Steve Patterson will be new AD for Texas

[ABQCOWBOY]

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Updated: November 5, 2013, 12:47 PM ET


The Texas Longhorns will hire Arizona State athletic director Steve Patterson to be the Longhorns' next AD, according to multiple reports.

Patterson, who held the same position at Arizona State, will formally replace DeLoss Dodds later this week.

 

[rkell87]

just saw this, not sure how I feel yet

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't love Patterson. I liked Luck much more but Patterson is a guy who is known for cleaning house. This might be more about Mack then it is about actually hiring a long term AD, don't know. Patterson knows how to shake up a program but I am not in love with some of the people he brought in at Az St. Although I will say this, Graham has done a nice job with the Sun Devils so far. I wonder............

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Woot...That means WVU keeps Luck. Which works for me.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Woot...That means WVU keeps Luck. Which works for me.

I'd be happy were I you as well Brain. However, don't get too comfortable. As I said, Patterson is a guy who is usually hired to clean house. He's not a guy who I see as a long term solution. Texas may still like Luck an awful lot. That would not surprise me at all. I know I like him a lot more then Patterson.

Don't know.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I'd be happy were I you as well Brain. However, don't get too comfortable. As I said, Patterson is a guy who is usually hired to clean house. He's not a guy who I see as a long term solution. Texas may still like Luck an awful lot. That would not surprise me at all. I know I like him a lot more then Patterson.

Don't know.

If they wanted a guy to clean house...That would have been Luck. One of the big things he did at WVU was break up some of the old groups that controlled WVU sports. He hired someone that had no WVU ties to be the next WVU coach (and many of the old guard want people with WVU or WV ties as the HC). He changed a great deal for WVU and much of it made him a man that some of the old guard did not like at all. Hence the problems we had with the IMG media rights deal where the old guard made a big stink of it.

Most of this you would not know unless you followed WVU. But either way, the point is that Ollie has done a great deal of what you are saying the reason they hired Patterson to do.

Now I am under no delusion that he will stay around for a long period of time. Heck word was he was the leading candidate at one time and we were set to Hire Oregon's AD to replace him (Oregons AD went to WVU).

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If they wanted a guy to clean house...That would have been Luck. One of the big things he did at WVU was break up some of the old groups that controlled WVU sports. He hired someone that had no WVU ties to be the next WVU coach (and many of the old guard want people with WVU or WV ties as the HC). He changed a great deal for WVU and much of it made him a man that some of the old guard did not like at all. Hence the problems we had with the IMG media rights deal where the old guard made a big stink of it.

Most of this you would not know unless you followed WVU. But either way, the point is that Ollie has done a great deal of what you are saying the reason they hired Patterson to do.

Now I am under no delusion that he will stay around for a long period of time. Heck word was he was the leading candidate at one time and we were set to Hire Oregon's AD to replace him (Oregons AD went to WVU).

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No, Patterson is specifically know for this in both the NBA and in College Athletics. It's kind his thing. I am shocked that Texas didn't go with Luck but if you are looking at Patterson as a short term deal, then it might make sense. If you like Luck, then you probably don't want him to be the guy who fires Mack because that's going to create a lot of problems with some very powerful boosters. Now, if you want a guy to come in and be the Turk, then that's Patterson. If you want a guy long term, then that might be Luck after the fact. Not saying this is what Texas is thinking but it would make a lot of sense IMO.

Graham is more interesting to me. He's pretty much won everywhere he goes, he's a Texas Boy, he knows the recruiting area and he has worked with Applewhite as his OC, while at Rice. He also knows Malzahn pretty well. I don't really like the guy. He was RichRods DC/LB coach at WV as well.

This could be interesting.

 

[TheCoolFan]

Todd Graham would not be a bad hire. He's not the home run hire that many Texas fans expect but realistically, you're probably not getting Saban, Meyer, etc. He is a good coach, the only questions surrounding him are his character and long-term commitment everywhere he goes. But this is the Texas job though, it doesn't get much better than that (unless it's the NFL but any coach would be foolish to leave that program for an NFL job IMO).

As for his character, as long as he wins then people will love him.

 

[jterrell]

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No, Patterson is specifically know for this in both the NBA and in College Athletics. It's kind his thing. I am shocked that Texas didn't go with Luck but if you are looking at Patterson as a short term deal, then it might make sense. If you like Luck, then you probably don't want him to be the guy who fires Mack because that's going to create a lot of problems with some very powerful boosters. Now, if you want a guy to come in and be the Turk, then that's Patterson. If you want a guy long term, then that might be Luck after the fact. Not saying this is what Texas is thinking but it would make a lot of sense IMO.

