Stephen McGee?

[The Ominous]

The poll should be: Which quarter will Kitna get injured in against the Giants? Yeah, I think there is a huge chance we see McGee at some point this year.

 

[Randy White]

He didn't look like he was ready in pre-season. .

You mean when he beat the Miami Dolphins starters for 3 quarters in the only game he started ?

While that in itself does NOT prove he's ready, it's more than enough evidence to give him a chance to show IF he is.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Henson was in Europe by 2006. We only had 2 QBs on the roster that season.


Because I really don't care about winning games all that much as I do about developing players.

IMO, and again that's just what its worth, I don't think McGee is really ready to take the field in real games. He was drafted with a long term plan in mind and I'm not a fan of throwing QBs into the fire before they are ready and then making judgments based on how badly they burn.



See above. With QBs I prefer to put them on the field when they are ready to handle it, unless they are a stellar 1st round talent that can adjust to their lack of knowledge because of that talent (Aikman). McGee is neither at this point, and I don't think he has the skills to feed the ball to Dez which is all I really care about right now.

So getting the ball to Miles, RW, Witten et cetera, that doesn't matter?

 

[wileedog]

You mean when he beat the Miami Dolphins starters for 3 quarters in the only game he started ?

Refresh my memory, but why was Miami playing their starters for 3 Qs in the 4th preseason game?

Also, every other game but that one his YPA was under 6. That's someone not throwing the ball down field.

 

[wileedog]

So getting the ball to Miles, RW, Witten et cetera, that doesn't matter?

If my focus is on player development, and I think that Dez is the most important player to be ready to go next year with a healthy Romo, why do I care that McGee can throw 5 yard dumpoffs to Witten?

 

[Randy White]

According the beat writers, McGee had the nickname "Captain Checkdown" in pre-season, and nobody but nobody thought he was a threat to Kitna, much less anyone else.
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and then he went out and proved all those idiots WRONG.

This is not an audition for the next starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys. This is not a substitution that could mean a playoff spot. From now on, this is an audition for everyone on the football team and those with long term potential should be getting the snaps.

The Cowboys have a tremendous opportunity that very few talented teams as Dallas are afforded, mostly because, unlike Dallas, those teams are actually fighting for a playoff spot, but I digress, and they have to take advantage of it. They have, basically, 8 exibition games left, only unlike pre-season games, this ones are for real. Pay close attention to this and drill it in your mind:

There's no BETTER opportunity than regular season games to find out if your young players can play, need more time, are ready to take the next step, or should be cut loose and replaced with others. Since there are only 16 regular season games and most of the time this team is fighting for a playoff spot, this chance does not present itself every year. The only other time this happens is when the roster is bare of talent and the team is rebuilding, but tha'ts NOT the case right now. The Cowboys have nothing to lose, McGee has nothing to lose, but both could gain plenty.

 

[Randy White]

Refresh my memory, but why was Miami playing their starters for 3 Qs in the 4th preseason game?

Because they were sucking.. What's your point ?

Also, every other game but that one his YPA was under 6. That's someone not throwing the ball down field.

Because he was playing with players who are no longer on the roster, running for his life the second he got the ball. The minute he played with 2nd unit players, not even first unit, but 2nd unit players, and against NFL LEGITIMATE STARTERS, he proved all the idiots wrong.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

If my focus is on player development, and I think that Dez is the most important player to be ready to go next year with a healthy Romo, why do I care that McGee can throw 5 yard dumpoffs to Witten?

Maybe you get a young guy throwing to everyone? Maybe you paint this false portrait of McGee not being coachable by football Jeysus?

If Garrett can get a guy like McGee playing like a 2nd string back up, I'd be thrilled. I just want to see what he can do, and if he's all that (which I don't think he is).

 

[wileedog]

There's no BETTER opportunity than regular season games to find out if your young players can play, need more time, are ready to take the next step, or should be cut loose and replaced with others.

