged running back attack.

-Reality

I don't care who you are, that's a high quality post....