Stephen Gilmore pick

[Fizziksman]

i think the problem is that you are trying to throw a guy open when the guy isn't capable of getting open. it was a bad decision to test Gilmore with that type of route

 

[Jarntt]

That has to be totally on Gallup . As a receiver you have to stay upright in order to catch the ball and in a storied career in NE now Indy Gilmore probably has not had an easier interception.

You could tell from Daks body language after the play it was three letters the first one is W I’ll leave the guessing as to the other 2.

When Cooper was here it was almost like you had to force the ball early into his hands keep him involved , interested . With 88 13 and Noah Brown it’s whoever is open distribute the passes then you have the three horsemen at TE . I’m liking this late season passing game .

Totally disagree. Why do you even throw that pass? Even if Gilmore didn’t interfere with Gallup he had position. That’s on the QB IMO. Not a horrible throw as much as a poor decision to throw it. It was a best a 50/50 ball

 

[RonWashington]

Dak shouldn't have thrown that ball. Go somewhere else. Run for a couple of yards. Anything besides force it into a situation like he did.

Single coverage on Gallup is” forcing “ the ball now ? Oh my . If Dallas is to go Mano a Mano vs the big boys come playoff football be it SF or Philly and Darius Slay ah yeah Gallup’s going to have to win some battles like every Cowboy fan has seen him do . I like Gallup one on one in matchups let them double Lamb .

 

[speedkilz88]

 

[RonWashington]

And Gallup is 6’1” 198 Gilmore is 6’0” 190 so he should’ve owned that route but it looks like he gave up on the break.

Gallup made a bad play compounded by a veteran CB who knows his job leaving the Dak flapping in the breeze .

 

[RonWashington]

I really am not a Collinswoth fan but the man ran a few routes went to a Bengal SB I’ll defer to him on this one . “ the receiver has to fight his way through that “ ….and depending on the refs to “ throw flags “. Ummm no .

 

[Yobwocs]

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

 

[Rockport]

I really am not a Collinswoth fan but the man ran a few routes went to a Bengal SB I’ll defer to him on this one . “ the receiver has to fight his way through that “ ….and depending on the refs to “ throw flags “. Ummm no .

I’m hoping Gallup will not make the same mistake again. I’m sure the coaches made him aware.

 

[RonWashington]

I’m hoping Gallup will not make the same mistake again. I’m sure the coaches made him aware.

The man’s getting better and better every week getting healthy .

There is a rumor the Cowboys signed James Washington .

 

[RonWashington]

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

Exactly !

 

[Hawkeye19]

Dak shouldn't have thrown that ball. Go somewhere else. Run for a couple of yards. Anything besides force it into a situation like he did.

This. Over and over again. Dak himself owns the fact that he gets “greedy” and is too aggressive in the first half with trying too hard to push the ball down the field.

He just needs to settle down and make the easy read and let the game to come to him. Get the running game going, make the safe read, use his legs, and work off playaction vs trying to make the tight window/contested ball throws.

 

[gimmesix]

Not extending his arms probably helped Gilmore avoid the penalty. I said two-hand shove, but he really kept his arms in and kind of rammed him with his upper body to cut off the route. He still clearly made illegal contact with the receiver.

 

[plasticman]

54-19

Nothing to see here......move along......move along.......

 

[TwoDeep3]

This is the argument which causes me to shake my head.

I understand there are times Dak throws interceptions and it is his fault. One in particular in the Colts game was not intercepted only because the defender couldn't catch a ball in his chest. But I see posts where people complain that Dak throws late. And yet, when he leads a receiver and it gets picked it is his fault, even though the receiver was not at the spot where the ball was to be delivered. Or worse, these guys don't fight to protect their QB.

Michael Irvin would fight to prevent a pick like you slapped his daughter or something. These boys seem to just give up at times. To me, anyway.

It's like the people who argue this position forget they also argue that he delivers late.

Gallup was on the ground when the ball arrived. I think it was P.I. But I didn't see the entire play from start to finish as if I was in the stands. So I guess I'll chalk it up to Gallup's being on the ground was caused by gravity.

But for a fact, not every interception thrown by Dak is his fault. Nor is every pick thrown by Dak not his fault. And to suggest you have never seen a pick that was Dak's fault is simply a strawman argument.

I understand why there is no smoking on this board. There is so much straw around, the place would go up like the Chicago fire.

 

[MarcusRock]

Not extending his arms probably helped Gilmore avoid the penalty. I said two-hand shove, but he really kept his arms in and kind of rammed him with his upper body to cut off the route. He still clearly made illegal contact with the receiver.

