Staubach v. Aikman v. Romo

[Jimz31]

When ALL is said and done, I hope that we can agree that we all hope that Romo sits at the top....it only bodes well for the team.

In the end, statistically, Romo WILL surpass each of them, the only question is SB wins.

Yes, the game has changed....the DB's could essentially hammer the WR down the field making it more difficult for receptions.....different eras different players...that's why I absolutely HATE these stupid comparisons.

 

[Cowboysfan570]

For the eras that they played in there is really no doubt in my mind that Staubach was the absolute best. Now if you're just talking overall numbers, it's undeniably Romo.

Hes done more with less (RELATIVE to his era) when compared to Aikman or Staubach, but relative to their respective eras Roger Staubach is probably the best QB in league history and I think the numbers bear that out.

Roger Staubach retired with an 83.4QBR which up to that point was the highest in league history. He never had the sort of defenses that Pittsburgh had during the 70s to help carry the team and often put it on his back and carried us to victory.

He didn't really start until he was nearly 30 and retired in his late 30s, or he would have held just about every record there was to hold at that point. Still, playing the bulk of his career in his 30s he didn't do bad at all piling up 153TDs to only 109INTs, and nearly 23,000 passing yards despite only really starting for 7 of his 10 seasons and playing mostly during the deadball era.

Oh yeah and he also had 57% completions during that very same time (a full 5% better than the other supposed "great" of the decade, Terry Bradshaw). Roger was a once in a generation talent and I think it almost belittles him to ask who is the best.

 

[Jon88]

Aikman had a laser arm and held everyone else accountable.

Romo holds people accountable too and is mobile and very accurate as well. I do think Romo is progressing towards Aikman-like leadership, but he'll never have Aikman's arm.

I never saw Staubach play.

If I had my choice of who to choose it would be Aikman.

Romo comes in second in front of Staubach based on the way the NFL has progressed since when Staubach played.

 

[StarMan2112]

Romo shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Staubach and Aikman. Maybe someday, but not yet.

I'd have to go with Roger the Dodger by the slightest of margins over Troy.

 

[mmillman]

Guys, passing gets easier and easier every year. You can't just compare number straight up between '79 and '09.

I threw this together in a hurry using PFR and FO so it may not be perfect but it'll get the point across.

Roger Staubach ranked 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 5th, 5th, 9th, and 11th in pass efficiency among qualifying NFL QBs in his 8 years as a starter.

Troy Aikman ranked 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 8th, 9th, and 19th plus one more in the 11-15 (couldn't get '91 pinned down) range in the same stat during his career, discounting 89 90 99 and 2000. (He also played 16 playoff games, which if treated as another season would have been his best by far.)

Romo has ranked 5th, 6th, 7th and 10th.

As much as I love Romo, he's in the conversation with White and Meredith not Aikman and Staubach. Period.

Amen brother. Aikman and Staubach can be talked about in a conversation of the top qb's of all time. Romo, no.

Staubach was on the all decade team for the 70's. Aikman won 3 superbowls.

 

[utrunner07]

Men lie, Women lie, numbers don't. Romo owns almost every qb record in Dallas Cowboys history.

uh not super bowl appearances or wins...not even close there and they count more than anything when it comes to rating a QBs legacy...Romo has a ways to go.

 

[ZeroClub]

Staubach > Aikman > Romo

It'd be interesting to see what Aikman could do in today's game ... if he were a rookie coming into the league today. I think he'd be a terror ... with that accuracy of his.

 

[CowboySwagger]

Hard to choose because of different era's, teams, and overall personalities but here goes.

Romo - Aikman > Staubach

I put Romo slightly over Aikman because I think he's an overall better athlete... third Staubach. This is only an opinion nothing more and I respect others on this forum.

But this is my reasoning:

Romo has done alot more with less.... alot less.

I consider him the pound for pound best we've had in terms of an individual qb. (here is where many others disagree) and you may be right but this is my point of view. Individuals being compared at an individual position but using team accomplishments for this point is harsh imo.

Staubach era: "Not being able to win the big game" "Next year's Champion" -kinda sounds like Romo's era huh?

Coached by: HOFer Tom Landry
Supporting cast: Lance Alworth, Golden Richards, Mike Ditka, Billy Joe Dupree, Jackie Smith, Rayfield Wright, Forest Gregg, Robert Newhouse, Calvin Hill, and Tony Dorsett

AND THE DOOMSDAY DEFENSE need I say more.

