Stephen Jones: Cowboys don't see Pickens as a 2 WR

[CCBoy]

Stephen recently went public with the idea that he considers Pickens as a 1B, whatever that might mean to a fan, another executive or potentially, a player's negotiating representative. Whatever the effect might be on that individual is likely to affect Pickens' standing as a player.

Oh, I hear you...'you ain't going to taser ME!

 

[atlantacowboy]

Who cares who’s one and whose two? The point is that teams will have to keep their safeties back bc they can’t leave either in single coverage. Pickens makes Lambs life a whole lot easier.

 

[Bullflop]

Oh, I hear you...'you ain't going to taser ME!

I see it as a compliment to Pickens. He'll do all he can to prove himself. I hope he does.

 

[JoeKing]

It’s likely just an attempt to encourage him and make him feel good about the opportunity.

It’s not some master plan one way or the other.

The are already handling Pickens with kids gloves by not telling him he's WR2.

 

[Gambit]

If that's a quote from the article, what possibly did he say that has people so scared that Stephen gave away some super secret knowledge?

 

[Gambit]

Im just saying it doesn’t HELP negotiations, so why say anything at all?

Could it be about trying to convince everyone you know what you’re doing despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

Fun fact, nothing he said is going to hurt negotiations.

The agents job is to get the best deal he can for his players. If Pickens has an all pro season he's getting paid. Simple as that.

 

[Gambit]

Thank-you Stephen, I know how important it is to stress this point in Pickens contract year.

Do y'all really think such a benign statement is the breaking point in negotiations? It doesn't matter one iota. Not one.

 

[Gambit]

If Stephen really feels this way, extend Pickens right now. If he gets 1,000+ yards and 10 TDs, Pickens price goes up. If he helps the Cowboys make a deep playoff run, his price goes up.

When the Eagles traded for AJ Brown, they extended him shortly thereafter. Didn't have him worried about the stability of his next contract. Now look at him and the Eagles.

Hate the Eagles, but Howie > the Joneses.

Did you know that the player has to want to sign an extension? Like, he has to agree to it In this case the player has said he has no interest in signing one.

So compare us to whomever you want to, not all contract delays are on the Jones. Sometimes like this case, the player flat doesn't want to discuss it and frankly he's smart not to.

 

[Gambit]

Who cares who’s one and whose two? The point is that teams will have to keep their safeties back bc they can’t leave either in single coverage. Pickens makes Lambs life a whole lot easier.

Certainly not CD or Pickens.

 

[fivetwos]

Fun fact, nothing he said is going to hurt negotiations.

The agents job is to get the best deal he can for his players. If Pickens has an all pro season he's getting paid. Simple as that.

Another fun fact is that I didn’t say it would hurt, I said it doesnt help, and it was a question he could have either been more vague on or passed on entirely.

I do believe that their mouths hurt in the Dak negotiations by telling the entire fanbase that they will get him signed and they have never prepared for life without him, etc, etc.

Same thing with Elliott.

If your overall point is it’s not a huge factor in this case, I can agree with that….but it in no way HELPS, and my frustration stems from these two constantly running their mouths when not necessary. No other team operates that way, but I guess this is the only NFL FO that’s in it to be a celebrity.

 

[plasticman]

Do y'all really think such a benign statement is the breaking point in negotiations? It doesn't matter one iota. Not one.

You seem absolutely certain of that.

I'm skeptical. I think his agent will press every single positive expressed by anyone associated with the team.

Stephen said he considers Pickens to be a WR1B. Do you think his agent is going to let Stephen refer to Pickens as a WR2 during negotiations? You don't think that Stephen is going to use Lamb for leverage in contract talks with Pickens agent?

In these negotiations both parties will come out with extreme positions while listing every reason for their perspective. Some of the best ammunition for Pickens is Stephen's own words.

Maybe I'm not 100% sure like you are but why take chances?

That's the irony of it all for Jerry and Stephen. They are so committed to their marketing that they actively promote the idea that we received an elite player to the point that they are then forced to pay them as such or be criticized for their hypocrisy.

All I'm saying is that the Jones's would be better served by keeping their mouths shut and let the HC be the voice of the team like the vast majority of NFL teams.

NFL GMs don't like to discuss aspects of the team, they are typically very secretive, they don't want to give any information away that could possibly help another team. The NFL world of scouting and player acquisition can be very clandestine.

Do you believe the Jones's are unfairly criticized? Do you believe their 30 year record has earned the confidence of fans and is worth defending??

 

[Gambit]

I'm skeptical. I think his agent will press every single positive expressed by anyone associated with the team

His agent will try anything sure, but end of the day he'd say the same thing whether or not Stephen says anything at all, that's my point.

What if he doesn't produce at that level for whatever reason, would you be consistent and say Stephen would play uno reverse card, look we thought he was WR1b he wasn't so taken less?

Maybe I'm not 100% sure like you are but why take chances?

People say things all the time, Higgins set market for WR2 salary regardless of what Stephen said in May.

Do you believe the Jones's are unfairly criticized?

In many contract situations I do. We don't know what who said to who other than what's in media. Pickens has already stated he doesn't want to talk contract until next season, yet I'm seeing posters here already blaming the Jones for not getting a deal done sooner.

CD another example, publicly stated he wanted to 1 or 2 in money, Jefferson who has same agency held out as long as he could. People blame Jones. Both of these situations it's directly on the player not wanting to sign earlier.

Do you believe their 30 year record has earned the confidence of fans and is worth defending??

I'm not defending anyone, just pointing out that not every syllable uttered has this voluminous weight to it come contract time. The agent will want the best deal he will push for that regardless if Stephen said we view him as WR15c, not going to change agent asking for Huggins money.

 

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