Graham is more interesting to me. He's pretty much won everywhere he goes, he's a Texas Boy, he knows the recruiting area and he has worked with Applewhite as his OC, while at Rice. He also knows Malzahn pretty well. I don't really like the guy. He was RichRods DC/LB coach at WV as well.

This could be interesting.

UT didn't hire Patterson for the short-term. The guy's resume is far more impressive than even Lucks.
He won an NBA Title, helped get Reliant Stadium built and bring the Super Bowl to Houston.

He has enormous ties in Texas.

The vast majority of ADs clean house. Patterson will approach it much the same as Luck would have which is why those two were the finalists.
I doubt Mack is around but again probably by his own hand.
He won't want to learn a new Boss' ways and all that when he can walk away with a fortune and a huge plot of land to retire to.
His advisory role salary would be well more than most folks make and he can get that for attending a couple events a year.

Patterson's mark will be felt in his hiring. It'd make zero sense for him to make hires then leave.

 

[jterrell]

Todd Graham would not be a bad hire. He's not the home run hire that many Texas fans expect but realistically, you're probably not getting Saban, Meyer, etc. He is a good coach, the only questions surrounding him are his character and long-term commitment everywhere he goes. But this is the Texas job though, it doesn't get much better than that (unless it's the NFL but any coach would be foolish to leave that program for an NFL job IMO).

As for his character, as long as he wins then people will love him.

Patterson will have an entirely different list of Coaches then he did at ASU. He is VERY unlikely to hire Graham.
If you want a soft character guy who wins the best option is Petrino.
He, at least, has really recruited Texas well.
Hiring a guy who hasn't proven he can recruit Texas would be pure lunacy.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

UT didn't hire Patterson for the short-term. The guy's resume is far more impressive than even Lucks.
He won an NBA Title, helped get Reliant Stadium built and bring the Super Bowl to Houston.

He has enormous ties in Texas.

The vast majority of ADs clean house. Patterson will approach it much the same as Luck would have which is why those two were the finalists.
I doubt Mack is around but again probably by his own hand.
He won't want to learn a new Boss' ways and all that when he can walk away with a fortune and a huge plot of land to retire to.
His advisory role salary would be well more than most folks make and he can get that for attending a couple events a year.

Patterson's mark will be felt in his hiring. It'd make zero sense for him to make hires then leave.

I guess we'll see.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Patterson will have an entirely different list of Coaches then he did at ASU. He is VERY unlikely to hire Graham.
If you want a soft character guy who wins the best option is Petrino.
He, at least, has really recruited Texas well.
Hiring a guy who hasn't proven he can recruit Texas would be pure lunacy.

I don't know if I would say that Graham can't recruit Texas, if that is what you are say here.

I mean, he's from Texas, he played HS ball here. He coached HS Football here, he coached at Tulsa and Rice and ASU recruits Texas as well. He would not be my choice but not because he has no connections in Texas.

 

[jterrell]

I don't know if I would say that Graham can't recruit Texas, if that is what you are say here.

I mean, he's from Texas, he played HS ball here. He coached HS Football here, he coached at Tulsa and Rice and ASU recruits Texas as well. He would not be my choice but not because he has no connections in Texas.

Graham hasn't proven he can recruit Texas. Tulsa didn't recruit well, Rice didn't recruit well and ASU is barely a blip on the radar here.
If UT gets Graham I will openly celebrate as a Texas Tech fan. Just about best case scenario for the rest of the conference if UT hires a mediocre Coach that's never won big or had a big-time program or had top 15 recruiting classes.
He's never topped 8 wins except at Tulsa where he ran Krapthorpe's spread offense once he left for greener pastures.

Graham's last job in Texas was 1 season in 2006. He's been out of State ever since.
He has more ties to Arizona having had a brief stint in the pros with the Cardinals.

He had one season as the Head Coach in Allen Texas which has turned into a powerhouse football program but well after Graham left.

 

[Aikbach]

Luck stays with WVU, McCaw stays with Baylor, everybody wins.