HOFers on O:Alworth, Ditka, Dorsett, Hayes, Smith, Wright

SB's VI and XII were easily decided by a great running game and amazing defense. A defense that only gave up 1 td in 25 qtrs prior to SB VI. SB XII had White and Martin as co-SB MVP's.

IMO these SB victories were directly related to dominating defense and a great running game.(which i wish was still our identity) why these accomplishments of two SB's is given to Staubach as if he did it alone beats me. Do not get me wrong Staubach was something to watch, great athlete ahead of his time and a commanding general type of leader but was on a team assemble by gods IMO. Caliber of team was to high and to good to give the credit to Staubach. Staubach was replaceable and if Morton stayed he could have won SB also imo.

Troy Aikman's era: "A new Age" new owner, new coach, and a football minded front office.

Traded only pro bowler on the team to get five veteran players and eight draft choices. What Jimmy did was magical. He knew how to make "ball players" and a solid ball club. (I miss Jimmy alot)

Coach: Jimmy Johnson - A champion everywhere he went

Supporting Cast: EMMITT SMITH, MICHEAL IRVIN, Daryl Johnson, Alvin Harper, Newton, Williams, Stepnoski, Novachek and great defenses on the SB yrs.

HOFers on O:Micheal Irvin, Emmitt Smith need I say more.

Aikman's SB victories again were related to great defenses and A running game that produced the NFL LEADING RUSHER in NFL HISTORY

Aikman and Staubach had the chance, the privledge, nay the pleasure to grace the field with some of the best talent the NFL has ever seen and coached by some of the best in history. They also had more than a hand full of HOFers on each team and great defenses. Some of you make it sound as if they won all the games by themselves. They were just cogs in a much bigger organization. From top to bottom (owner who let the coach do his job, Front office, and Coach) those SB winning teams were complete and solid.

Romo's era: Rebuilding, Head coach change, front office brings in hired guns. Front office lets guns go to clean house. A lot slower process in the front office to get back to being a solid ball club again but its happening. There has been alot of good progress. (I am pleased)

Coached by:Bill Parcels (didnt seem like he wanted the job anyway) Wade Phillips (good DC)

Supporting Cast:An o-line like swiss cheese, an aging wr Terry Glenn, pre madonna wr T oh no, and a mediocre defense at best over the years but now starting to improve.

Romo can boast team accomplishments when this team is better as a whole when this is a SB TEAM (owner who lets coach do his job, Front office that makes good deals and doesnt over pay and coach that can utilize all weapons).

We are getting there, Romo is getting there, his supporting cast is barely getting there.

Romo is something special and wont be realized till he's gone or he wins a SB all by himself

Plug in Tony into 71' 77' 92' 93' 95' and Tony would have 5 SBs

Thanks for your time I usually dont reply but thought it was a good topic of hypothetical there's no right or wrong answer....I like reading but hardly share opinion because afraid to get into disputes with anyone on this forum I like all of you for different reasons and enjoy your insights and silliness at the same time.

 

[Sarge]

Its no contest aikman has lead us to 3 superbowls so hes the best
In football superbowls are all that matters

That would mean Haley is better than Ware right?

 

[burmafrd]

Swagger hard to match such total wrongness.

Roger did not start untill halfway through 1971. So wrong there.

He was injured before the 72 season and did not play until the playoff game in that year and had one of his greatest comebacks. But you could already see the deterioration of the team; the D was old and Bob Hayes was losing speed steadily.

He was the QB that broke through and won the first SB. Wrong there.

The Doomsday D had its last great year in 1971 and began to fall off right afterwards. Did not really pick up again untill 1976 and peaked in 1977. It was built for the old rules and was at a disadvantage starting in 78. So your comments about the D are wrong again.

Pittsburgh and its bought off officials and special treatment barely beat the boys 2 times and one play in each one would have seen us win.

ITs been emphasized again and again and you still have no clue how much easier the passing has become especially now. The first real change came in the second to last year Roger played and you can see how his stats jumped then even at the beginning of the passing era. BUT still back then the D had a lot more fair treatment then it gets now. And add to that is how the QB is coddled now; protected and babied.

Roger if he played now would be putting Brady and P Manning to shame with wins.

Oh by the way how many playoff games have the cowboys won with Romo as the QB vs Roger when he played?