I would agree with you on every position but QB, and this just may be a personal opinion thing. I just think a QB has to have a basic level set before you throw him in and make judgments. And furthermore because he touches the ball every play he effects the development and evaluation of others.

Look I ain't gonna cry if they put McGee in, and I hear what you guys are saying. It just seems premature to me and I don't think it benefits Dez who is 20X more important than McGee.

 

[Randy White]

If my focus is on player development, and I think that Dez is the most important player to be ready to go next year with a healthy Romo, why do I care that McGee can throw 5 yard dumpoffs to Witten?

Wow...

Remove the blinders for 1 minute and open your mind.

Why would you care if your back up, developmental QB could play in the NFL ? Hummm, let me count the reasons:

1) To see if he actually can handle the duties and preparations of an NFL starter.

2) To see how he reacts to, and for him to experience, NFL starting defenses during the regular season who are actually game planning against him.

3) To see how he handles himself with the other starters and how those starters respond to him.

4) To see if he could take over your starting QB if he goes down to injuries again, or if you need to go out in the market and/or the draft and get someone who could.

5) To see if he could actually handle regular season game pressures.

Other than that ? Nnnaaaa.. who cares.. ?

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I would agree with you on every position but QB, and this just may be a personal opinion thing. I just think a QB has to have a basic level set before you throw him in and make judgments. And furthermore because he touches the ball every play he effects the development and evaluation of others.

Look I ain't gonna cry if they put McGee in, and I hear what you guys are saying. It just seems premature to me and I don't think it benefits Dez who is 20X more important than McGee.

IMO, Dez is the least of our worries.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Wow...

Remove the blinders for 1 minute and open your mind.

Why would you care if your back up, developmental QB could play in the NFL ? Hummm, let me count the reasons:

1) To see if he actually can handle the duties and preparations of an NFL starter.

2) To see how he reacts to, and for him to experience, NFL starting defenses during the regular season who are actually game planning against him.

3) To see how he handles himself with the other starters and how those starters respond to him.

4) To see if he could take over your starting QB if he goes down to injuries again, or if you need to go out in the market and/or the draft and get someone who could.

5) To see if he could actually handle regular season game pressures.

Other than that ? Nnnaaaa.. who cares.. ?

Good post. And I'm not piling on Wilee. He sees what we're saying; he just disagrees. That's why I asked for a poll. Hey, at least he makes sense. I disagree, but he makes sense. In the end, I think it makes sense for all the reasons you mention, as well as testing Garrett to see what kind of relationship he can develop with a young quarterback. And it can gauge his abilities to teach technique, reads, reading blockers, blitzes... the whole nine yards...to a young quarterback.

Basically, I think it would be a test for Garrett too. Because if he is to be our coach long-term, he should possess this attribute.

 

[Randy White]

I would agree with you on every position but QB, and this just may be a personal opinion thing. I just think a QB has to have a basic level set before you throw him in and make judgments. And furthermore because he touches the ball every play he effects the development and evaluation of others. Look I ain't gonna cry if they put McGee in, and I hear what you guys are saying. It just seems premature to me and I don't think it benefits Dez who is 20X more important than McGee.

Let me tell you something. Steve Pelluer threw to Michael Irvin. Steve Walsh threw to Michael Irvin. Babe Laufenberg threw to Michael Irvin. Steve Beuerlein threw to Michael Irvin. None of those guys were a hindrance to Michael Irvin's development whatsoever..

Dez Bryant is such a talent that, just like Michael Irvin, there isn't a QB in the NFL who's going to impede him from developing into the player he's going to develop into.

The last guy I'm worried about in terms of development is Dez Bryant. As a matter of fact, if there was a way in which I could put him in a bottle and save him until the first QB schools in the off-season, I would.

 

[wileedog]

Wow...

Remove the blinders for 1 minute and open your mind.

