Stephen Peterman, a cast-off from Dallas, takes Woody's spot at right guard

[InmanRoshi]

If I recall...he got hur on an extra point or FG because Parcells said he got to high....what play are you talking about

We're talking about the same play. The previous injury you claim "weakened the knee" was a minor cramp in his calf. I'd like to hear your medical expertise on how exactly how a calf cramp structurally weakens knee ligaments. I think the knee injury on the field goal had more to do with the 330 lbs. offensive lineman that rolled into the back of his kneed with the 300 lbs. defensive lineman bended him straight backwards more than it had to do with a simple cramp.

Also, I'd also like to know what kind of team mentality you think you're building when your trench players miss entire series, quarters or games with a minor cramp.

Finally, I wish nothing but the best for Peterman, but before we liter the board with "rue the day posts", let's see him do something other than beat out one of the worst guards in the NFL for a starting spot for a team that leads the league in sacks. But it's kind of funny that the players that we're constantly ridiculed on this board as "Parcells pets" like Kenyon Coleman, Stephen Peterman and Scott Shanle are all starting elsewhere in the NFL, but the all time Parcells "rue the dayers" like Derek Ross, Drew Henson, Rob Pettiti and Antonio Bryant are all out of the league.

 

[AbeBeta]

all coaches/teams draft busts. why some people take it personal is beyond me.

You know, when I look at James Marten, I often wonder -- "what if Bill drafted this guy?" Here's a player getting a total pass on this board -- much like the pass he was giving defenders all pre-season.

If Bill were here, we'd read "another bust OL pick" instead we read "he just needs time to develop."

 

[AbeBeta]

I'd like to hear exactly how a calf cramp structurally weakens knee ligaments .

The calf bone is connected to the knee bone.

 

[Meat-O-Rama]

Maybe our version of Columbo?

Oh well ..... a fair trade.

My thoughts exactly. Sometimes the theam that drafts you feels pressure to get some return right away, if they aren't seeing it for whatever reason, they gotta let you walk.

Good for guys like him and Columbo who don't let it stop them.

 

[burmafrd]

Peterman had just not shown any reason for us to wait any longer. Maybe getting cut and having to worry about making a team and maybe getting a job outside of football was the motivating factor.

 

[theogt]

Good for him. I never understood why we cut him. It seemed like he was just one of those guys that got on Parcells bad side and that was all she wrote.

 

[burmafrd]

He showed nothing in camp. That was the final nail in his coffin here.

 

[AbeBeta]

Good for him. I never understood why we cut him. It seemed like he was just one of those guys that got on Parcells bad side and that was all she wrote.

Hmm. I'd always thought that BP liked him - he said some positive things about him when he left.

 

[theogt]

Hmm. I'd always thought that BP liked him - he said some positive things about him when he left.

I just never got that vibe.

 

[superpunk]

I agree. Parcells had this thing that if he thought a guy could play then he should play. I think he ruined a number of potentially good players by making them play before they were ready. He was also quick to give up on guys he didn't think were tough enough.

Maybe you could compile a list of these players that were ruined or whatever, and we can round them up and bring them back now that Satan has left town. We could call them the Parcells Ruination All Stars.

Or something...

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I agree. Parcells had this thing that if he thought a guy could play then he should play. I think he ruined a number of potentially good players by making them play before they were ready. He was also quick to give up on guys he didn't think were tough enough.

Phillips is letting the doctors & players decide when they are ready to come back and it is helping.

Like Romo? Or are you speaking of coming back from an injury to soon?

 

[iceberg]

I agree. Parcells had this thing that if he thought a guy could play then he should play. I think he ruined a number of potentially good players by making them play before they were ready. He was also quick to give up on guys he didn't think were tough enough.

Phillips is letting the doctors & players decide when they are ready to come back and it is helping.

i'm as big a parcells basher as you will find but this is just ignorance in motion. parcells was always "they won't play till they're ready of they give us the "best chance to win". and if a coach who pushes you makes you fail, you're NOT cut out for the NFL. period.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

i'm as big a parcells basher as you will find but this is just ignorance in motion. parcells was always "they won't play till they're ready of they give us the "best chance to win". and if a coach who pushes you makes you fail, you're NOT cut out for the NFL. period.

Say it aint so.

 

[ddh33]

So does Parcells start to get a little more credit with all of those people who acted like he couldn't pick a player?

Not only did he pick some guys off the trash heap who are now contributing in Dallas, most of his "busts" are helping out other teams.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Parcells seemed to like him at first (he even got a coveted comparison to a Giants Glory Days Player), but Bill seemed like he soured on him quickly when he couldn't come back from his injury fast enough. I'm sure Bill liked his attitude, but maybe he thought he'd never recover, or was just injury-prone.

I still scratched my head when we cut him to keep Cory Procter, though.

 

[iceberg]

So does Parcells start to get a little more credit with all of those people who acted like he couldn't pick a player?

Not only did he pick some guys off the trash heap who are now contributing in Dallas, most of his "busts" are helping out other teams.

the knock on parcells to me wasn't his evaluation of players but his motivation of them.

people that don't like parcells won't give him the credit that people who do will.

that's life and that's all there is to it.

 

[LeonDixson]

The calf bone is connected to the knee bone.

And the knee bone's connected to the thigh bone. I wish we had some musical note icons.

 

[dogunwo]

then again maybe he won't.

all coaches/teams draft busts. why some people take it personal is beyond me.

maybe Parcells gave up too quickly on Peterman, but Rogers was a bust. Parcells received good information from his scouts, and he ignored it, and drafted him anyway.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

maybe Parcells gave up too quickly on Peterman, but Rogers was a bust. Parcells received good information from his scouts, and he ignored it, and drafted him anyway.

Like many, many coaches do.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

the knock on parcells to me wasn't his evaluation of players but his motivation of them.

people that don't like parcells won't give him the credit that people who do will.

that's life and that's all there is to it.

Oh and like you are privy as to what went on in coaching meetings and how practice snaps were divvied up.

With Peterson he liked him at first and then he had a horrible knee injury and Parcells left him by the wayside. if he kept Proctor its pretty evident who was getting the snaps and when he came back from injury he was getting snaps with the third string. Motivation and evaluation go hand in hand.

Parcells made a lot of noise about not being an instant evaluator but then again he made a lot of noise about adapting schemes to fit players and we all know how well that went

Skyler Green was too cocky for Parcells tastes so he browbeat him to take him down a notch and then thought it would be a good idea to switch his position to RB in the middle of the season. Well when that evaluation didnt work out he cut him and now hes Cinci's starting returner and 4th WR.

Jacques Reeves starts a few games in 04 when Henry was injured. Played pretty decent but Parcells though t it better to start Henry who could barely run on that knee and keep playing Glenn with Reeves riding the pine and our pass defense crumbling.

I have an idea, lets move a rookie LB all over the field and hope that works out well.

With TO he thought it was a good idea tto line him out wide and ask him to run perimeter patterns over and over again when its obviously not his strength.


Yeah he evaluated the players well in those situations.

As far as Im concerened, Parcells did two things right. He created a culture at VR where hard work and accountability were the focus and he started
Romo.

in terms of how he schemed, evaluated and coached in general he wasnt very good. He hamstrung his assistants he consistently used the hard hand with players even when it wasnt appropriate. His pet cats on draft day were horrible.

i used to be a Parcells supporter but i guess i was just caught up in the mystique and still shell shocked from Dave Campo but after seeing how this team interacts and how it prepares and how it performs its really opened up my eyes.