 

[Doomsday101]

I loved having Troy but I will say we lean on Romo more than we did Troy. That 90's team had great talent across the board and depth to spare during much of the SB runs.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Ok so Romo has more yards/attempt, better ratios, better QB rating, more yards and TDs per season, better completion %, and better every single other individual stat. How is Aikman more accurate?

because Aikman was a precision passer. Romo Generally throws to a wide open man. Aikman Could make Roy Look like a top flight receiver because he could get him the ball with confidence in situations that Romo cant. Romo is a very talented qb, but there are very few that are as accurate and precise as Aikman.

 

[joseephuss]

Staubach(1969-1979)
83.4 QB rating
65.7 league average
26.9% difference

Aikman(1989-2000)
81.6 QB rating
77.3 league average
5.6% difference

Romo(2006-2009)
95.6 QB rating
80.6 league average
18.6% difference

Roger was so much better than his peers. He still ranks 28th in career QB rating,. That is great considering how the passing game and rules have evolved since the time he played. It is much easier to put up big and efficient passing numbers in today's game.

Troy is the only one of the three QBs to play for some bad teams. The 1989 was horrible. Probably the worst in franchise history. The 1990 squad was not much better. The 2000 team his last year was not too good, either. And by then his legs and back were so shot that he was no longer the same QB.

Romo is pretty good, but he has not had a full career yet. Staubach and Aikman both saw the field early in their careers. Aikman struggled when he was forced onto that 1989 squad and his career stats reflect that. Romo would have been a disaster if he were forced to play in 2003 and 2004. He wasn't ready at that time and his stats would have reflected that.

 

[dbair1967]

Ok so Romo has more yards/attempt, better ratios, better QB rating, more yards and TDs per season, better completion %, and better every single other individual stat. How is Aikman more accurate?

Did you ever see the guy play? Do you realize how all the rule changes the past 10 yrs or so have made incredibly easier to throw the ball?

There's a reason Aikman was the #1 overall pick of a draft and considered one of the highest rated QB prospects ever.

Jimmy Johnson, Norv Turner, Ernie Zampese, even Mike Holmgren...all have said numerous times that if the Cowboys would have been a pass first team or didnt have an Emmitt Smith at RB, that Aikman could have probably broken all sorts of passing records.

 

[Rampage]

Romo shouldn't even be in the same conversation with Aikman and Staubach

 

[Doomsday101]

Romo shouldn't even be in the same conversation with Aikman and Staubach

Why is that?

 

[Rampage]

Why is that?

what has he done? dated some, celebs put up nice regular season numbers where the rules absolutely cater to and give an advantage to a passing offense.

Roger was before my time so all I got to go on of him is watching old games. But he played big in big games. same with Troy. combined those guys helped get there teams to 8 Superbowls winning 5 of them.

out of the 3 playoff games Romo has played in he's really only played big in the one last year. but he almost screwed that up with that int that Wade challenged. that throw was a terrible throw that he can not make in a game like that. had that int held up all the momentum would've been with Philly. honestly i'm not convinced Romo is a championship qb.

 

[Doomsday101]

what has he done? dated some, celebs put up nice regular season numbers where the rules absolutely cater to and give an advantage to a passing offense.

Roger was before my time so all I got to go on of him is watching old games. But he played big in big games. same with Troy. combined those guys helped get there teams to 8 Superbowls winning 5 of them.

out of the 3 playoff games Romo has played in he's really only played big in the one last year. but he almost screwed that up with that int that Wade challenged. that throw was a terrible throw that he can not make in a game like that. had that int held up all the momentum would've been with Philly. honestly i'm not convinced Romo is a championship qb.

Troy and Roger do have rings guess what 52 other players get rings it is not just the QB. Dallas put more on Romo to carry this team than they did with Troy, we don't have the league all time leading rusher do we or an offensive line that was great and had big time depth behind them should a player go down. Troy did. I love the job Troy did for the Cowboys but he was never asked to carry the load as Romo is being asked to do.

 

[skicat1898]

Can't compare Romo to Roger and Troy yet, wait until his career is over and he has had to play on some "crap" teams like Roger and Troy had to at various points in thier careers.

Aikman would have put up monster stats had he been on a pass happy team instead of a balanced offense. Roger, same thing.

 

[Teague31]

Staubach, Aikman then Romo....