Not even close to Illegal contact. Here are the rules:

ARTICLE 3. ILLEGAL CONTACT BEYOND FIVE-YARD ZONE. Beyond the five-yard zone, if the player who receives the snap
remains in the pocket with the ball, a defender cannot initiate contact with a receiver who is attempting to evade him. A defender
may use his hands or arms only to defend or protect himself against impending contact caused by a receiver.​

When Gallup turns his route right into Gilmore, he has the right to protect himself against impending contact per the wording of the rule. He didn't push Gallup down. Gallup went down from what looked like not being prepared for Gilmore to hold his ground like Collinsworth said. Not illegal contact or PI in any way. Gilmore has as much right to the thrown ball as Gallup and can position himself as such, especially if you're going to try to run a route right through him. Gallup could have crossed in front of him easily to use his body to shield Gilmore and just didn't.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Next well be blaming the ball itself

 

[gimmesix]

Not even close to Illegal contact. Here are the rules:

ARTICLE 3. ILLEGAL CONTACT BEYOND FIVE-YARD ZONE. Beyond the five-yard zone, if the player who receives the snap
remains in the pocket with the ball, a defender cannot initiate contact with a receiver who is attempting to evade him. A defender
may use his hands or arms only to defend or protect himself against impending contact caused by a receiver.​

When Gallup turns his route right into Gilmore, he has the right to protect himself against impending contact per the wording of the rule. He didn't push Gallup down. Gallup went down from what looked like not being prepared for Gilmore to hold his ground like Collinsworth said. Not illegal contact or PI in any way. Gilmore has as much right to the thrown ball as Gallup and can position himself as such, especially if you're going to try to run a route through him.

Don't agree. Gilmore did not use his hands and arms only to defend himself. He used them to initiate contact. He moved into the receiver. Illegal contact is not called if you establish a position and the receiver runs into you, even if you use your arms to protect yourself.

There was a similar play earlier this season where one of our DBs (I believe it was Brown) was penalized. He established position and the receiver turned upfield and ran into him. It was called because the defender initiated the contact even though he was holding his ground.

In both cases, the receiver wasn't given the opportunity to evade the defender because the defender struck them. Gallup actually tried to cut back in front of Gilmore, but Gilmore thrust himself into Gallup to cut him off. Thus, it is illegal contact. As per the rule you posted, "the defender cannot initiate contact with a receiver who is attempting to evade him." Then, look at the video, Gallup tries to cut under Gilmore, but Gilmore cuts him off from being able to do that with contact. Gallup was not trying to run over Gilmore, which is what would have given him the right to hold his ground.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Normally when a WR is running a route to the outside and the DB is playing outside technique, it's on the wide receiver to signal to the quarterback to change the route. That's why you always see WR pointing towards the defender that's covering him. He's telling the QB to take another look at this guy.
You don't throw an out route when the DB is playing outside technique. Gallup didn't point it out and Dak didn't see it. It's both their faults.

Learn football.

 

[MarcusRock]

Don't agree. Gilmore did not use his hands and arms only to defend himself. He used them to initiate contact. He moved into the receiver. Illegal contact is not called if you establish a position and the receiver runs into you, even if you use your arms to protect yourself.

There was a similar play earlier this season where one of our DBs was penalized. He established position and the receiver turned upfield and ran into him. It was called because the defender initiated the contact even though he was holding his ground.

In both cases, the receiver wasn't given the opportunity to evade the defender because the defender struck them. Gallup actually tried to cut back in front of Gilmore, but Gilmore thrust himself into Gallup to cut him off. Thus, it is illegal contact.

Initiate contact? You yourself said that Gilmore didn't extend his arms. That means Gallup was already up on him when he did contact him. Again, Gallup turned his route right into Gilmore. The two of them were separate before Gallup turned into him, were they not? That's called defending against impending contact per the rules when a guy runs into you of his own accord. Would Gallup have knocked into Gilmore if Gilmore didn't put up hands? Yes. Should Gilmore have taken a charge or is he allowed to jockey for position on a thrown ball?

Produce the video of the other occurrence.

A receiver isn't trying to "evade" a defender when he turns a route right into the guy's body. Lol. And again, the rules state if there's impending contact, the defender can use hands or arms. As you yourself noted, he didn't extend them and has as much right to the ball as Gallup. Gallup should have turned in sooner but he tried to head fake Gilmore and Gilmore didn't bite. The result was Gallup ran farther and then turned which drove him right into Gilmore. With the ball in the air, Gilmore doesn't have to move after being run into. He can establish his own position to make a play on the ball and did so. Gallup just couldn't outmuscle him.

 

[GRCowboy]

Stop semen-shielding for Prescott, OP