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CowboysWillRise said:
Complete and total mismanagement. I gave our front office a ton of credit for last year. Now I will give them a ton of blame for this year. I had my reservations about losing so much of our defensive backfield in the offseason, but most said they sucked anyways. That doesn't mean you can replace veterans with a bunch of rookies and expect them all to perform. It was reckless and arrogant.
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turns out they dont suck and are top 10 DB rated when they are somewhere else...
 
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waldoputty said:
throws out nice blue square piece after:

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It is still pretty funny that there are fans who actually try to argue that the 2017 FA plan of the Cowboys actually wasn't that bad.
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Not getting legit depth at LB was a huge fail. Durant was an afterthought and they didn't sign him until July.

Paea was good when healthy and for 2M was a good signing.

Expecting Thorton to be the backup to Paea was a fail. They had him all of last season so they should have known not to rely on him.

Carroll was odd. He looked good in game 1 and horrible in the half he played in game 2. Did they really determine from that half of a game that he was not worth keeping as a backup OR was his release tied to the concussion. Is Carroll so bad that no team will sign him or is there an issue with his recovery from the concussion?

Thorton was a 2016 free agent but a much bigger fail than any of the 2017 free agents. He was really good against the Cowboys and Zack Martin in 2015. I don't know why he failed so badly with the Cowboys. Was it the decision to sign him or the coaching that failed?

DE Moore was a minimal cost stop gap.

Cooper has been decent.

I'm not that concerned about those fails specifically because the cost was not that much. They were nothing compared to the fail of signing Carr to a 50M contract.

My concern is their future ability to evaluate free agents, especially if they decide to spend significant money on one.
 
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xwalker said:
Not getting legit depth at LB was a huge fail. Durant was an afterthought and they didn't sign him until July.

Paea was good when healthy and for 2M was a good signing.

Expecting Thorton to be the backup to Paea was a fail. They had him all of last season so they should have known not to rely on him.

Carroll was odd. He looked good in game 1 and horrible in the half he played in game 2. Did they really determine from that half of a game that he was not worth keeping as a backup OR was his release tied to the concussion. Is Carroll so bad that no team will sign him or is there an issue with his recovery from the concussion?

Thorton was a 2016 free agent but a much bigger fail than any of the 2017 free agents. He was really good against the Cowboys and Zack Martin in 2015. I don't know why he failed so badly with the Cowboys. Was it the decision to sign him or the coaching that failed?

DE Moore was a minimal cost stop gap.

Cooper has been decent.

I'm not that concerned about those fails specifically because the cost was not that much. They were nothing compared to the fail of signing Carr to a 50M contract.

My concern is their future ability to evaluate free agents, especially if they decide to spend significant money on one.
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the fo made the big deal with saving money. however their moves wasted more money than they would have saved - e.g. signing the proven though non-exciting carr instead of carroll who no one was happy with.

paea was known to have injury issues and there are reasons why he was unsigned for so long.

thornton was a so-called big expenditure but averaged 4M/year. all these cost-saving moves ended up costing a significant part of the romo savings.

cooper was a good find - they seem to have OL fa's figured out. it is the defense that is the problem.

we should not be comparing to carr at 50M - carr was signed for an average of slightly less than 6M/year for 4 years. although you could have reduced to 2 or 3 years given the 4M signing bonus meant minimal dead money.

All these clever cost-saving moves are not working for the defense. they seem to get away it with the OL.

Actually the problem with these players may revolve around Marinelli's scheme making decent players look bad. As mentioned, our previous defensive backfield players are doing pretty well for others. given the amounts they signed for, they would have been bargains as Marinelli depressed their value.
 
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jjktkk said:
I'd have a hard time believing you wouldn't of crucified this FO for resigning Claiborne. Claiborne has been injury prone his whole career and is injured, yet again, this year.
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Everything is about price. If it was a reasonable one year deal I would have had no problem with it. I have been a supporter of the abilities of Claiborne. Injuries have been a major issue. But that is why you get the discount. When he is healthy he is a lockdown corner.
 
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xwalker said:
I'm not that concerned about those fails specifically because the cost was not that much. They were nothing compared to the fail of signing Carr to a 50M contract.

My concern is their future ability to evaluate free agents, especially if they decide to spend significant money on one.
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My concern is it won't be much different with a big FA signing than with a mid-round rookie.

Carr looked good in KC and he looks good in Baltimore. Maybe the Cowboys are the problem?
 
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