Why would you care if your back up, developmental QB could play in the NFL ? Hummm, let me count the reasons:

1) To see if he actually can handle the duties and preparations of an NFL starter.

2) To see how he reacts to, and for him to experience, NFL starting defenses during the regular season who are actually game planning against him.

3) To see how he handles himself with the other starters and how those starters respond to him.

4) To see if he could take over your starting QB if he goes down to injuries again, or if you need to go out in the market and/or the draft and get someone who could.

5) To see if he could actually handle regular season game pressures.

Other than that ? Nnnaaaa.. who cares.. ?

You're missing my point. Its not that I don't want to evaluate what he can do, its that I do not think he is ready to take the test.

I wouldn't give the SATs to my 8 year old daughter either and declare whether she is ready to go to Harvard or not.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

You're missing my point. Its not that I don't want to evaluate what he can do, its that I do not think he is ready to take the test.

I wouldn't give the SATs to my 8 year old daughter either and declare whether she is ready to go to Harvard or not.

Not quite the same thing. At this point, the league has determined there are roughly 100 people qualified to even hold a roster spot at this level. If you're talking about talent, per capita, like Harvard and SATs, then McGee already passed the test.

He's been hired to do a very important job.

 

[JackMagist]

I want to see how the team does under the new coach with a Vet that we have seen in action. Right now I'm more about evaluating how effective Garrett is than any individual player...especially a project like McGee. After three or four more games with Kitna then maybe we can give McGee a shot. But for now we have bigger fish to fry.

 

[wileedog]

Let me tell you something. Steve Pelluer threw to Michael Irvin. Steve Walsh threw to Michael Irvin. Babe Laufenberg threw to Michael Irvin. Steve Beuerlein threw to Michael Irvin. None of those guys were a hindrance to Michael Irvin's development whatsoever..

Dez Bryant is such a talent that, just like Michael Irvin, there isn't a QB in the NFL who's going to impede him from developing into the player he's going to develop.

Understood, but if Dez is 10% more ready to go next year with Kitna throwing him the ball than McGee, I start Kitna. McGee is an afterthought, and if Romo goes down again next year he's not taking us anywhere even if he gets the #2 spot.

Its more important to me Dez hits the ground running next year.

p.s. I'm all for getting him reps late in mop up time if/when that happens.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

How many would like to see him start and why? If any mod would like to turn this into a poll, I would appreciate it.

If Colt McCoy can start -- and succeed -- then it is fair that McGee be evaluated on the field, too. If McGee is horrible, or if shows promise, we need to know that soonest. And the best way is to see it is on the field.

Simple as that.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

If Colt McCoy can start -- and succeed -- then it is fair that McGee be evaluated on the field. If he is horrible or if shows promise, we need to know that soonest and the best way is to see it is on the field.

Simple as that.

Sup, gimme? :banjo: Dont chew be takin' no shot at my boy tea sip McCoy.

Understood, but if Dez is 10% more ready to go next year with Kitna throwing him the ball than McGee, I start Kitna. McGee is an afterthought, and if Romo goes down again next year he's not taking us anywhere even if he gets the #2 spot.

Its more important to me Dez hits the ground running next year.

p.s. I'm all for getting him reps late in mop up time if/when that happens.

If we lose v. the Giants, the rest of the season will be "mop up duty".

 

[Randy White]

You're missing my point. Its not that I don't want to evaluate what he can do, its that I do not think he is ready to take the test..

and that's the point that I'm arguing. He's MORE than ready to take the test. What else does he have to prove ? He's not going to start any pre-season games as long as TR is the starting QB, especially if they go down to 2 pre-season games, and even if he does all that's going to prove is exactly where he's at right now: that he could start and play well in pre-season games.

Then TR gets injured again, lord forbid, and the criticism is going to be: " all he's done is play in pre-season games. "..

By the way, you wouldn't put your 8 year old daughter through an SAT test, but you wouldn't keep her at home from school either because you don't think she's ready to attend school.