 

[jimmy40]

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No, Patterson is specifically know for this in both the NBA and in College Athletics. It's kind his thing. I am shocked that Texas didn't go with Luck but if you are looking at Patterson as a short term deal, then it might make sense. If you like Luck, then you probably don't want him to be the guy who fires Mack because that's going to create a lot of problems with some very powerful boosters. Now, if you want a guy to come in and be the Turk, then that's Patterson. If you want a guy long term, then that might be Luck after the fact. Not saying this is what Texas is thinking but it would make a lot of sense IMO.

Graham is more interesting to me. He's pretty much won everywhere he goes, he's a Texas Boy, he knows the recruiting area and he has worked with Applewhite as his OC, while at Rice. He also knows Malzahn pretty well. I don't really like the guy. He was RichRods DC/LB coach at WV as well.

This could be interesting.

I read that part of the agreement to let Patterson leave ASU was that he couldn't hire any ASU coaches to take with him.

 

[Aikbach]

I read that part of the agreement to let Patterson leave ASU was that he couldn't hire any ASU coaches to take with him.

It seems to be if Mack finishes at least 9-3 and goes to the Cotton Bowl, he'll be back.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Lot of talk about Patterson on the radio today. As JT suggested, he's a business guy. Apparently UT's first concern was keeping the #1 money machine in college athletics going. They said he'll hire a search committee to recommend the actual hires and go from there.

 

[jterrell]

It seems to be if Mack finishes at least 9-3 and goes to the Cotton Bowl, he'll be back.

No, he won't.
If Mack was coming back he and DeLoss would have spent another year together.
Mack will step down into a consultants role.
The letter by Sexton in January sealed that.

I think it VERY likely Nick Saban is named Coach at UT by January 10th of this year.
No one is more susceptible to being money whipped than Sexton.
And no one is more likely to overpay Saban to assuage egos than UT.

This guy could seriously get a 100m lifetime contract.
Even if UT goes 9-3 and gets to the Cotton Bowl Mack has damaged his recruiting brand mightily.
To the kids picking schools he's a dinosaur.
And without the recruiting he's a terrible Coach schematically.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Graham hasn't proven he can recruit Texas. Tulsa didn't recruit well, Rice didn't recruit well and ASU is barely a blip on the radar here.
If UT gets Graham I will openly celebrate as a Texas Tech fan. Just about best case scenario for the rest of the conference if UT hires a mediocre Coach that's never won big or had a big-time program or had top 15 recruiting classes.
He's never topped 8 wins except at Tulsa where he ran Krapthorpe's spread offense once he left for greener pastures.

Graham's last job in Texas was 1 season in 2006. He's been out of State ever since.
He has more ties to Arizona having had a brief stint in the pros with the Cardinals.

He had one season as the Head Coach in Allen Texas which has turned into a powerhouse football program but well after Graham left.

Tulsa recruited well enough to win there conference 3 out of 4 years and Rice recruited well enough to finish 2nd in their conference, all under Graham. You want to say he hasn't proven it, that's fine. I'm saying that based on his results, the proof doesn't support that argument.

 

[jterrell]

Tulsa recruited well enough to win there conference 3 out of 4 years and Rice recruited well enough to finish 2nd in their conference, all under Graham. You want to say he hasn't proven it, that's fine. I'm saying that based on his results, the proof doesn't support that argument.

No offense meant, but your argument is the one lacking logic.
Graham was at Rice for one season.
He recruited all of one 3-star player. It was not a top 50 class.

At Tulsa he took over for a very successful coach and kept that program going at a high level in a turd conference.
In 2007 he recruited four 3-star kids. But only 1 of those kids was from the state of Texas.
In 2008 he hauled in his first ever 4-star player. And added 4 more 3-stars. But again ftom Texas he only has two 3-star guys and only 5 of the 26 kids he signed were from Texas. .
In 2009 he had a top 50 class and his first ever 4-star Texas recruit. Unfortunately, he ONLY signed 2 other Texas kids period.
In 2010 he had 7 of 25 kids from Texas, no four-stars at all but over half the class was 3-stars.

At Pitt in 2011, only 3 kids from the state of Texas

At ASU in 2012 only 3 of 24.
ASU in 2013 only 4 of 25.

He has recruited TWO Texas kids that are ranked 4 star or higher in his entire head coaching career.
If you can not understand how this equates to him not being proven in recruiting Texas it is pointless to discuss anything with you.

Graham has won games because he knows how to coach. No one has questioned that.
But this isn't conference USA or the WAC or Big East.

He isn't gonna be the UT coach so it doesn't matter but I hope anyone who wanted him gets to be part of the search committee because they'll be bringing in the wrong guy for sure.